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Old 10-31-04, 05:04 AM   #1
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X-9 vs XT

I'm debating on upgrading my Deore components to something a little nicer and smoother shifting. I've been eyeballing the new SRAM stuff and it looks incredibly sweet. I don't see much point in splurging on X.0 or XTR stuff as it doesn't seem to offer that much more performance for the huge price difference. Needless to say, I'd like to hear some opinions on quickness of shifts between the two and what the overall pros & cons of each system are. Also, on the SRAM side, I can't decide whether I like the trigger shifters or the twist shifters. I'm not a huge fan of the Deore thumb shifters but that's not to say I'll dislike all trigger shifters.
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The Sram stuff is nice but also expensive. I'm sure the XT components will work smoother then the Deore.
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I'm debating on upgrading my Deore components to something a little nicer and smoother shifting. I've been eyeballing the new SRAM stuff and it looks incredibly sweet. I don't see much point in splurging on X.0 or XTR stuff as it doesn't seem to offer that much more performance for the huge price difference. Needless to say, I'd like to hear some opinions on quickness of shifts between the two and what the overall pros & cons of each system are. Also, on the SRAM side, I can't decide whether I like the trigger shifters or the twist shifters. I'm not a huge fan of the Deore thumb shifters but that's not to say I'll dislike all trigger shifters.
I have XT shifters w/ XTR derailure. This combo shifts like a dream and keeps the chain tension tight under all conditions. I fell over the other day because the front end washed out on me, got up, the chain was still on properly. Never really used SRAM stuff, but I'm sold on the trigger shifter idea.

Why dont you just get a XT rear derailure and then figure out if you need the shifters as well???
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I use x.7 which imo is equal to the XT. Very nice and, I think, crisper shifting. The 1 to 1 ratio feels smoother. It was worthwhile for me.

But I did originally do the deore to xt upgrade. Nice setup and fairly smooth. I just found the shimano deraileur mort sensative to banging and bumping (so far) which would derail how well it worked.
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I'm really liking my X.7.
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My X.9 is awesome, go with the SRAM, I'm actually considering selling my X.9 derrailauer and shifters, so PM me if you interested(I'm going SS)
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I've noticed that the Deore stuff has really weak spring tension, seeing as how I threw the chain from the middle ring over the top ring jumping a curb and threw it off to the inside coming down a small dirt slope then off a 6 inch drop. Oddly, my last bike had a STX-RC rear derailleur and I never had such problems. It's not exactly the slickest or quickest shifting stuff on earth either. I think I'm about to go to a couple of the bike shops and just ride bikes with both component sets and see which I like better. I just can't think of any right off-hand that are spec'd with X-9 stuff.
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I've noticed that the Deore stuff has really weak spring tension, seeing as how I threw the chain from the middle ring over the top ring jumping a curb and threw it off to the inside coming down a small dirt slope then off a 6 inch drop. Oddly, my last bike had a STX-RC rear derailleur and I never had such problems. It's not exactly the slickest or quickest shifting stuff on earth either. I think I'm about to go to a couple of the bike shops and just ride bikes with both component sets and see which I like better. I just can't think of any right off-hand that are spec'd with X-9 stuff.
sounds more like a tune up issue then a "let's spend $200 and replace something" issue.
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Perhaps so... but I feel like spending $200 and replacing something. sue me!
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X.7 is workin really well for me. The shifting is super solid and the derailluer is super tough, and rarely needs to be adjusted.
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I use last generation XT on my trail bike and when it goes (or I get bored whichever comes first) I'm switching to SRAM X-9. I can't stand Shi*No's new "Rapid Rise" system. the only thing that should be rapid rise is yeast.
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I like my alivio. LOL.
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I have noticed no difference between x7 and x9. BOth work wonderfully, and are more cost effecient when compared to shimano. THe 1:1 thing is nice though. Theres some video on angry asian.com comparing the derailleurs....
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I had a 2001 XTR derailleur on one of my older bikes and liked it quite a bit. I don't really see why rapid rise is such a bad thing.. seems like it'd make going up the cogs faster and more precise. Perhaps I'm wrong.
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I had a 2001 XTR derailleur on one of my older bikes and liked it quite a bit. I don't really see why rapid rise is such a bad thing.. seems like it'd make going up the cogs faster and more precise. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Except for the fact that EVERYTHING else is high normal as opposed to the new low normal Shi*No stuff. Prior to this "innovation" the only thing they had that was "rapid rise" was a real POS derailieur on the level of the stuff on Walmart bikes.
That plus the fact that I HATE those flippy levers Shi*No is pushing these days.
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im too poor to upgrade from my crappy altus but if i did id probably get x.7 srams cause i hear good things and they are as hella expensive as the x.9
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I tested Sh*tNo's STI style brake/shifter and dropping off of a curb with my hand on the brake prompted a shift. Piece Of Sh*t.
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That would seriously be annoying as all hell.. That was one of my major concerns with the dual control levers.
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That was the one comment I made...I was like every time I'm going to brake I'll end up shifting gears. That would annoy me
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I think the issue isn't so much pulling back and accidentally shifting.. it's having your hands on the brake levers and hiting a large drop or bump and shifting unintentionally... That's the issue I'd have.
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That's the issue I have with them.
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a bit off topic here but I was just looking at the shimano site, and there is a link there that led to this product line - http://www.ridesaint.com/

never seen that stuff - is it any good? looks geared (what a pun!) towards freeride/northshore types.

AND good god....what in the world are these??

http://www.smover.com/publish/conten...n/smovers.html

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a bit off topic here but I was just looking at the shimano site, and there is a link there that led to this product line - http://www.ridesaint.com/

never seen that stuff - is it any good? looks geared (what a pun!) towards freeride/northshore types.

AND good god....what in the world are these??

http://www.smover.com/publish/conten...n/smovers.html

experts enlighten us.

Saint is the "freeride group" I have no real opinion on it due to the fact that in order to use the rear derailieur you HAVE to use the Saint hub. Other companies offer equivelent produts for the rest of the group.
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A Smover is a new and innovative style of bicycle, specially developed to create an easy and comfortable style of cycling using the latest in human engineering, frame development and Shimano component technology with integrated electronic control. Smover does offer a special ergonomic design of the frame and all related products and uses the latest technology together with a smart and efficient supply to offer a simple and worry free handling and function for an enjoyable ride.
Looks like a test bed for some of there new stuff built into a comfort / commuter style. I'm not cool with the electronic auto shift stuff but the electronic suspension sounds promising.
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interesting....thanks.

I just checked out the xtr site, it showed a littel video of how the dual levers work...sketchy. Anyone have them and really like them? I think I am going to stick to xt rapid-fire and xtr rear derailleur. that is the best combo i have ever found....
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interesting....thanks.

I just checked out the xtr site, it showed a littel video of how the dual levers work...sketchy. Anyone have them and really like them? I think I am going to stick to xt rapid-fire and xtr rear derailleur. that is the best combo i have ever found....
It's a love it or leave it kind of deal. I know many people who hate them and only a couple who actually like them.
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