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    Beginner's Tool Kit? (Need Info ASAP)

    I'm purcahsing my 1st MTB & want some input on what to get as far as tools. I'm new to MTBs but an experience (BSA/Harley Davidson/dirt bike) biker.

    I will be exploring back country horse/ski/snowmobile trails as well as abandoned town roads & logging haul rods. I will most likely never be more than a few miles from a main road, but who wants to walk 2 miles while pushing a broken MTB?

    1: I like the idea of a mini pump better than CO2. How about this item?


    $17.99

    Product Information:

    XFactor Mini Alloy Pump
    Easy, portable sized pump for emergency inflation
    Dual expandable cylinders increase pump volume
    Bracket for attachment included


    2: Are Mini/multi tools that useful. I was considering this one.


    $19.99

    12 essential bicycle repair tools in one foldable package
    2mm-8mm Allen wrench, 8mm-10mm sockets, flat and Phillips screwdrivers
    Fits easily in your pocket or a seat pack.

    And of course I will also need:

    3: A spare tube (where to buy?)

    4: Tire spoons (where to buy?)

    5: Patch kit (where to buy?)

    6: Seat pack (where to buy?)


    What other items will I need? Spoke wrench? Chain repair links? Chain breaker?.

    I can get the pump & multitool W/the bike I'm ordering. If you have any suggestions please post a link to a retailer that has the item. I would like to keep all products (that I do not buy from the bike retailer) from the same retailer to avoid excessive shipping costs.

    Also, I have a well stocked garage but are there any tools that I will need that are not of the usual car repair variety for assembly of an online purchased bike?

    Thanks.

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    I recommend a Blackburn Mammoth mini pump. It's not gonna let you down. Many places blow them out for 9.99. Just google it. It's a great quality high volume pump that will inflate the tire fast every time.

    Second...you need a comprehensive good quality multi-tool. Not just a decent one. People will give you all sorts of advice here, but the type of remote riding you're planning should necessitate a tool with everything you need. I like the Specialized EMT with the chain breaker on it. I have a Park I-Beam for when I do local and urban stuff, but most of the time, the EMT is the one I pack.

    My tires fit tight. The tire levers on multi-tools can scar my rims. I like to pack two Oakley tire levers. My crappy bike doesn't need them b/c the tires go on easy by hand.

    I ALWAYS carry a derailleur hanger to fit my Komodo in my pack. If I ever snap the sucker, I've got an extra. B2B made alot of sense the other day when he suggested carrying an el'cheapo derailleur in the pack. The last time I broke my hanger, I also broke my cage...so the spare hanger was useless. A new RD is quick and easy to pop on there. I don't know if I'll follow that advice, but it's smart.

    As far as tools go...that's a decent list. Alot of people will carry cell phones, gps, pocket knives, goofy hand sanitizer (what???!!), first aid stuff, yada yada...

    I usually do a spare tube, my cell and pager b/c 80% of the time I ride "on-call" at work, water, and sometimes food depending on how long the ride.



    As far as "where to buy"?

    For the small stuff...give your local bike shop some love. If you're not gonna save $50...don't get it online. Snag a good tube and patch kit from the LBS.

    Regarding a seat bag...LBS is a good place...but think about a hydration pack to wear on your back. It helps to have the weight on your back when standing to pedal...that weight converts to torque on the pedals. A pack can hold more & you're gonna carry water anyhoo.

    Camelback MULE is excellent...I roll with a Dakine Drafter that I really like. I have a smaller Dakine Shuttle for shorter rides...but I find myself just grabbing the Drafter most of the time.






    I think the most important thing with MTB'ing is that you need to get good quality stuff. Don't buy a cheap hydration pack b/c it wall fall apart on the trail, or the bladder will leak water. Cheap multi-tools will round off, break, fail, mess up your bike. Cheap pumps just don't push any air...for some reason though...the Mammoth has been soooo inexpensive at times...it's a very good pump. Cheap tire levers will break. There are tire levers out there that have a steel or aluminum support rod in them...but for the most part those aren't needed outside DH/FR applications. Pedro's levers are beefy plastic that isn't brittle.





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    I have a Dakine Session and it has 100 oz bladder and plenty of room for a tube, patch kit, tire levers, mini pump, snacks, and phone/wallet whatever else you want to carry. Probably the best purchase I have made for mountain biking so far. +1 to ed LBS is a good place to get the small stuff: tube, patch kit, levers and then they know your face next time you need something.

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    Where to buy?
    LBS.

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    Where to buy hydration pack?
    I steer clear my LBS here, TP. I'm all for supporting the LBS, but mine is a little inflated when it comes to hydration systems. I would have been just fine with a Camelbak Mule or something...but I saved prob. $50-$75 going with the Dakine online.

    I got mine off Chainlove.com for a steal.

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    The tube, tire levers, and patch kit you can get anywhere because they're all pretty much the game. Make sure you get the right size tube and get the patches with glue rather than the sticker ones because they work better. I like Topeak's Morph pumps because they get air in fast and the little foot lever thing to stand on makes them super easy to use, but everyone seems to have a different favorite pump, and since I've never used that one you're showing, it could be fantastic for all I know. The Mountain Morph (my pump of choice) is a huge beast of a pump anyway, though that's probably why it pumps tires up so fast. Multitools are great. For big at home repairs, it's nice to have a set of allen wrenches, but they're handy on the trail. As long as it has enough allens, a flat, a phillips, and a chainbreaker, you're probably fine. I like the CrankBrothers tool, but I've heard it rusts easily in humid climates. If I had money to blow, I'd buy an Alien. The tool you have pictured is more than likely fine, though I might buy a cheap chainbreaker separately. Don't worry about the seat pack. Get a Camelbak instead.

    Other stuff you may want to pick up:
    Floor pump (the mini pump is great on the trail...but in the garage you want a floor pump)
    Chain lube (get something appropriate for the trail conditions you'll be riding)
    Pedal wrench (I use this all the time because I play musical pedals with my platforms and clipless. YMMV though, other people might never touch it)
    Spoke wrench (Nice to have, though ask your bike shop to show you how to use it, else you may be in for some frustration)
    Spare derailleur hanger (At some point, you WILL need this one)
    Extra chain links (Nice to have and not that expensive)

    Probably other stuff that I'm not thinking of...as you use the bike, you'll figure out what you need.

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    Hey, great responses so far.

    It's about 1 1/2 hour drive to the nearest "well stocked" LBS. I do have one nearby so I will check their limited stock 1st.

    I like the EMT Comp Multitool & the Blackburn pump. I'll probably have to do some online shopping for them. Anybody know od an online retailer that would have both?

    I already have a decent Wally World Outdoor Products "Morph" pack that I use for XC skiing. It has a hydration pack add-on available & even has a tube clip on the shoulder strap so I'll probably go that way. It is similar to the Dakine Session pack pictured in post #3

    I can't afford a GPS right now but I always print out topo maps of the area I ski/ride in & I learned to use a Silva map compass when I was 11 years old. Those 2 items are always in my pack.

    I always carry a pocket knife & cell phone everywhere I go.

    The Oakley tire spoons might be a problem but the tube & patch kit I can get locally. Lots have lots of experience patching bicycle tires as a kid & motorcycle tires as an adult, and yes I will get the glue type patch kit.. When I wear out the heavy wire bead tires that come on the bike I will probably opt to convert to tubeless when I go to a lighter arimid bead tire.

    Are those some sort of spoke sockets on the Oakly tire levers? Would a spoke wrench be handy to have on the trail? Of course it would be a manditory item in the shop. Any recommendations on a handy pocket size spoke wrench. I doubt the one I used onmy '64 Panhead Hog would fit bicycle spokes.

    Other things I carry in my pack. Space blanket, 4 AA cell Sreamlight LED flashlight, spare socks.

    AS far as a floor pump, I am a retired journeyman piefitter & I have adjustable regulated air in my garage so I can safely fill my bike tires @ home from shop air. I have complete sets of SAE & metric combination & racheting wrenches, SAE & metric hex key wrenches as well as SAE & sockets in 1/2" 3/8" & 1/4" drive. Also of course the assorted size cresent wrenches, channel locks, etc.

    Are there any other tools I will need to assemble the bike when it arrives? I saw in# torque wrenches on sale & Sears the other day. Should I pick up one of those? If so, what range would be most useful?

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    I used to have an AVENIR Pocket Max pump that was efficient and small. Don't know if they still make 'em. Ran around $20 I think. I'm on a Blackberry, otherwise I'd find a link. I know it was a great pump for a couple of years till it landed in a river. Worth a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    I used to have an AVENIR Pocket Max pump that was efficient and small. Don't know if they still make 'em. Ran around $20 I think. I'm on a Blackberry, otherwise I'd find a link. I know it was a great pump for a couple of years till it landed in a river. Worth a look.
    This is the only small Avenir pump I could find. It this it?

    $11.88 @ Amazon.com


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    I just carry a 1-pound dead-blow hammer. It fixes most of the things I screw up on the trail; plus the head hinges open to carry all the other stuff for those other, fussy little repairs:


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    Not quite, but it would be in the running for small. It looks like Avenir doesn't make the Pocket Max anymore. Any mini pump with good pressure (roadie) or a switchable pump like a shock/tire pump such as this (I have this one) are all good. If it holds pressure at high ranges, it's good. This one is about a foot long.

    P.S. The handle on this pump is a tire lever as well.
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    I don't know much XC, but what I know, I'll share. There are a few parts on a bicycle that have very specific torque ratings. Though I don't know what most of them are, I believe the bolts that clamp the stem on are generally between 5 and 7Nm (44 - 62 in-lbs). I would definitely have a torque wrench in this range if I could afford it.

    EDIT: Not for the trail though.
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    OP...the tire levers pictured were Pedro's. One end is a lip to pry with...the other end is a spoke-hook.


    The Specialized EMT Comp (I think) is only avail. at your local Specialiized dealer.
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    I went to the LBS today, & the pumps on hand where not suitable & where in the $35 range.

    They had some Crank Brothers & Pedros Multi Tools @ reasonable prices, just a few $$ more then online, but I just had to have the Topeak Alien II. I found it for $32.81 @ greenfishsports.com.

    26 tools including a chain breaker & mini pedal wrench.


    Greenfish also had a kick ass price on the Blackburn 2-stage Mini Pump @ $19.13



    I also ordered a Park Tool "Home Mechanic's" Pedal Wrench. @ $7.58, it's not worth grinding down a perfectly good 15mm combination wrench.


    The rest of the items I need they had @ prices pretty close to online so I will pick up a spare tube, (when I know what kind of valve the OEM tube has) Pedros tire levers, patch kit, etc. from the LBS.

    Thanks everyone for the help.
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    Most mid-upper end pedals have a 6mm(I believe) allen on the inside of the spindle. You can install with a 6mm allen wrench.



    Excellent deals on the Alien and Blackburn. I was looking at that particular upgraded version of the Mammoth...love the head and the red shaft...mine is still working perfectly though, so I just can't justify retiring it yet. Dang that innovation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post


    Excellent deals on the Alien and Blackburn. I was looking at that particular upgraded version of the Mammoth...love the head and the red shaft...mine is still working perfectly though, so I just can't justify retiring it yet. Dang that innovation!

    It seems that there is a new model Alien III that basicly has the same tools but a niftier body/case. The "new" model is around $55 so I will take the less "nifty" older model @ THE DISCOUNT PRICE.

    The Alien III has a little alien face on the outside when it is folded up & one can get the alien face in @ least 3 different colors.


    As far as the Mammoth mini pump "upgraded version"? I looked & looked for one that appeared the same as the example you pictured & of course I couldn't find it. I did a lot of investigation to make sure I was getting the exact same features as there are 3 different models that look exactly alike but each has different features.

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