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    Centerlock vs 6 bolt hubs and advatages?

    why did shimano go with centerlock disks /hubs. Is there any advantages over the 6 bolt disks?

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    To make it proprietary

    1 - Ease of use. Torq bolts suck monkey parts
    2 - I believe it saves weight

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    "Ease of use. Torq bolts suck monkey parts"
    So your saying the centerline brakes easier to use? Do they have any bolts are do they just slide and are able to slide around while you ride?

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    So ****mano can get more money by making something propriatary....why else? Torx bolts rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by crgowo
    why did shimano go with centerlock disks /hubs. Is there any advantages over the 6 bolt disks?
    Because Shimano is trying to be like Microsoft. But unlike in the computer business. There are dozens of other better companies.

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    Hey,
    I own a set of the new XT centerlocks. The rotors actually slide onto the hub via a spline and then get secured by a cassette style lockring. Super easy to install, just need a lockring tool. They center over the hub much better and yes, they are a little lighter. The only problem I can see is that your stuck with less options on rotors for the time being. A company does make an adapter but save your money, they suck! I see this becoming industry standard in the future. Just like ISIS is now going that way.

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    Even I have to admit the idea is sound. (As opposed to Shimano's making everything uber-proprietory as I am) A pity that that Hope hasn't produced a rotor to fit it in their "Gothic" series.

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    I see alot of people bagging on the big S for being Prorietary. You gotta be kidding me! Just because something is integrated to work well with each other, doesn't make it proprietary! Give me one thing that Shimano makes that someone else doesn't have a copy or adapter to. I agree there are better prducts for certain things but let's just see who sticks around to warranty that part!

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    Quote Originally Posted by namaste1978
    I see alot of people bagging on the big S for being Prorietary. You gotta be kidding me! Just because something is integrated to work well with each other, doesn't make it proprietary! Give me one thing that Shimano makes that someone else doesn't have a copy or adapter to. I agree there are better prducts for certain things but let's just see who sticks around to warranty that part!
    There are excellent alternatives to Shi*No products. SRAM is just one. There's a dozen other companies out there with better stuff and better warantees than Shi*No. Blindly following the Microsoft of the bike world isn't a good thing.

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    Fine..you are correct...good idea. But open source the idea like isis. To close the source drives up costs. (heck I hate shimano stuff but give props to their new cranks/bb and the braking, otherwise there stuff sucks) If they opened up the idea other companies could create a standard. Until that happens I buy standard stuff...not proprietary.

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    Man, angry shimano haters in here! What do you guys hate about shimano? SRAM's a huge a#@ corp too man, big as sh$%, they bought Rock Shox and Avid for crying out loud! It is good to see other company's like SRAM trying to build good stuff. I love that, and I'd support a local inde. builder in a heartbeat, as long as the products solid,no matter the cost! But to say Shimano stuff is crap is bullsh$#! If components are adjusted properly and maintained, they will last a long time.

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    I think I explained why I don't like shimano. If you have any other questions do a search under my name and for saint. My views have been displayed in an endless fashion in many many many debates over the past 2 years. While some of my views have changed (I love the brakes (excpet they use a proprietary system to mount a rotor) and I think the outboard bearings on the bb are impressive) some of them have not (flippy shifters on a freeride bike prove shimano doesn't ask riders what they want but bullies oem builders into CRAP)...I despise companies that build for a specific market and don't look at the riders but the $$$$$. That pisses me off. And freaking rapid rise....AHHHHH ok..I gotta shut up...

    I have no issues with corporate responsibility or dominating amarket...that matters very little to me.

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    The freeride market is so small though. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't know what to do without some freeriding in my week so that's not the issue. Just look at the big picture and look at what they've offered over the years! They didn't get to where there at because they build crap, it's becaue they are willing and have the ability to try new designs. Your view of the Saint group is solid! I agree 100 percent, hands down too ya but it's bs to say the entire company and everything they make sucks! For the love of God, get over the fact that Saint sucks! Who cares???? Just don't buy it...........

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    I agree...but they made a freeride gruppo...should it not be made for the freeriders?

    I agree...but I think you are taking "shimano sucks" too seriously. In my view it does to my riding. If shimano came out with an internally geared dh hub with non rapid rise RAPID FIRE shifters I would say "shimano is awesome"...but inmy little world. Shimano is failing miserably at offering what riders want ...its an internet thing. I said the sameabout marzocchi in 2002 when they had djer forks that weren't allowed to be djed and were breaking left and right...marz does not suck

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    I've purchased the last Shi*No driveline I'll ever willingly purchase. My trailbike is equpped with Shimano's XT M750 shifters and derailieurs. (pre- Rapid Rise) I don't like the new rapid rise crap. I don't like how it feels, I don't like the flippy levers either. Once stuff starts wearing out / breaking it will be replaced by SRAM equipment. As for any future bike builds I'll be undertaking (in the MTB arena) I'll be looking towards all SRAM stuff.

    If they did away with the Rapid rise and went back to triggers I'd reconsider

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    ****, I'd buy ya beer if I could!

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    You too Raiyn.....

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    BTW welcome to the forums. I don't get into the introduction section often so Idon't always say hi. But cheers. Good first set of posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by namaste1978
    You too Raiyn.....
    I'd take you up on that. You seem like a good guy. Just remember people have reasons for liking / disliking things

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    yea thanks,
    New to this whole forum thing........as you can tell!
    Kokanee's for both of ya....

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    Hmmm kokanee....you know "the beer out here"! I respect you even more

    If you ever get up here for a ride (we do have tonnes of xc not just DH) we should hook up for a Kokanee

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    That's funny!
    Yep, Kokanee and my Dekerf, my two glorious claims to Canadian fame!
    Well I guess I better stop replying to this thread. The original dude is probably getting pissed at reading this! Sorry original guy........

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