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    "Go fast, pull up"
    http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/featu...9954/sspomer,2
    See 3:54 for for compress/unweight technique


    Trying to learn clipless and jumping concurrently is not a great idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptid01 View Post
    "Go fast, pull up"
    http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/featu...9954/sspomer,2
    See 3:54 for for compress/unweight technique


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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptid01 View Post
    "Go fast, pull up"
    http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/featu...9954/sspomer,2
    See 3:54 for for compress/unweight technique
    Holy sh|t . . . I've never ridden those sections on Freight Train and thought, "wow, those are sweet doubles." Jackson's the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    Be smug all you want, but landing 3 foot drops while trail riding is closer to XC than DH and a mile away from dirt jump. Most XC, trail, and AM riders use clipless. Clipless helps people with the bunny hop motion. Ergo, it's at least worth a try. Read the question, answer the question. It's not particularly complicated/
    Sorry, but it's also cheating, since you don't learn foot position/angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
    Sorry, but it's also cheating, since you don't learn foot position/angle.
    This is insane. I ride trail/xc. I ride with clipless. That's not cheating, it's riding. Back in 1987 on my ghetto ass, hand me down Schwinn Scrambler, I spent hours jumping with flats. I remember crashing a lot more back then. And hell, even the BMX kids are rolling clipless these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    So, ride a brakeless Fixie on trails ?


    Sorry, bad, I know . . . .

    'Nother boring question if anyone is still reading this:
    How are 29'ers for air stability? I know its mostly rider, but do the bigger wheels spinning have a gyro effect or any weird physics stuff like that?
    Cherokee Park in Louisville is my trail system if anyone reading this knows that area

    Anyway, for me this is all theoretical, as I don't do jumps, windows, or put starch on shirt collars...

    1. Have you ever gone out to the BMX track at Tom Sawyer? That might be a good place to get airborne.

    2. Ft. Duffield has sweet jumps, if you have the shocks and pegs. It's much more demanding than Cherokee. If you go out there, either come back with your shield, or on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    Anyway, for me this is all theoretical, as I don't do jumps, windows, or put starch on shirt collars...

    No windows ?!?!? Are you one of those shiftless freaks who walk Bardstown Road ?

    1. Have you ever gone out to the BMX track at Tom Sawyer? That might be a good place to get airborne.

    Definitely on the agenda. I guess that area is always open to riders?
    Is it like the skate park? I mean, do BMX kids rain down on you like they are being dropped from a B-52?


    2. Ft. Duffield has sweet jumps, if you have the shocks and pegs. It's much more demanding than Cherokee. If you go out there, either come back with your shield, or on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    Be smug all you want, but landing 3 foot drops while trail riding is closer to XC than DH and a mile away from dirt jump. Most XC, trail, and AM riders use clipless. Clipless helps people with the bunny hop motion. Ergo, it's at least worth a try. Read the question, answer the question. It's not particularly complicated/
    I didn't see anyone post anything remotely smug. They're simply sharing their Good advice. They're trying to help with proper technique and explain things to the OP and you're telling him to just get new pedals so that the bike can't go anywhere(and as I pointed out, telling someone who can't jump and rides flats that it would be a good idea to attach themselves to the bike and go hit some jumps...). Try to get past defending yourself for a second and realize that they're very knowledgeable and experienced riders. Then actually think about what they're saying rather than trying to think of why you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    And hell, even the BMX kids are rolling clipless these days.
    And if you look real close, you'll see that they, too, do it for power transfer rather than as a jumping aid. In fact, BMX kids don't really jump that much anyway - - they pump and manual a lot of the stuff.



    But this is all silly. I'm correcting a clueless person who does not want to listen. Discussion over.

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    I'm glad you decreed it over. You definitely win the internet.

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    Cherokee is also my "home" trail. It is not DH. There are some DH-like sections (those are the fun parts), but no big jumps or drops like you'd find at Whistler, etc.
    -=(8)=-, What jumps are you talking about? The only real (intentional) jumps I ever found were in a section that was closed off about a couple weeks after I found it. (Apparently it was unauthorized which is a shame because I was looking forward to trying out the jumps, if I ever got the nerve.)
    Maybe I just need to go faster. I can think of some places that could make decent jumps if you are fast (and brave) enough. At my current pace I can get some air in a few places, but nothing too serious I think. Probably no more then a foot.

    ...or maybe you weren't referring to jumps at Cherokee.

    I saw a DH race at Ft. Duffield. It looked fun, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet. I like to stay close to the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncw View Post
    Cherokee is also my "home" trail. It is not DH. There are some DH-like sections (those are the fun parts), but no big jumps or drops like you'd find at Whistler, etc.
    -=(8)=-, What jumps are you talking about? The only real (intentional) jumps I ever found were in a section that was closed off about a couple weeks after I found it. (Apparently it was unauthorized which is a shame because I was looking forward to trying out the jumps,

    ...or maybe you weren't referring to jumps at Cherokee.

    I saw a DH race at Ft. Duffield. It looked fun, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet. I like to stay close to the ground.
    I was speaking generically, after a few states and different types of trails, jumping is just not my thing for some reason. While I still have a pulse, and live so close to such a nice riding area, I would like to try to get it handled. I would call Cherokee 'trailriding' but even being able to cleanly bunny hop roots and stuff like that rather than just ramming over-through them would be a nice thing to learn. Ive always had MTB's, but my MTB-Fu is weak!
    Is the part of the trail you are talking about close to Lexington and runs along the paved walking trail ? They usually are only closed for a week or two in some places. I think I remember that one being closed for a week or so ???? Im new here so I dont know my way around too well.
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    ah. I didn't realize you were new here. The jumps I saw were on a trail off-shoot just before a tennis court. That was last fall. It might be all closed off now. I haven't been to Cherokee in a few months. The jumps have probably been dismantled by now. I don't remember if the whole section was closed off or not. I think it was.

    I haven't figured out how to bunny-hop any good a mountain bike. (I can do it on a bmx bike just fine though.) I just try to easily roll over stuff (rather than "ramming") by lifting the front wheel up and over and then transferring my weight forward to slightly lessen the impact on the rear wheel.

    By the way, you should try out Seneca too if you haven't yet. I usually like to make one big loop out of Cherokee and Seneca.

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    ^^^^I think you're referring to part of the trail called "No Net". It gets closed periodically for redoing. It's the toughest part of Cherokee by consensus.

    The BMX track usually isn't crazy, but there will be lots of people there on nice Sunday afternoons. You might check their web page for the race schedule.

    I don't hang at Bardstown Road, but I'm quite sure I've never put in an honest days work in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncw View Post
    ah. I didn't realize you were new here. The jumps I saw were on a trail off-shoot just before a tennis court. That was last fall. It might be all closed off now. I haven't been to Cherokee in a few months. The jumps have probably been dismantled by now. I don't remember if the whole section was closed off or not. I think it was.

    I haven't figured out how to bunny-hop any good a mountain bike. (I can do it on a bmx bike just fine though.) I just try to easily roll over stuff (rather than "ramming") by lifting the front wheel up and over and then transferring my weight forward to slightly lessen the impact on the rear wheel.

    By the way, you should try out Seneca too if you haven't yet. I usually like to make one big loop out of Cherokee and Seneca.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    ^^^^I think you're referring to part of the trail called "No Net". It gets closed periodically for redoing. It's the toughest part of Cherokee by consensus.

    The BMX track usually isn't crazy, but there will be lots of people there on nice Sunday afternoons. You might check their web page for the race schedule.

    I don't hang at Bardstown Road, but I'm quite sure I've never put in an honest days work in my life.

    I still get lost in Cherokee . . pretty pitiful, huh ? That said, Ill have to try to figure out a way to get to Seneca.
    I think I was there once, but it was a convoluted way off of Frankfort from my job.
    I was on this page:
    http://kymba.org/louisville/

    The part called "Clinic Loop" looks very nice!!
    Looks Vermontish or Mt. Pisgah'ian for want of a better term!



    Thanks again for tips 'n stuff . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
    ^^^^I think you're referring to part of the trail called "No Net". It gets closed periodically for redoing.
    No, I know about no-net. This trail was before you get to no-net (if you're going counter-clockwise, anyway) and didn't really connect to anything else. This map is a bit out-dated, but I drew the general area of the section I mentioned. (fat red line in the middle, not very accurate at all) One week there were some jumps, and the next the trail was blocked off and the jumps covered with branches and there was a sign that said "Unauthorized Trail work Prohibited".
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    I still get lost in Cherokee . . pretty pitiful, huh ? That said, Ill have to try to figure out a way to get to Seneca.
    I think I was there once, but it was a convoluted way off of Frankfort from my job.
    I was on this page:
    http://kymba.org/louisville/
    It took me a while to get familiar with it. Now I like to go "backwards" sometimes just to change things up a bit. (That is, if it's not too busy. I don't want to get everybody's way.) I got kinda lost the first time I tried to get to Seneca. You have to ride along a road for a few minutes to get there.
    I'd recommend following someone who knows where they're going. That's how I learned where to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    The part called "Clinic Loop" looks very nice!!
    Looks Vermontish or Mt. Pisgah'ian for want of a better term!
    Clinic is at Waverly. It's a fun place, too. I find it more confusing than Cherokee, but then I don't go there nearly as often. (It's farther away from me.)


    sorry to jack your thread about jumps. It's cool to see locals on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncw View Post
    sorry to jack your thread about jumps. It's cool to see locals on the forum.

    No, Jack on !! Jack away !! I appreciate the info !

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    Can you handle the unsweet jumps? Could be a palate thing.

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    Brian Lopes has a great book on everything mountain biking.

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    ^^ That would probably be a great book to read if I could get past the fact that it was written by BLDB55.



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