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Old 01-27-05, 02:53 PM   #1
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First few rides on new Rocky

I finally got back town and have taken my new Rocky Element 50 out for a couple trail rides. Gotta say, that there really is a difference between cheapo bikes and nice one's. The bike is light, so that helps, it also has propedal on the fox float rear shock for better climbing, so simple to use. the brakes are incredibly solid, its my first time with disc and i love them. the XT rear der shifts so smooth that sometimes it feels like it didnt shift at all. only downer about the bike so far is the tires. they perform great on dry packed trails, but when it gets loose and wet or muddy, they wash out like crazy. it is dangerous almost. they are hutchinson python airlight. downhill they grab very well, but when its dry. i try to slide the rear end and i often cant. but they will do until they wear out cause as a new college student i got no dough to blow on tires when mine still work. pictures coming later today.
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Before you give up on your tires, try playing around with the tire pressure.

A 5 psi change up or down will dramatically affect how your tires feel.

What pressures are you currently using?

How much do you weigh?
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Before you give up on your tires, try playing around with the tire pressure.

A 5 psi change up or down will dramatically affect how your tires feel.

What pressures are you currently using?

How much do you weigh?
No doubt. I check and adjust mine almost every ride. My rear Mythos XC blew out(in my trunk after a ride) cause the sidewall was toast. Tube had almost a 1/2" hole in it. I'm running a Hutchinson Rock and Road on the rear of my HT now. It works pretty well, but any mud and it's a crap shoot trying to get traction uphill or on rocks. I miss my Ground Control/Master.
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Off the top of my head I believe I am running about 55-60 PSI. Not sure on the exact pressure cause the bike is in the garage. But after a week's worth of riding the tires are performing well. Surpsingly they managed to grip well climbing up a muddy hill. It's just going downhill in slippery shallow mud that's the problem. But I am learning to ride them well. I wouldn't give up on them, mainly cause I dont wanna shell out $50 for new tires. I actually like these quite a bit now. They don't get all clogged up, as I hear some tires tend to do.
But gosh, the bike is riding good. So smooth and shifts so nicely. Brakes are super powerful. Love it so far. We'll see how it works after a years worth of riding.
I took 2 pictures today before I rode. enjoy. And....thanks for the replies and POV.

......I weigh 160-165
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Off the top of my head I believe I am running about 55-60 PSI. Not sure on the exact pressure cause the bike is in the garage. But after a week's worth of riding the tires are performing well. Surpsingly they managed to grip well climbing up a muddy hill. It's just going downhill in slippery shallow mud that's the problem. But I am learning to ride them well. I wouldn't give up on them, mainly cause I dont wanna shell out $50 for new tires. I actually like these quite a bit now. They don't get all clogged up, as I hear some tires tend to do.
But gosh, the bike is riding good. So smooth and shifts so nicely. Brakes are super powerful. Love it so far. We'll see how it works after a years worth of riding.
I took 2 pictures today before I rode. enjoy. And....thanks for the replies and POV.

......I weigh 160-165

I had the same tires on my Instinct, and trust me, new tires will make a huge difference in muddy conditions. I was slipping back and forth with those tires in damp/wet conditions before I went to Hutchson Scorpions. Trust me, it is a huge difference. Even, if you go with the steel bead version, you'll be much happier because the Pythons are not meant for muddy conditions. These tires are pretty expensive, and roll very well on hard packed conditions, so youI probably would save them for race events.

The Pythons are also very thin, which means they are prone to punctures, and some people on mtbr.com reportedly have flat spotted their rims with these tires as well.

Nice ride by the way, I love Rocky frames

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Oh yeah, if you dont need the platform side, I probalby would take the plastic platforms off the pedal, so you can clip into both sides of the pedals.
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nice. that frame is pretty sweet looking
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60psi is wayyyy too much pressure. Try them at 40psi before dropping more cash. Sparks, is right as well, the Python is a dry condition race tire that sucks hard in the mud. I did find that they worked well in loose soil if you run lower pressure.

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That high pressure might be what helped you up the hill. The tire was probably able to dig in more since it was harder. I'm running about 30-35 psi in my rear tire. Gonna bump it to 40 'cause it seems to be compressing too much. Don't want any rim damage.
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60psi is wayyyy too much pressure. Try them at 40psi before dropping more cash. Sparks, is right as well, the Python is a dry condition race tire that sucks hard in the mud. I did find that they worked well in loose soil if you run lower pressure.

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I agree that 55 to 60 is too much.

I'd start at 45 p.s.i. at the trailhead and as you are riding, stop and let a little spurt out. There will come a point where you are "in the groove". Go back to the trailhead and verify that pressure.

I do this often, and have often gone too far, then I have to stop and break out the mini-pump. But when you are at the perfect psi it makes all the hassle worthwhile.
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Guys, thanks for the advice on tire pressure. I will go ahead and drop it to 40-45 PSI when I get home. I am breaking from riding today to let my legs rest, but tomorrow I will try it out with the lower pressure and let you know what happens.
Luckily it only rains here in Santa Barbara like 10 days a year so the trails are rarely muddy. I just happened to buy my bike the day the 2 week rainstorm came.

I use the flat plastic side of the pedal. I wear an old pair of new balances when I ride. I have an extra set of pedals, but they are something off an old Scott MTB I have. They are Wellgo(metal, not plastic) and seem to be fine. I just want to make sure I install pedals that are real light. I should probably take off those clipless pedals until I am ready to actually use them.

As I said, most trails are fairly packed and very dry. Any suggestions on front/rear pressure?
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Guys, thanks for the advice on tire pressure. I will go ahead and drop it to 40-45 PSI when I get home. I am breaking from riding today to let my legs rest, but tomorrow I will try it out with the lower pressure and let you know what happens.
Luckily it only rains here in Santa Barbara like 10 days a year so the trails are rarely muddy. I just happened to buy my bike the day the 2 week rainstorm came.

I use the flat plastic side of the pedal. I wear an old pair of new balances when I ride. I have an extra set of pedals, but they are something off an old Scott MTB I have. They are Wellgo(metal, not plastic) and seem to be fine. I just want to make sure I install pedals that are real light. I should probably take off those clipless pedals until I am ready to actually use them.

As I said, most trails are fairly packed and very dry. Any suggestions on front/rear pressure?
Those clipless pedals are actually fairly light. YOu may save about 100 grams by going to something exotic, which I dont think is really worth the money. Unless you dont like the Shamino design, then it would make sense to swap to nicer pedals.
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I dropped the PSI to 45 or so. I was having trouble getting an accurate reading due to the pump. But I can always use a little glovebox air pressure gauge. But it is down to 45 now. I will let ya know how it feels, I might even drop it later and test that.
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speaking of pedal. i was dragging out my old Scott MTB this afternoon so i could get down to the beach for my class and the pedals caught my calve and ripped me good. 4 nice slices to my calve. little bit of blood made it look real bad. after i washed it up it was OK. I;m sure you have all had this happen.
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I finally got back town and have taken my new Rocky Element 50 out for a couple trail rides. Gotta say, that there really is a difference between cheapo bikes and nice one's. The bike is light, so that helps, it also has propedal on the fox float rear shock for better climbing, so simple to use. the brakes are incredibly solid, its my first time with disc and i love them. the XT rear der shifts so smooth that sometimes it feels like it didnt shift at all. only downer about the bike so far is the tires. they perform great on dry packed trails, but when it gets loose and wet or muddy, they wash out like crazy. it is dangerous almost. they are hutchinson python airlight. downhill they grab very well, but when its dry. i try to slide the rear end and i often cant. but they will do until they wear out cause as a new college student i got no dough to blow on tires when mine still work. pictures coming later today.

Thats a nice bike congrats.
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