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Old 03-19-11, 03:36 PM   #1
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Tire Liners?

Being the relative newbie to the MTB world of fun, I'm always learning about different ways of accomplishing the same task.

Today's lesson at the bike shop was about puncture protection. I'm now aware that it's possible to huck these overly heavy "puncture proof" tubes, go back to a nice lightweight tube, and use what I was told are "tire liners."

I already feel dumb after explaining my lack of knowledge, but eh oh well...what's up with the liners guys?

Do you run em? Are there better/worse liners to go with? The bike shop had a set of spinskinz for around $40...enough for 2 tires I spose.

Just thought of something else...should I go with a tubeless setup instead of the liners?

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Old 03-19-11, 07:57 PM   #2
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IMO, a tubeless setup is better. I use the liners on my commuter bike for around town, and they for sure alter the way things roll and how the pressure affects things. I can notice it on pavement, and don't imagine it would be a benefit on trail.

Lots of goat heads? What's the deal? Tubeless setup, DH tubes, DH tires, liners - lots of options. But unless you are having a lot of punctures, I'd not worry too much about it.
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I just try to watch what's in front of me(which usually works) and if not, I have some patches, levers, and a pump in my pack. Oh yeah, I also keep some dollar bills with me, in case I need a tire boot.
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Yep. Goat heads...puncture vines. Blah.

It doesn't sounds like liners are the way to go. I might just keep some patches with me, and run lighter tubes anyway.

These Kenda rubbers are pretty beefy....should help. Hmm.
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Yeah, I live in NW Washington, our terrain is a little greener and softer than yours. There is some also some goop you can put in tires that are supposed to fix punctures instantly but I've never tried it.
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i run tubeless and like it for various reasons, one of them being i have not had a flat since i had them (except the one time when my stan's went dry, 100% my fault).

tire liners help. so does putting stan's or true goo in your tubes. thing is, no matter what you do, flats will happen, it's just a matter of when.
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Tubeless is the way to go. I am currently running wadester's secret sauce instead of the stan's sealant. 1 part latex mold builder(16oz. jars at hobby lobby), 2 parts automotive Slime(the kind with chunks), 2 parts water. You end up with 80 oz. for a little less than the cost of a quart of stan's. Doesn't booger up or dry out as fast, either. I am running a non tubeless rim sealed with gorilla tape and non tubeless tire(maxxis ignitor 29er) Cheers!
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Tire liners are cheap and work well. I like 'em. I've seen guys make "redneck" liners simply by lining the inside of the tire with duct tape. Just thick enough to keep out goat heads.

I don't like slime tubes, they annoy me when topping off air, you have the sticky valve to deal with.
I don't like tubeless only because there's still chance of getting flat on a trail and then what do you do? Answer: get out a spare tube. Might as well just go tubed and carry spare anyways.
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I use old tubes as tire liners (tip I picked up here). I cut up a 29er tube, remove the stem, flatten it out, and lay it in the tire before mounting.

That duct tape method sounds interesting. If I have a problem with thorns I'll try that.
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I don't like tubeless only because there's still chance of getting flat on a trail and then what do you do? Answer: get out a spare tube. Might as well just go tubed and carry spare anyways.
Spoken like someone who has no experience running tubeless. Whatever you can manage, I guess.
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I run Mr. Tuffys in all my clincher tires. After installation and running with overlap for a while, I yank 'em out and cut them to length then soften the fresh cut edge by sanding it. Flats are exceedingly rare, even for the year and a half when I worked next door to the glass recycling plant.

When I lived in AZ's goathead country I ran Slime. That worked well for me too. Slime has some special requirements - always let your tires sit with the valve stem at 12 o'clock for a half hour before inflating or deflating tires and squeeze all the slime away from big gashes before patching. Also with big gashes you might have a mess but it's easily cleaned with soap and water.
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Spoken like someone who has no experience running tubeless. Whatever you can manage, I guess.
I have run "ghetto" tubeless .. and have had flats .. and then have to replace with a tube (couldn't reseal it, what a pain) ...
unless someone can show me tubeless set that is bulletproof, I see no reason to ditch the tubes.....
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I have run "ghetto" tubeless .. and have had flats .. and then have to replace with a tube (couldn't reseal it, what a pain) ...
unless someone can show me tubeless set that is bulletproof, I see no reason to ditch the tubes.....
I suppose that could sour one's tubeless opinion, but can you show me a tubed set-up that is bulletproof (and weighs the same as 2 oz. of sealant)? Seriously.
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Tubeless is the ideal way to go, but it requires periodic maintenance. If you insist on using tire liners...I highly recommend Panasonic Flat Away tire liners. They are the lightest, most easiest on your inner tube and will even deflect a nail. I have tried Mr. Tuffy, Lizard Skins and the Panasonic liner feels like almost nothing, compared to the other two. Here is where to get them:

http://www.biketiresdirect.com/produ...way-tire-liner
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Tubeless is the ideal way to go, but it requires periodic maintenance. If you insist on using tire liners...I highly recommend Panasonic Flat Away tire liners. They are the lightest, most easiest on your inner tube and will even deflect a nail. I have tried Mr. Tuffy, Lizard Skins and the Panasonic liner feels like almost nothing, compared to the other two. Here is where to get them:

http://www.biketiresdirect.com/produ...way-tire-liner
I am skeptical about them actually deflecting a nail, but I suppose there could be a few variables to consider in that statement.

I'll check these out, as I'm ready to ditch these heavy puncture-proof tubes.
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I've had Mr. Tuffys deflect nails, but yeah, incidence angle has a lot to do with deflection capabilities.
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I've had Mr. Tuffys deflect nails, but yeah, incidence angle has a lot to do with deflection capabilities.
Good to know. Lester O Puppets...care to recommend a nice lightweight tube to pair up with these liners?
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I just run the el cheepo Cheng Shins from pricepoint.com. They're like $2.50 or so shipped if you buy 5 at a time.
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I just run the el cheepo Cheng Shins from pricepoint.com. They're like $2.50 or so shipped if you buy 5 at a time.
good to know. thanks.
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I don't think they're particularly light weight, though.
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I run kevlar liners in my mountian bikes, not my roadies. I bought them so long ago (98?) I dont remember what brand they are.
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I suppose that could sour one's tubeless opinion, but can you show me a tubed set-up that is bulletproof (and weighs the same as 2 oz. of sealant)? Seriously.
I guess that was my point - nothing is bulletproof. Thus, with tubeless, you have you have to carry spare tubes AND sealant AND deal with the maintenance.
With a tubed setup, I just carry a spare tube that I can swap out in about 5 minutes.

If I really thought there was much better chance,as the tubeless-loyal have attested but I personally haven't witnessed, that tubeless was that much better at resisting flats, I would switch.
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We have goat head country here.

Tubeless is the way to go.

you can get small puncture after small puncture and be fine. Say by chance you get a flat (which very rarely have i seen) you throw in a tube and you are good to go again!

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This is my opinion, Tire liners help but depending on terrain dont help enough...

switched to tubeless and this has been a thing of the past (this is my little stock pile)

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