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Old 12-03-04, 04:17 PM   #1
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I was glad to see Oregon's McKenzie River Trail included, as well as imperial Gulch in Ketchum, Idaho. It looked like they covered all the major areas. Your guys' opinions on trails that should or shouldn't have made the list? Also any experiences on the trails listed?

Bike Magazine's Top 10
Imperial Gulch - Ketchum, Idaho
McKenzie River Trail - Eugene, Oregon (Not really Eugene, but close)
Porcupine Rim - Moab, Utah
Tsali Left Loop - Nantahala National Forest, North Carolina
The Edge Loop - Fruita, Colorado
Finger Lakes Trail - Letchworth State Park, New York
National Trail - Phoenix, Arizona
Plantation Trail - Davis, West Virginia
Downieville Downhill - Downieville, California
Upper Oilcan - North Vancouver, British Columbia
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I call mutiny that vietnam isn't mentioned.
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I didnt know British Columbia was in America...wierd.
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I didnt know British Columbia was in America...wierd.
WHAT???? My map has Canada in North America. I get what you are saying, though... I just think they are including it due to it's close proximity to the U.S., and it's massive influence on mountain biking in this country. Sort of like how they say McKenzie River Trail is in Eugene.
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Too bad "A river runs through it" in Whistler BC wasnt on the list. Right Maelstrom?
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I've heard quite a bit about Tsali... so I don't guess I'm surprised that it's included in the list. Granted, I haven't ridden it but if it's that good.. it might be fun.
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Too bad "A river runs through it" in Whistler BC wasnt on the list. Right Maelstrom?
River is like a baby trail compared to oilcan. I am surprised it is number 10. In fact I am surprised there aren't a couple of others from whistler or van on there, must be put on there as a token trail because you can't have a top 10 trails without SOMETHING of north shore or whistler . Would be curious to see how the rated them haha... oh well good to see something up there
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I guess "America" means "North America" when people just can't find enough good in the USA, but when we say something like "Those of us Americans who..." we're talking about the USA?

I don't include Canada. Couldn't they have dug a little deeper to find some good trails in the USA? I would include some of the Rails to Trails routes that are paved limestone or crushed gravel. They seem to be pretty good trails.

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It appears as though the list wasn't necessarily ranking the 10 trails in order of greatness, that's just the order that their respective articles appeared in the mag. I think they were trying to be very diplomatic about representing trails from each area of the country instead of loading it up with Utah, Colorado, and BC trails. Which was a good thing, IMO.
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Gonesh,

Ya, it would definately suck to limit the best trails to three areas. Would leave out a lot of spots. I still think they just through it in there for token representation.
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Ya, it would definately suck to limit the best trails to three areas. Would leave out a lot of spots. I still think they just through it in there for token representation.
Yeah, they pretty much said in the article that they included it in there because of the North Shore's importance on the evolution of mountain biking as a whole....Certainly a token pick out of many B.C. trails that would blow away most on the U.S. top 10.

Also, we here in the Pacific Northwest U.S. typically think of B.C. as part of our region. Aside from the obvious geographical and cultural similarities, we're blue states which hold values similar to most of Canada. (But that's an issue for the Politics forum). What's an arbitrary line on a map anyway, when you're talking about something as soulfull as mountain biking?
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that's why im moving to canada. too many serious people in the south. Good people, just too serious for me. I hate people with causes. That includes hippies, hicks, christians, rappers and even cycling elitists. The PacNW has the riding, and thats whats important.
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Also, we here in the Pacific Northwest U.S. typically think of B.C. as part of our region. Aside from the obvious geographical and cultural similarities, we're blue states which hold values similar to most of Canada. (But that's an issue for the Politics forum). What's an arbitrary line on a map anyway, when you're talking about something as soulfull as mountain biking?
Trust me, I treat WA and oregon people as the same, I think it might be the exposure we all seem to have to each other. Everyone I have met from thsoe areas have similar views, goals and personalities. In fact I likely have more people I rdie with from WA then up here considering how often you guys are here.

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Cheers to that.
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Bike Magazine's Top 10
Imperial Gulch - Ketchum, Idaho
McKenzie River Trail - Eugene, Oregon (Not really Eugene, but close)
Porcupine Rim - Moab, Utah
Tsali Left Loop - Nantahala National Forest, North Carolina
The Edge Loop - Fruita, Colorado
Finger Lakes Trail - Letchworth State Park, New York
National Trail - Phoenix, Arizona
Plantation Trail - Davis, West Virginia
Downieville Downhill - Downieville, California
Upper Oilcan - North Vancouver, British Columbia
Typical magazine pap.

There are MUCH better trails in Fruita than the double-track/jeep road slog that is the Edge Loop.

While Porc is a bunch of fun and a classic, there are MUCH better trails in Moab than Porc, but "joe Magazine Guy" wouldn't know about them.

National is a blast, but there are much more challenging/fun trails on South Mountain.

Butcher/Third (Downieville Downhill) is fun yet there are MUCH better trails in the Sierra than the over-hyped/over-ridden Downieville Downhill.

I understand that Tsali is so baby-butt smooth that it can be safely negotiate dby baby-joggers, so I can't imagine why it would make such a list.

IMO, if that was a North American list, at least half of it would be taken by the limited amount of BC trails that I've ridden.
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I'm going to go ride Downieville in the spring, as soon as the snow melts. I'll let you know how it is
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that's why im moving to canada. too many serious people in the south. Good people, just too serious for me. I hate people with causes. That includes hippies, hicks, christians, rappers and even cycling elitists. The PacNW has the riding, and thats whats important.
I'm not too far from you and I agree completely... People here seem to have a real issue making mundane things "fun". People don't seem to understand that I ride my bike because I ENJOY it. Yes, I COULD drive but that's nowhere near as fun and interesting as cycling to where I need to go. I guess I just have a different outlook on life than most people down here. Plus I have to admit, the accent and the poor grammar really start to grate on one's nerves after about the 350,000th time you hear "Ya'll ain't got no ______". At any rate, Burly.. when you leave this god-forsaken state, toss me in your trunk along with my bike. ok?
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It will be a ride you'll never forget. I make an annual trek up to North Carolina to ride. I make a point of riding at least 2 days at Tsali. Technical, smooth, and awesome scenario. Then once I'm done there, I head over to Pisgah National forest and ride there. Black mountain is one of the sickest trails I've ever ridden. The climb is steep and seems to last FOREVER.. but once you're at the top, it's on badass downhill to the bottom. Rocky, steep, and super technical. It runs into this doubletrack trail at the bottom with some opportunities for HUGE air should you feel inclined. I could spend a lifetime just riding the trails on the east coast, specifically in Western NC. Do yourself a favor and ride these areas!
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Isn't Gargamel in Canada meant to be one of the sickest tracks.
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It is pretty sick. But really eroded right now. And really, it only got play cause of the movie, it isn't anything more than a lot of trails around town ...just new and exciting
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I have to admit, the accent and the poor grammar really start to grate on one's nerves after about the 350,000th time you hear "Ya'll ain't got no ______".
Up here in New york you get alot of "yo dis be dis" and "dis be that".... "We be eatin at Bk on Break" Crap... I can not stand it!
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That includes hippies, hicks, christians, rappers and even cycling elitists. The PacNW has the riding, and thats whats important.
Have you BEEN to Washington state???
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I am surprised the Finger Lakes Trail is listed...when I lived near the FLT, bikes were prohibited.

I make at least one Tsali trip every year, and agree with their assesment. Tsali gets a lot of flak for lack of technical stuff, but riding there is kind of like a powder day. You just have to have your mind right.
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I am surprised the Finger Lakes Trail is listed...when I lived near the FLT, bikes were prohibited.
Same here. I'm in Ithaca, and anywhere the FLT crosses the MTB trails I ride, there are little signs explaining that bikes are prohibtited. I googled the location listed, and from the first few links I scanned, it looks like the trails mentioned in the article actually run around the FLT, but it wasn't exactly clear.
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Sorry guys but I can't believe Tsali was on that list. I know every one has the right to their fav. spots. I live 1.5 hours from there and I woud not waste the gas or a good riding day on Tsali. I'll stay home and ride Pisgah any day.Hey Jim331 if you like Black you need to ride Long Branch to Lower Cat Gap in winter, it's seasonal. Cryo & burly, ya'll aint got no sense,ya'll need to move far far away
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Sorry guys but I can't believe Tsali was on that list. I know every one has the right to their fav. spots. I live 1.5 hours from there and I woud not waste the gas or a good riding day on Tsali. I'll stay home and ride Pisgah any day.Hey Jim331 if you like Black you need to ride Long Branch to Lower Cat Gap in winter, it's seasonal. Cryo & burly, ya'll aint got no sense,ya'll need to move far far away
hahah.. I'd love to do so. As far as Tsali vs Pisagh, I've never ridden either and would probably be happy riding either one.
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