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    So I am in the market for a new mnt bike. Looking at the Next Power X, has a new thing build in called Power Climber. Opinions?
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    I am making my first bike purchase that is not a clunker out of the newspaper. I have done my research and visited my LBS and narrowed my options down to basically 2 and hoping to get some advice so i can pull the trigger and start riding.

    I plan to use my new bike to for 2 main purposes: riding 5 miles to work and back and light trail (south florida). let me say first I WANT TO BE OFF THE PAVEMENT. Even when riding to work and back i will be plowing through grass and riding rough by some old train tracks and jumping curbs, i am not looking for a leisure ride on smooth pavement and my trip to work will only be 5 miles each way so i am not overly concerned about comfortable geometry for street riding. I also want to hit some trails in my area, obviously south florida is not know for its mountainous climbs so these trails will be mostly level but rough track.

    My LBS steered me toward the JAMIS ALLEGRO X "hybrid" style...i liked the feel of the bike but the smaller/skinnier tires concerned me. I was picturing something more like a trail bike with fatter wider tires. I know these tires will slow me down on pavement, but can you switch to less treaded tires on a trail bike to be a little more "street friendly" and save the more rugged ties for hitting trails?

    My question comes down to can the JAMIS ALLEGRO X really handle some rougher terrain than average street use or am i just trying to wish i needed a more rugged bike than i actually do? Is putting smoother tires on a trail bike for more street use just a stupid idea? My spending cap is $1000. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. I do go to the blue ridge/appalachian mountians 3-4 times a year and would love to have a bike that could handle a little more pain there but that is more of a wish list and i know i shouldnt buy a bike based on what i will do a couple times a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Law View Post
    So I am in the market for a new mnt bike. Looking at the Next Power X, has a new thing build in called Power Climber. Opinions?
    Power Climber? Must be Next's 29er. The added momentum of the wheels literally climb hills for you.
    just a n00b with an ego

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    dont get a hybrid. and if you told your lbs your intended use and they still tried to sell you one, go to another shop.

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    so my reaction that the hybrid didnt look like what i had in mind was correct...the JAMIS EXILE COMP/SPORT was the trail bike i was looking at but they were absolutly steering me toward the hybrid ALLEGRO X...it didnt sit well which is why i joined this forum. thanks for the tip

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    I'm a seasoned road biker and I think I had an epiphany over the weekend.

    First, hi! I'm new (sort of). I posted here a little bit to talk about road bike stuff, but under an old username because it was an old email address.

    Anyway, I was invited to go mountain biking over the weekend (or trail riding?) at an area with some pretty fun trails, many of which at least somewhat above the beginner level (lots of dips, uneven terrain, tree roots, etc). The buddy had a spare bike - not as nice his preferred ride - but it worked. I can say with quite a bit of confidence that I have never had more fun on a bicycle before. I've also never had as good of a workout before on a bike. I really enjoyed how mountain biking works your core and upper body, something I never realized before.

    Anyway, I don't really know anything about mountain bikes. I know plenty about road bikes, but jack all about mountains. And I want one something bad now.

    I've read this http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...estion-MTB-FAQ. which is super informative. But what are some good preferred beginner bikes that are still good quality for, let's say, under $800?

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    As the thread says (I think), all of the major brands have similarly outfitted bikes. Go to a local shop (or 4) and ride their brand(s). Personally, I went with a Giant Rincon, and it served its purpose wonderfully. I learned to ride, honed techniques, bike maintenance and all that on it. I'll be upgrading within the next several months as my skill set and wallet have both expanded, but I have no complaints.
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    Looking for a beginner trail hardtail. Sub $800 budget. Happy to try out all kinds of different brands. But I definitely want something that can go on some harder trails, i.e not something that's more like a hybrid, if that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptid01 View Post
    While you're at it, wheedle me up an SB66c over here. kthxbai
    Haha, get in line. They've kinda derailed my 7-year lust for a 575.

    Quote Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
    I was directed towards this thread. Looking for a beginner trail hardtail. Sub $800 budget. Happy to try out all kinds of different brands. But I definitely want something that can go on some harder trails, i.e not something that's more like a hybrid, if that helps.
    With that budget, you will be able to get into something a cut or two above the typical entry-level hardtail and something that should keep you happy for a long time. Take your time, ask questions, test ride enough to give yourself some good comparisons/contrasts and narrow it down to a couple or three that really stood out; then go with the shop that treated you the best and really tried put you on a bike that fitted your needs rather than vice-versa.
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    If you're planning to just do general trail riding, I'd check into the Specialized Hardrock or Rockhopper. Go to your LBS and ride a few bikes in that price range. It's true that many bikes in that range will be really similar, but as Zephyr said...there are subtle differences that can really effect your comfort level on the bike. Bottom line is that if you're not comfortable and confident on the bike...you will most likely find excuses not to ride the trail.

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...cname=Mountain
    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...cname=Mountain


    I generally recommend the Hardrock b/c it is a great bike to discover what type of rider you are to become w/o breaking the bank. The Hardrock is what got me to drop my skateboard and pick up a MTB. You won't win any XC races with it. You won't be able to repeatedly launch it off a 10' drop w/o eventually tearing it up. What it does well is allow you to dabble in different areas of mountain biking to help you decide what type of rider you are.

    You will be able to ride trails all day long on it, no problem. You can hang on the coat tails of your XC buds, or jump off some avg size trail obstacles. Given your story, you will most likely get bitten by the bug and want to upgrade in the distant future. Hopefully by that time, you will have decided if you prefer pedaling your guts out counting lap times, launching off anything you can find on the trail, or just getting out there and enjoying the scenery...exploring. If in the future you decide to upgrade to a mid/high level bike...you will be able to confidently upgrade to something that fits your style of riding...be it a light weight carbon weenie or a burly gnar-shredder.

    I will often suggest people check internet dealers, but seeing as you're brand new to the MTB side of the sport...I think a good "fitting" at your LBS with the typical warranty and support that comes along with buying a new bike at a shop is a good option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    If you're planning to just do general trail riding, I'd check into the Specialized Hardrock or Rockhopper. Go to your LBS and ride a few bikes in that price range. It's true that many bikes in that range will be really similar, but as Zephy said...there are subtle differences that can really effect your comfort level on the bike. Bottom line is that if you're not comfortable and confident on the bike...you will most likely find excuses not to ride the trail.

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...cname=Mountain
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    I generally recommend the Hardrock b/c it is a great bike to discover what type of rider you are to become w/o breaking the bank. The Hardrock is what got me to drop my skateboard and pick up a MTB. You won't win any XC races with it. You won't be able to repeatedly launch it off a 10' drop w/o eventually tearing it up. What it does well is allow you to dabble in different areas of mountain biking to help you decide what type of rider you are.

    You will be able to ride trails all day long on it, no problem. You can hang on the coat tails of your XC buds, or jump off some avg size trail obstacles. Given your story, you will most likely get bitten by the bug and want to upgrade in the distant future. Hopefully by that time, you will have decided if you prefer pedaling your guts out counting lap times, launching off anything you can find on the trail, or just getting out there and enjoying the scenery...exploring. If in the future you decide to upgrade to a mid/high level bike...you will be able to confidently upgrade to something that fits your style of riding...be it a light weight carbon weenie or a burly gnar-shredder.

    I will often suggest people check internet dealers, but seeing as you're brand new to the MTB side of the sport...I think a good "fitting" at your LBS with the typical warranty and support that comes along with buying a new bike at a shop is a good option.
    Awesome stuff, thank you. There's a big Specialized dealer less than a mile from me and it looks like I'll be taking a stroll over there in the near future. And I've already decided that I'll probably end up buying new, although I have done deals over craigslist many times before, simply because of the fitting. I know how fitting a road bike works, but really have no clue what the measurements are for a mountain bike. So that's a big priority, and I may not find something that fits if I go the used route (even though it's not like I broke the mold or anything - I'm 5'10 - 170, so there's probably a whole lot that I could find that would likely fit).

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    Me again. Anyone with an opinion on the Jamis Durango Sport? Pretty much the same class of offering as the Hardrock. Just looking at other brands, plus I personally really like Jamis. My road bike is a Jamis and it's been flawless.

    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...osport_gy.html

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    No opinion on the Durango, but my opinion of Jamis as a company is decent. Blue collar friendly. Great bang-for-your-buck. I broke 1 Jamis frame (my XLT) and was replaced under warranty. I had a 2004 Komodo that I felt the rear tri was a bit flexy. They went as far as to send me a new OEM 2005 freeride hardtail Komodo...which has been one of the best frames I've ever had.

    I'm currently riding 3 Jamis MTB's...1998 Komodo, 2005 Komodo, 2010 Parker. I like'em.

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    Test rode a Specialized Hardrock and a Jamis Durango today. Have to say, the Hardrock felt quite a bit better, particularly the brakes.

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    yeti? maybe?

    So I'm starting to think real hard on purchasing a 11' yeti sb66 frame.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Frame+11.aspx

    Anybody have any experience with the Yetis? Its got all the specs that i need er want iscg tabs, 150mm travel, 12x142 axle. Theres no dealers locally so I wont have a chance to ride one till the next time I'm in sac but the few people I have spoken with that ride them LOVE them. It also has pretty killer reviews.

    Any thoughts? Other frames I should consider? Was checkin the mojo HD as well which would be great except no iscg tabs and i wreck a lot so carbon probably isnt the best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
    Looking for a beginner trail hardtail. Sub $800 budget. Happy to try out all kinds of different brands. But I definitely want something that can go on some harder trails, i.e not something that's more like a hybrid, if that helps.
    Trek Mamba 29er. Little over 800 but not much.
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    I really don't think you'll be disappointed. In either bike, really. Yetis kick all kinds of ass, and the SB66 looks amazing. Mojos are supposed to be super sweet too. I wouldn't worry about breaking the Mojo's frame either. Brian Lopes rides a Mojo, and I'm guessing he's probably harder on his bike than you are.

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    I am totally, completely sold on Yeti. And NOT just because they are a sponsor ; I pursued them - - twice - - because I was so stoked on the company and the products. More recently, I came back after a hiatus with another company and have never regretted the move.

    The SB66 is on my short list when it comes time to finally jettison my mish-mash of cobbled, second-hand trailbikes and get a brand-spanking-new full-suspension. It has even supplanted my longstanding lust for a 575 and, for me anyway, edges out the Seven as well (much as love the concept of that bike).

    The fit-and-finish of a Yeti is second to none, their innovations are well-engineered and -thought out and they are tough as hell. I have owned three Yetis: an AS-X that I got back in '05; my current DH bike, a 303R; and my Dirt Jumper - - and I got all of them without having a chance to ride one first. I leaned heavily on Yeti's exemplary reputation and was never disappointed.
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    ^ Another thing, Yeti's customer service is great too. I called them with questions about an AS-R, and they told me to stop by the office after work to try one out. Probably had to stay late on a Friday to wait for me too. They had one sitting there for me when I arrived, and told me to bring it back on Monday. Obviously if you're in CA that won't be happening, though if you want, you can always see if there's a demo day somewhere close by.

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    dminor, what else is on your short list? I really like the SB66 because of its purported climbing prowess, weight (6lbs for the carbon version!), and level of craftsmanship. However it's longer (wheelbase, top tube, and most critically chainstays) with a higher bb than my 05 SX Trail.

    p.s. is this conversation really aligned with the intended purpose of this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
    Test rode a Specialized Hardrock and a Jamis Durango today. Have to say, the Hardrock felt quite a bit better, particularly the brakes.
    I'd say you made a wise decision testing both and finding which one works best for you. You can't go wrong with either "companies". If I were to choose one based on brand...I'd go Specialized. I'm more often forced to choose based off budget...and for some reason Jamis always seems to slide in that slot for me a little better. I'd trade all 3 of my Jamis rides for a new top shelf SX trail though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptid01 View Post
    dminor, what else is on your short list? I really like the SB66 because of its purported climbing prowess, weight (6lbs for the carbon version!), and level of craftsmanship. However it's longer (wheelbase, top tube, and most critically chainstays) with a higher bb than my 05 SX Trail.
    My short list is, admittedly, pretty short and mostly Yeti: ASR-5; 575; SB66; ASR-7 . . . and, if situations were to change, Transition Bandit (although I'm a bit mystified why the TBC guys opted for a 68 HA).

    I'm not sure if I would look to the 66 as a relacement to your SX Trail; SX strikes me as being on the other side of that cusp between long-legged trailbike and mini-DH/park bike. But maybe that's just me. If it's to pare back for some added climbing prowess, yeah, I'd go the SB; if it's toactually replace the SX Trail, I'd look at the Seven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    I'm not sure if I would look to the 66 as a relacement to your SX Trail; SX strikes me as being on the other side of that cusp between long-legged trailbike and mini-DH/park bike. But maybe that's just me. If it's to pare back for some added climbing prowess, yeah, I'd go the SB; if it's toactually replace the SX Trail, I'd look at the Seven.
    The 05 SXT is kind of an oddball - it's the exact same frame as the 05-07 enduro (150mm rear), but they slapped on a 5th coil, tougher wheels, a ridiculously tall but only 150mm travel Marz 66, and a dual rather than triple ring setup. I pushed mine toward the burlier side (CCDB, 170mm fork, single ring), but that was before I had a dedicated DH bike, and now the SXT is caught out in the middle. Now there's nothing to say I couldn't fall back to a pushed DHX Air and lighter fork and wheels and make it pretty similar to an SB66. I think it'd be a pretty sweet build if I put as much into it as an SB66 frame and non swappable peripherals will cost.

    The thing that's got me hyped on the yeti is the suspension and its anti-squat characteristics. FSR is nice and active and great for descending, but even with the LSC dialed up on the CCDB, I still feel the energy loss under pedaling loads. I'd love to ride the SB66 and make sure it feels like I want it to, but the closest dealer is 5 hours away.

    So there's my conundrum. The sensible decision would be much easier if the SB66 wasn't so dead sexy.

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    How tall are ya? What kind of riding do you want to do with it?

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    Another gear question about stuff I already have: Do any of you have experience with running a road saddle on a bike that sees mostly trail/AM? I'm thinking about running a Specialized Toupe Team, (with Ti rails) on my hardtail. I normally ride an SLR on road bikes, but I have bent the (Ti) rails on one of those riding road. I think the Toupe might be a bit tougher than the SLR, but I don't want to waste either one by using it on terrain that it can't handle. I have seen others ride with minimalist road saddles on mountain terrain, (not just XC). I always drop my post on descents, big drops and that sort of thing as well.
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