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Old 06-08-10, 11:03 AM   #1
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Why isnt my bike good enough?

I've made my way from the ss/fixed forum to the road forum and now to mtb -- as I start each new kind of riding. I've gone through 5 bikes in the last 11 years, and now, bike number 1 is rotating back to the front of the stable -- my 1999 (?) Specialized Hardrock FS. After a few years of semi serious road biking, I decided to dust this baby off and hit the trails. Had a great time last night, and now I'm looking to upgrade -- but I need help justifying it.

10 years ago this bike was only like 500 bucks, so it was never anything super special. But it is solid. I hate the stem (can't flip it -- the fork is actually threaded, with an adapter and then this weird adjustable stem), and the shock isn't worth much, and the grip shifts are a bit awkward. Put on my eggbeaters, and a decent saddle, so I'm connected to the bike well.

Since I don't see any racing or even serious riding in the near future -- would upgrading to something at around the $1000 mark be worth it? Maybe a bit more on one of the Titanium Motobcanes from BD (my road bike is Ti and I love it). I'm doing mostly single track in the Philly area for now... so XC seems to be the target style.

Please help me justify an upgrade.... or not.

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Just buy the new bike that puppy is waaaay to old. If you are going spend around a grand and you are doing mostly single track I recomend something like this.

http://wheelworld.com/product/giant-...fx-58418-1.htm
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For me...it would be the geometry & long stem. Bleh.

Depends on the trail and intended riding style. Ride something slack and see how much fun it can be.
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I have almost the same bike (same frame but LX components and a threadless stem with Manitou fork) which I bought recently on craigslist for $60 and then fixed it up with another $60 or so. It gets the job done on any trail which would be considered an XC trail. However, if getting a nicer bike inspires you to ride more or harder, or you're worried that the old rust bucket is going to break on any bump, and you have the expendable income, that's reason enough!
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I have almost the same bike (
I saw your bike posted in a previous thread. When I got mine new -- my best friend got yours -- I was so jealous. Blew all the expendable income on the roadie a few months ago I think you're right, this one can get the job done.... but you hit the nail on the head about it breaking. For the first few miles last night, it squeaked like woah (even after a moderate home tune up). It eventually seemed to settle down and all the squeaks went away -- but I def had some second thoughts about bombing down a few of the steeper trails (not that it stopped me ) I think I may just ride this into the ground -- almost isnt worth buying a new drive chain for this one, when I inevitably kill it.

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Depends on the trail and intended riding style. Ride something slack and see how much fun it can be.
What do you mean by "slack" -- I'm still not even sure about MTB fit -- im just basing it off of my road bikes. The stem blows... but until I swap the fork -- or get a new converter and a new stem... I'm stuck.


That Giant is soooo tempting.


PS... if it isnt obvious, dont tell my bike about this thread.. I dont think it'd be very happy.
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I think "slack" means a more relaxed seat tube and higher bars like on an "all mountain" or "freeride" bike. I like both climbing and descending, but I'd rather be able to climb fast than descend fast. Therefore, I prefer XC bikes with the steeper seat tube.
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Our economic system depends on us getting dissatisfied and needing something new. Many of the improvements in the past 11 years are quality. That is a good looking ride, CraigsList it and put that money down on

http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc-hardtail/nitro/

or spluge and get this

http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/...tail/fireball/
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It could be a whole lot worse. I just got into mountain biking after 27+ years of road riding. I borrowed my dad's Klein Pulse Comp for the month of May to get ready for a 24 hr race. Now I need to sell a road bike or two to get the cash to locate a decent used mountain bike. I'm not a racer and there isn't a lot of single track around here - mostly logging roads. So, for now I'm stuck with this - '87 Trek 800 Antelope that weighs about 30 lbs. Let's hear the laughter - it's ugly, yet functional and all original. I'd love to get ride of the stem, bars, saddle, change the components etc. but this was a $20 bike. I'll bide my time and wait for the right one - not much justifying needed on my part.

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I think "slack" means a more relaxed seat tube and higher bars like on an "all mountain" or "freeride" bike.
It's usually more in reference to the more-important consideration of head tube angle; but slacker seat tube angles often accompany that.
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It's usually more in reference to the more-important consideration of head tube angle; but slacker seat tube angles often accompany that.
Ahh, thanks for clarifying.
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It could be a whole lot worse. I just got into mountain biking after 27+ years of road riding. I borrowed my dad's Klein Pulse Comp for the month of May to get ready for a 24 hr race. Now I need to sell a road bike or two to get the cash to locate a decent used mountain bike. I'm not a racer and there isn't a lot of single track around here - mostly logging roads. So, for now I'm stuck with this - '87 Trek 800 Antelope that weighs about 30 lbs. Let's hear the laughter - it's ugly, yet functional and all original. I'd love to get ride of the stem, bars, saddle, change the components etc. but this was a $20 bike. I'll bide my time and wait for the right one - not much justifying needed on my part.

If I could ride by scenery like that I would ride a 35 pound bike.
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It could be a whole lot worse. I just got into mountain biking after 27+ years of road riding. I borrowed my dad's Klein Pulse Comp for the month of May to get ready for a 24 hr race. Now I need to sell a road bike or two to get the cash to locate a decent used mountain bike. I'm not a racer and there isn't a lot of single track around here - mostly logging roads. So, for now I'm stuck with this - '87 Trek 800 Antelope that weighs about 30 lbs. Let's hear the laughter - it's ugly, yet functional and all original. I'd love to get ride of the stem, bars, saddle, change the components etc. but this was a $20 bike. I'll bide my time and wait for the right one - not much justifying needed on my part.

You are obviously a man of character. We are not use to that around here! Usuall we get resposes like eww I cant ride that it's a piece of s**t. I can't be seen on that, people will laugh at me
But you know it's all about the ride and the experience. Now that is refreshing.......
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You are obviously a man of character. We are not use to that around here! Usuall we get resposes like eww I cant ride that it's a piece of s**t. I can't be seen on that, people will laugh at me
But you know it's all about the ride and the experience. Now that is refreshing.......
Thank you for the compliment. I got into the C&V road bike thing a couple of years ago and now mountain biking. I'm old enough now not to care what people think of my bikes or the clothes I wear while riding. I'm out there for my fitness, health and the pure joy of being able to go somewhere under my own power. My primary road bikes are "old school" French Gitane's (1984) with downtube friction shifting and a 77 or 78 Peugeot PX10. My "newest" road bike with brifters, etc. will be sold.

I just hate to see someone make a snap decision to get rid of a bike that may be perfectly fine for them with some minor upgrades or a tune up. So much in our society has become disposable. I have no problems buying a used bike vs. brand new because I can have more bikes for the same amount of money. Heck, the local bike shop owner has given up trying to sell me a new one.

So, I guess my point to the OP would be to ride your "old" bike some more and then determine do you really need a new one for the type of riding you're doing. Are you still enjoying the bike as is or would a couple of upgrades make a bigger impact - you can do a lot to an old bike for the price of a new one. Just my personal philosophy.
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Not to rob from this thread....but I have a 1999 Marin Palisades Trail that I recently tuned up and replaced the tires/tubes on...and I have been having a blast pedaling around town and on some local trails.
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Is that a 1" threaded fork/headset? If so I wouldn't bother upgrading it (because you won't be able to get a good suspension fork with a 1" steerer, they don't make them any more). Even if it's 1.125" a new fork and stem and shifters/drivetrain might compete with a new hardtail price. For $1000 I would avoid an fs bike, though, the quality of the suspension and components at that pricepoint isn't very good. Just ride it into the ground while you save up...
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I have the same bike (2000 Specialized hardrock) in black & silver. Is it old? yes. Will it hold you back? No. It is a solid bike. As a matter of fact, I just did an adventure race on mine back in April and it performed great. I also own a newer Stumpy FSR & have yet to get rid of this "antique". It's a great old steel hard tail that fits me well & has taken much abuse over the years with out problems. Newer is always nice, but this bike won't prohibit you from anything. You just have to deem if it's worth the money for upgrades. Fork is threaded 1 1/8 by the way, so you can go to a newer / better fork. If you hate the stem, get a threadless adapter & put on what neck you want.
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