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  • Hard Tail

    57 52.29%
  • Full suspension

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  • It doesn't matter, both serve their purpose.

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    Hard tail vs Full suspension

    The MTB forum seems far too quiet...
    Hard Tail vs Full Suspension, and dont sit on the fence, pick a damn side.
    Have fun

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    And a steel one at that.

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    Hardtail

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    You answered the question correctly

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    What are the vs...?
    What do you ride...?
    What's better for dropping off a cliff...?
    Prefer...?

    I do almost all my riding on ht bikes.

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    ht baby
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    Hardtail!

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    Hardtail.
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    HT, BUT I am looking to get a FR FS in the next few years.

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    Had to vote for FS......nobody else has. more traction, less bouncing.
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    Full Squishy. What can I say, I'm getting older and the HT is starting to hurt.
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    well i think that fot people on a budget or something like that (as me) is better to get a good ht rather than a cheap fs bike... i was looking at cross country fs and they look nice.. specialy the fsr from specialized... and the sugar i believe from gary fisher... tell me if im wrong at this point...
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    I don't like the Sugar, nor hardly ANY Gary Fisher. The geometries just never felt good for me and my body dimensions. Plus, I think GF suspension design is poor. Also never felt right.
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    this should be a sticky
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    Quote Originally Posted by skdsl
    Had to vote for FS......nobody else has. more traction, less bouncing.
    Think you got it backwards, mate. Too much bouncing with the FS. I have these things halfway down my legs, big joints called knees. They do a pretty good job of soaking up what the front suspension doesn't. I'll take a properly tuned front suspension over a full squishy any day. Gave the FS to my wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hebrew_rider
    this should be a sticky

    Not yet. We'll let it run it's course and die it's course.

    Polls eventually wear out of interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
    I don't like the Sugar, nor hardly ANY Gary Fisher. The geometries just never felt good for me and my body dimensions. Plus, I think GF suspension design is poor. Also never felt right.
    why? would you give me a more deep explanation?

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    Each manufacturer builds their bikes to what they feel is the "optimum" design to fit what they consider to be the "average" size rider. Gary Fisher's idea of "average" and my "actual" body dimensions are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Thus, their bikes always felt horrible when I rode them. I also have distain for Genesis Geometry.

    Specialize bikes however always felt "Right" to me. So, I buy them!

    Also the suspension on the Fisher's is pretty poor. I'm a big fan of a Horst four bar or modified Horst (like Kona's Rocker arm, with Horst chainstay pivots) vs. a carbon seat stay that flexes in lieu of a pivot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
    I'm a big fan of a Horst four bar or modified Horst (like Kona's Rocker arm, with Horst chainstay pivots) vs. a carbon seat stay that flexes in lieu of a pivot.
    The frame I gave my wife has a Horst linkage. Doesn't seem to need some newfangled shock to work properly either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a2psyklnut

    Specialized bikes however always felt "Right" to me. So, I buy them!
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    Same here.
    I voted Dual squish because while you should learn your skills on a hardtail after enough time HT's just start to beat you up too badly.

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    Not this again.

    And to be totaly honest. I want to edit the pole. Neither one is best overall.

    For djing - ht
    normal xc - ht
    some fr type trails - either depending on my goal
    dh and fr - dually
    street - either depending on the size of my gonads that day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate
    Think you got it backwards, mate. Too much bouncing with the FS. I have these things halfway down my legs, big joints called knees. They do a pretty good job of soaking up what the front suspension doesn't. I'll take a properly tuned front suspension over a full squishy any day. Gave the FS to my wife.
    I think he means in truly rough situations (I can think of a couple of trails where only the best ht riders could survive without getting bounced)...when the going gets rough you CAN'T move your legs fast enough in a suspension motion so you can get stuck with chatter. Good duallies eliminate this WITH the use of your knees and suspension. Why is it that the biggest defence of ht lovers is this sudden lack of leg bending when you start riding a dually. hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom
    I think he means in truly rough situations (I can think of a couple of trails where only the best ht riders could survive without getting bounced)...when the going gets rough you CAN'T move your legs fast enough in a suspension motion so you can get stuck with chatter. Good duallies eliminate this WITH the use of your knees and suspension. Why is it that the biggest defence of ht lovers is this sudden lack of leg bending when you start riding a dually. hahaha
    Actually I have no problem riding the extremly rough stuff on a hardtail. Do I wind up feeling it later, yes but no pain, no game. Skeetball on the otherhand I have problems with.
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    Like I said. There are definately people that have the reaction time to handle it at speed. But I can't tell you how many times I saw guys on a ht on schelyer getting the ass kicked because they didn't have a little suspension to help them out. Not saying suspension is required, but it helps most riders go faster through really rough stuff (speed bumps are the worst on a ht)

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    Our tandem is a hardtail with a DH fork up front. I am far removed from what happens back there, but my wife never complains. Not everyone rides rough downhill stuff, and I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would buy a FS if the price was right, but really don't need it for most of their riding. My Cannondale has about 3 inches up front, and I really enjoy that ragged edge feeling I get when I push it in the rough. That's just me though.

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