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Old 12-01-04, 08:27 AM   #1
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Mallet Cs or ATAC Zs?

I know this has been asked before but every thread here really doesn´t seem to have a clear choice between the two. I´ve decided to make the switch to clipless but I didn´t want to be limited to having a special set of shoes for biking and another set for when I´m off the bike, thus I narrowed it down to shoes pedals that work with normal shoes and maybe even shoes that work when not on their pedals.

Does anyone have any experience with these pedals and/or shoe combinations?
http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/126...C-Z-Pedals.htm
http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/134...t-C-Pedals.htm

It seems that the ATACs with the 661 shoes should be perfect but I thought it would be best to ask peoples´opinions here before I spend $100+

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I know this has been asked before but every thread here really doesn´t seem to have a clear choice between the two. I´ve decided to make the switch to clipless but I didn´t want to be limited to having a special set of shoes for biking and another set for when I´m off the bike, thus I narrowed it down to shoes pedals that work with normal shoes and maybe even shoes that work when not on their pedals.

Does anyone have any experience with these pedals and/or shoe combinations?
http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/126...C-Z-Pedals.htm
http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/134...t-C-Pedals.htm

It seems that the ATACs with the 661 shoes should be perfect but I thought it would be best to ask peoples´opinions here before I spend $100+

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I've followed this topic a lot here and I've concluded two things:

1. There are a lot of riders who have a strong personal preference for Shimano SPD's vs Mallets or Times, or visa versa.

2. Mallets vs Times is a toss up.

I ride the Time Z's with the 661's and see no reason to switch (I moved there from SPD's). I've been curious to try the Mallets but seems everyone I talk to thinks they're basically a toss up with the Times. I have read no strong argument for why the Mallets (or Times) are better. Just preference.

(The 661's are super comfy but not a hard core bike shoe. More like a skate shoe. I like 'em for the trails but I wouldn't race in them.)
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Mallet C's are a very good pedal. I switched from SPDs to Mallets and am very happy with the stability and solid feel of the pedals and engagement. I ride with normal shoes a lot of the time when I just want to play around, and once I got used to the feel they have a lot of grip. No problems bunnyhopping, etc. with normal shoes.

Never tried Times though, sorry.
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Well it seems I really can´t go wrong with either one Do I understand correctly that there are essentially three systems? SPD, Eggbeater, and whatever it is that Time uses? So I assume the bike shoes simply can have the cleat thing removed and replaced with whatever is compatable with the pedal you use right? Is it the pedals that come with the cleat or do you buy that somewhere separately?

Thanks for helping out a noob I´ll try my best in the future to be of help around here as well First gather knowledge, then share it

Also, do you think it´s possible to take a normal pair of shoes and attach a cleat to them? Just think, use any shoe you want with any pedal. Not good performance I´m sure but it could be useful if done right
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there is now way you could attach a cleat to a normal shoe...the soles are way to floppy and that would involve some crazy **** with your shoes, get the combo pedals and shoes, mtb shoes are wicked comfortable and they are designed for cleats...
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Ok then, I suppose I´ll get the Times and one day when I have some money to blow I´ll get some Mallets so I can do a comparison
At least I know that neither is a bad choice.

Thanks again

If anyone else has any suggestions or opinions please do post as I´m not buying just right now. They´re for christmas
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I use the Time Control Z's and wouldn't trade them for any other.
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just wondering - do you guys' lbs's let you "test ride" the pedals? recently in australia one of the shops has introduced a try before you buy thing for pedals, just a thought.
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I've never heard of anything like that; how does the test-ride work? You bring your own shoes and install the cleats there or something?
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i believe you bring the bike and they install the pedal for you to test, byo shoes i guess? or if they're smart enough they probably have shoes there for those of us who dont have them.

check it out: vicmtb looks like it applies only to candy Cs and control Zs
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I heard (somewhere) that mallets are uncomfortable because the middle sticks up to much. IS this true? Do the time control z feel better with regular shoes?
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I heard (somewhere) that mallets are uncomfortable because the middle sticks up to much. IS this true? Do the time control z feel better with regular shoes?
You're not supposed to ride either one with "regular" shoes
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But you can.... I ride with regular shoes when I want to go for a quick ride around campus or practice trials-type stuff.


It's true that the egg beater part sticks up and reduces grip with regular shoes, but I've gotten used to it.
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I have the Time Atac Z and the 661 combo from pricepoint myself. I really like it a bunch. This is my first clipless system, and I give it big thumbs up. I find it easy to click in, and to escape, also.

ATAC Z's, the shiny black version is a tad slick if you;re wearing regular shoes or riding without being clipped in. I would have liked more teeth on it. But otherwise I am really pleased with them.

Mallet's were another one I was eyeing also.. They both seem good, and seems like a lot of people compare mallets and ATAC Z's and they all love what they have.
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oh yeah, and those 661 shoes are VERY comfortable.. not your traditional bike shoes, I dont think. I even wear mine out in the street. That is, until my pedals finally arrived (long story, took 3 tries for pricepoint to ship me a Right and a Left heh) and I finally got to mount cleats on my shoes. I miss wearing them as street shoes.. hehe
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Thanks everyone for the exellent input. I´m almost certain I´ll go for the ATAC Zs and the 661 shoes. I was only wondering one more thing. How much better are the ATAC Control Zs than the normal Zs? Is it so much of a difference that I should spend so much more and buy the pedals and shoes seperately?
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Thanks everyone for the exellent input. I´m almost certain I´ll go for the ATAC Zs and the 661 shoes. I was only wondering one more thing. How much better are the ATAC Control Zs than the normal Zs? Is it so much of a difference that I should spend so much more and buy the pedals and shoes seperately?
The control Z's have a better machined finish - that's the only difference. The paint does come off the regular Z's fairly easy, but it won't hurt anything.
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I have the glossy black regular Z's, and the paint scratches easily. Brass cleats + gloss black enamel paint= scratched mess.

Doesn't hurt anything, though. Plus it makes you look like a REAL biker, and not just Fred with pristine top-of-line parts, with not one speck of mud or a scratch.

Personally, I don't think its worth the extra cost ($50+?) just to get a better finish on the pedals.
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I've never ridden the mallets but I've had Control Z's for almost a year and couldnt be happier, the switch from SPD to the Time system was a major improvement. And the Time's are really durable, i've bashed the hell out of them and they still work flawlessly. Don't fool yourself into thinking they will be great pedals for street shoes though, they work but grip isnt very good. I doubt the mallets are any better though, although the platform seems larger, which may or maynot be good, depends on your needs. I like the smaller platform of the Times though.
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any of you guys with those mallet's.. do they have knobs or teeth or somehting to help grip the shoes better? That's one thing the Control Z's doesn't that I wish it did. It's slippery when not clipped in. Otherwise, I wouldn't trade my Control Z's for anything.. (except maybe for the exact same thing with teeth )

Sometimes in a hairy section I just don't want to be clipped... Practicing track stands while clipped in is a pretty funny sight, indeed.
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any of you guys with those mallet's.. do they have knobs or teeth or somehting to help grip the shoes better? That's one thing the Control Z's doesn't that I wish it did. It's slippery when not clipped in. Otherwise, I wouldn't trade my Control Z's for anything.. (except maybe for the exact same thing with teeth )

Sometimes in a hairy section I just don't want to be clipped... Practicing track stands while clipped in is a pretty funny sight, indeed.
Having teeth would compromise how easy it is to clip out
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Hmm That's true. Guess TIME did think the design through.
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Mallets sort of have teeth, the replaceable traction plates on the front and back of the platform. They help a little with grip. They stupidly used philips screws to hold them on instead of allen bolts though, so it's nearly impossible to remove the plates without stripping the screws.
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I have the glossy black regular Z's, and the paint scratches easily. Brass cleats + gloss black enamel paint= scratched mess.

Doesn't hurt anything, though. Plus it makes you look like a REAL biker, and not just Fred with pristine top-of-line parts, with not one speck of mud or a scratch.

Personally, I don't think its worth the extra cost ($50+?) just to get a better finish on the pedals.
I've been tempted to take a drill-mounted wire brush to my black Time Z's. I don't mind the paint scratches but it seems the paint is a little slippery. If I brushed off the paint I think they'd be (just about) the same as the Control Z's; not quite as elegantly machined but close. Yes?
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Good idea Juniper! I have actually thought about small strips of griptapes on the Time Z's pedals, also... Hmmmmmm Seems like moddin' time is coming up for my new-ish Time Z's.. hehe
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