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    Wooden frame 29er

    this bike looks way cool.

    http://www.renovobikes.com/badash-29er/

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    G-to-da-Hey!

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    Damm, I didn't need another project. Plywood laminates anybody?
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    I'm thinking a bamboo 26" would be freakin awesome if it's possible. Very sustainable, more eco-friendly material in my size choice. I'll hope for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
    I'm thinking a bamboo 26" would be freakin awesome if it's possible. Very sustainable, more eco-friendly material in my size choice. I'll hope for the future.
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    What's with all the hippy crap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    G-to-da-Hey!
    Awww. . . you say that about all the ghey hippy-dippy roadie creations.

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    "We argued about configuration for a bit but quickly settled on a 29er"

    big surprise there

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    "I do have one failure to report. On a steep descent in the rocks, one 200 lb test rider wedged the front wheel and endoed. The bike went over the top and slammed down hard on the rocks beCracked Chain Staylow. The only damage was the drive side chainstay which took most of the force of the fall, hitting a rock between the dropout and the bottom bracket, and splitting, but not breaking. The gouge from the rock is visible in the picture to the left. The rider with his broken helmet and the others who saw it, said the fall was serious, and believed a frame of carbon would have been broken, and any metal frame bent. But the stay was only partially split, so our guy rode the bike 12 miles back to camp. 'Tough as hickory' is more than just a phrase. . Back at the shop, we made a nearly invisible repair by bonding the split with epoxy. It went out for more test riding, with no apparent effect. Obviously, other materials would be difficult, expensive or impossible to repair."


    I'm positive my frame would have looked 10x worse than that b/c of an endo to rock. 7005 is some frail material compared to wood.

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    In standard 26", please!
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    1 ride in the rain and the thing would warp causing your HA to go 65 or 73...our it would warp L/R and you'd be riding sideways.

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    One ride in the rain & 01 would rip my head off for destroying the trails
    just a n00b with an ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    1 ride in the rain and the thing would warp causing your HA to go 65 or 73...our it would warp L/R and you'd be riding sideways.
    Or everything would stay aligned and it would turn into a sponge and you would be stuck with a 50lb bike.
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    AMish hardtail = An all-black bike with no rear-suspension that is intended to be ridden on farms. It also has the ability to bunnyhop over piles of horse poop. Most also have bashguards because showing up to church with a pant leg that got ripped up by your chain is frowned upon.

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    I'd guess the bike has plenty of laminate or whatever to keep moisture out. I do wonder, though, if after a crash you might need to touch up any scraps or gouges to make sure it stays sealed.

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    What's with all the hippy crap?
    More eco-friendly crap is cool. We're destroying the world and filling it with garbage and it's a Serious problem at its current rate. Especially when you consider the obscene rate that people are increasing our population. We were at ~6 Billion in 1999. And 7 Billion this year. We went up a BILLION people in just 10 years, and it's just growing exponentially. And there are actually more people. It's a conservative guess because a Lot of countries have a lot of people that aren't registered. Even the US has millions of homeless that aren't on our census. That's a LOOOT of garbage produced if people keep doing things the way they are.
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    yeah im sure they have the moisture issue figured out. There are boats made out of wood that spend there life in the water and they dont warp or absorb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamiRider1316 View Post
    yeah im sure they have the moisture issue figured out. There are boats made out of wood that spend there life in the water and they dont warp or absorb.
    Depends on the type of timber construction. Traditional framed and planked timber boats are wet, they are designed for the timber to absorb seawater and seal all the little gaps through expansion. Modern composite plywood boats tend to be dry, the ply is structural but is not intended to absorb water.

    The bikes?, I dont know what hickory's rate of saturation induced expansion is exactly but I'm going to assume its quite low given the traditional uses for it, axe handles etc. Anyway the moisture absorption is only going to be significant when you ride it underwater.

    Dont discount wood as an engineering material, it has unique sets of properties that man made materials cannot replicate easily. Its downside is weight and maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclops View Post
    Dont discount wood as an engineering material, it has unique sets of properties that man made materials cannot replicate easily.
    Indeed. I hear people even tried using it for a few years before man made stuff came about and some crazies even use it still today, even as "outdated" as such an old engineering material must be.
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    So I'm not going to comment on its durability, because for all I know, it's super durable. And I don't want to sound like all the people who are all "rawr rawr carbon can't handle impacts rawr rawr rawr" only with wood instead.

    What I will say though is that for $2950, I can get a wooden 29er hardtail frame, or I can get a Yeti SB66 frame AND a Transition Bank frame and still have a couple bucks left over to start putting towards the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
    So I'm not going to comment on its durability, because for all I know, it's super durable. And I don't want to sound like all the people who are all "rawr rawr carbon can't handle impacts rawr rawr rawr" only with wood instead.

    What I will say though is that for $2950, I can get a wooden 29er hardtail frame, or I can get a Yeti SB66 frame AND a Transition Bank frame and still have a couple bucks left over to start putting towards the build.
    Personally it's not my first choice either, I think to be honest its niche marketing with little relevance to MTB. But, it is pretty and thats its selling point, adequacy of strength at the expense of excess weight is not enough for me to put my hard-earned into one. My only point was that wood remains a viable engineering resource that shouldnt be forgotten or dismissed out of hand, it still has relevance in particular circumstances.

    I want the carbon fibre yellow bike I saw on here a few weeks ago, I'd have that or an IF long before I bought a wooden frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
    Indeed. I hear people even tried using it for a few years before man made stuff came about and some crazies even use it still today, even as "outdated" as such an old engineering material must be.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclops View Post
    Huh?
    He forgot the sarcasm smilie.
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    I'll stick with AL for now, but FWIW:

    Hickory wood is very hard, stiff, dense and shock resistant. As stated in the U.S. Forest Service pamphlet on "Important Trees of Eastern Forests", "there are some woods that are stronger than hickory and some that are harder, but the combination of strength, toughness, hardness, and stiffness found in hickory wood is not found in any other commercial wood."

    http://www.oldspokeshome.com/%E2%80%...icago-ill-1897

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