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Old 11-29-04, 04:05 PM   #1
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upgrade from 888r?

hey, its so hard to make decisions on what fork to choose, any suggestions?

i got a demo 9 pro with the 888r's on it, i can pay like 300$ and get the internals and stuff changed to a 888rr but this doesnt seem like a worthwhile upgrade..sorta just want to go all out and get a really nice one.

ive been looking at shivers ofcourse, but they are no longer available in....anywhere so id ahve to try and find a used set, also looking at the boxxer world cups, and also the fox DH fork

any pros/cons that i should know about before i pick by how hot they look?
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Old 11-29-04, 04:32 PM   #2
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shivers are still being made.....
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I don't consider the shiver an upgrade. Similar quality damping, just inverted.

What year 888. 2004 the R was the top of the line using the best internals. This year there is no RR this year. You have choice between the Rc and RF (god I hate marz this year, I think there is another in there somewhere) You fork has one leg hsvc and the other ssv (or the other crappy damping).

the upgrade would be noticeable but to be honest not fantastic.

Boxxer WC is ok, but is still based on old tech. Depending on who you talk to this is definately not an upgrade. The FOX Dh...you must be rich

Personally the 888R (or rc this year) stand on top for racing with the shiver, Boxxer and fox dh (well has anyone ridden this thing yet?) I don't see very many places for you to upgrade.
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You could get the 05 Boxxer World Cups- and even get a Blackbox (As used by Sam Hill, Nathan Rennie and Steve Peat) or Mojo upgrade. If you're into racing- this would probably be the best solution, unless you're willing to get the Fox DH Fork.
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you have probably the best all around fork on the market for DH/FR. Dont screw it up by getting something new just to be getting something.
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yea, well my 888's are 04 version, i really like external adjustability this is why im not happy with my 888r's i was told i could pay 300$ and get the second dial on the top of the left leg, to get 888r adjustability.

also shivers are tough as hell with good adjustability, and are now discontinued in all places except italy where they are manufactured, getting a hold of them would be very hard...

personally i like the shivers the most, then the fox DH's...oh and im not rich, well my family is not i just live at home and have a good paying job

anyways next season i hope to be using this bike for 20+ drops, gaps etc, also ski hills and stuff, whistler and sun peaks, not to interested in DH (competitions anyway) right now but i have always had interest in it...

thx for the reply's dudes
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Haha you just described the 888...

The fox could be a pile of butt, no one has even ridden it.

Your choice, but it sure looks like you are upgrading for the sake of upgrading. You have one of the top dh/fr forks available. I would dish the 300 and do the upgrade
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yea, lol i read it again and sounds alot like them, how does the invert design (of shivers) affect err effect things? the demo 9 frame already has low centre of gravity would the shivers compliment that or what?

oh and id probly be happy with 888's but i was riding with some dude, he did a trail gap prolly about 20 by 15 and broke something, a spring at the most but id rather dish out some cash for something better than the 888r but still very simular (shivers) seeing what they can take from watching the dropin season 2 *gillard gap*

anyway *ramble ramble ramble*
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Why don't you just get a Foes Curnutt XTD or one of those White Bros. D2
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I am pretty sure that type of gap/drop will break stuff on any fork. Fox is no where near proven, the boxxer is ok, but it breaks too. (I know the gillard gap and trusting what it can take by a super smooth rider who is sponsored is no 'tell'...it is always possible the fork was brand new. Still a sick drop eh ) The 888 is on par with any of the best. If you want a TRUE hucking fork...monster T is quite a bit stronger at the cost of a lot of weight.

Inverted have their problems. More from heavier riders finding them flexy due to a lack of one crown. Good fork but usually recommended for 150 and under

Anyways buy what you want, but all of those forks are pretty much equal for quality and strength, just seems like you want to spend 2000$cdn
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THE SHIVER IS NOT DISCONTINUED.....THE PRICE JUST WENT UP, IM PRETTY SURE ITS ABOUT $1500

try reading next time
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Old 11-30-04, 01:37 PM   #13
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THE SHIVER IS NOT DISCONTINUED.....THE PRICE JUST WENT UP, IM PRETTY SURE ITS ABOUT $1500
I did read it before and from what i have been told by three bikes stores is they can only get them specialy ordered, which means more money and waiting as long as a year...so i guess my wording should have been the shipping is discontinued, I might be wrong but I've asked a few bike stores if they could get me a set and they all said no.

If i could get 05 shivers for $1500 that would be dope, or even 03 for $1500 id pay

anyways DjRider04 ill go ask another bike store what they can do, maybe its a different story, and i sure hope you're right
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Marz was thinking no at first, so how long ago did you ask those shops? Ive heard from many people that you can order them now.....and ive seen them at a few places online.

http://www.go-ride.com/prod_susp_marz.html

Says they get them in Feb. 05'
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I asked if could get them when i got my bike like a month ago, they said it would be possible but it would take awhile.

thanks for the link ill check that out!
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I heard the Shiver's flexy, my friend tried one out in a car park and put the wheel between his legs and turned the handle bars
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Ironically, they are. Personally, not a big fan of inverted forks.
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I'm thinkin i could just keep my 888r and upgrade them (the other dial and springs in left leg) later or something, and buy somekind of new fork, shiver, monster T(maybe too heavy) but this seems that when i get a new fork i wont be switching them back very often...

well ill be changing my mind 5 million times until i make my decision, just like what i did with my bike
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I heard the Shiver's flexy, my friend tried one out in a car park and put the wheel between his legs and turned the handle bars
That could just mean he had a loose stem
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Or knobby knees
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On a serious note about the flexiness of inverted forks. Today I was riding my friends shiver and that thing felt excellent while riding. When finished he did that tire between the knees thing and it flexxed quite a bit, but all inverted forks flex more torsionally as opposed to upright forks. This is because there is no arch. But inverted forks are better when it comes to lateral stiffness and while riding you kardly ever get the kind of force provided by the tire between the knees.
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what kinda stuff is needed to adjust compression and all that on the Monster T? are there dials under the covers or what? sweet fork, with high speed dampening and the motocross valving! I over looked this fork mainly because of the wieght but ill have to go for a ride on it and the others...

out of 03 to 05 what Monster T do yall think is the best? doesnt seem like there is any difference from what i can see, except stickers ofcourse
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03-05 are all the same.....and its not Moto-X....its the same HSCV I believe, they just try and sway you.
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well, same valving as shivers? i remember reading that somewhere...
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Monsters used to use mx internal. But now use the hsvc. (I think there is a cheap one that is heavier that uses ssv, I think)

I had a monster, didn't suit my riding style and I didn't like the weight.
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