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    shimano gears and deraileurs

    Hi, well first off, I am a noob at mountain biking and am somewhat clueless as to the mechanics and what not, so please bare with me. I bought a schwinn frountier gt mountain bike, but the front and back derailleur are pretty beat up, so i decided to replace them. Also the twist gear shifters are not in good condition either so im replacing that as well. The derailleurs are both Shimano but the front is Altus and the back is acera x, I was thinking on just sticking with those two, or are they supposed to match? Also the gear shifters are SRAM 200-70, but i kinda wanted it to match the shimano brand. If can stick with those two derailleurs, what shimano gear shifters should i get that is compatible with the derailleurs? Please help, and no rude comments either, im just looking for some trustworthy, knowledgeable, expert help. thank you for reading

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    The Shimano shifters you have are good for that bike. You didn't say how many speeds the bike has. So i'm going to assume 7/8 speed rear freewheel.

    Toss those twist shifters. They are bad. These Shimano trigger shifters are so much better, and still reasonably priced at about $15 each:



    A better rear derailleur is this Alivio unit, and only about $30:



    You can spend a lot more on higher end components, but these are good solid parts that are an upgrade to what you have and you will see and feel the difference once installed.

    Oh, when the twist shifters are replaced with trigger shifters, a set of normal sized grips will be needed. There are lots out there, but there are lots of good grips under $10 a pair. These Avenir mountain bike grips are popular and get great reviews on Amazon:
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    Hey, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one.piece View Post
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    Why are they bad?????
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    ^^ They're probably the MRXs or similar low-end Shimano-compatible SRAMs. They tend to be a bit funky.

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    Geeeee......thanx D. You were a BIG help..........
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    No soup for you!!!!!!!
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    Why are they bad?????
    Twist shifters in general have issues. I found that the housings wear internally quickly, especially with the 90* bend they have. Almost all are 100% plastic. Then after a few hundred shifts, you will notice that even though the derailleur has been adjusted for cable stretch (again...) that the shifter needs to be pulled just past the gear to engage it. The detent tends to wear out and the shifters will not stay in the higher gears and pop down to the next lower gear easily. By design, they are part of the grip, and if you are holding on tight in rough terrain, bouncing can cause unintentional shifting.

    Twist shifters are OK for cruisers, but definitely a draw back on a mountain bike.

    By comparison, the trigger shifters are independent from the grip, so no matter how you hold on, it won't cause an accidental shift. The Acera trigger shifters are all metal internals and levers (with plastic covers), and have a good reputation for being long lived and bullet proof. Once they have been adjusted after initial cable stretch, they rarely need further adjustments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one.piece View Post
    Twist shifters in general have issues. I found that the housings wear internally quickly, especially with the 90* bend they have. Almost all are 100% plastic. Then after a few hundred shifts, you will notice that even though the derailleur has been adjusted for cable stretch (again...) that the shifter needs to be pulled just past the gear to engage it. The detent tends to wear out and the shifters will not stay in the higher gears and pop down to the next lower gear easily. By design, they are part of the grip, and if you are holding on tight in rough terrain, bouncing can cause unintentional shifting.

    Twist shifters are OK for cruisers, but definitely a draw back on a mountain bike.

    By comparison, the trigger shifters are independent from the grip, so no matter how you hold on, it won't cause an accidental shift. The Acera trigger shifters are all metal internals and levers (with plastic covers), and have a good reputation for being long lived and bullet proof. Once they have been adjusted after initial cable stretch, they rarely need further adjustments.

    You can stretch a steel cable with a plastic grip shift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    You can stretch a steel cable with a plastic grip shift?
    Huh? Where did that come from??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by one.piece View Post
    Almost all are 100% plastic . . . even though the derailleur has been adjusted for cable stretch (again...)

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    I have grip shifters on my 94 Norco Nitro and they still work perfectly-considering they have been serviced by me. I do keep things lubed. I like em! But they did come with an XT Mountain Mix in the day. Better components all the way around. But cheap and you got cheap, it has always burned me at the worst time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    Here?
    here what? Sorry I don't follow you. But thanks for posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daspydyr View Post
    I have grip shifters on my 94 Norco Nitro and they still work perfectly-considering they have been serviced by me. I do keep things lubed. I like em! But they did come with an XT Mountain Mix in the day. Better components all the way around. But cheap and you got cheap, it has always burned me at the worst time.
    Yeah, I am sure there are some good twist shifters out there. But most are on entry level bikes and the plastic wears away. The more they wear, the more adjustment is needed to make up for it as the cables get loose, again and again and again..... gets frustrating continually having to take up slack cables. LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by one.piece View Post
    here what? Sorry I don't follow you.
    Huh? Wut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    You can stretch a steel cable with a plastic grip shift?
    No, but a steel cable can bite into the almost-all plastic parts of a plastic grip shift. Ya savvy?
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