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Old 02-14-05, 08:24 PM   #1
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Motion Control vs. SPV Evolve?

Which is better? Discuss amongst yourselfs...

Specifically looking at the Rockshox Reba Team and the Manitou Skareb Platinum for this upcoming race season. I'm leaning towards the Manitou because it does have V-Brake bosses so I won't have to upgrade my front end to disc, but I'm also curious which technology works better... and can't find many reviews yet.
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Well i have no expirience with both, however i have heard very + things about the reba. SOmewhere on this forum it was mentioned. I always lean toward rock shox, since i got my SID im completely sold on them.
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Motion Control is a cockpit based control, is it not?
SPV is internal and autonomous(mostly).
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Motion control is a bit hard for me to understand. In some literature, it sounds like an externally adjustable bump threshold, but in other literature it sounds more like a fancy lockout... its adjustable on the fly, but from what I have read you can setup the fork and forget it pretty much.

So far, most of the reviews of the Reba on MTBR are very negative about its reliability. It sounds like another SID-like reliability fiasco, but I'm willing to give Rockshox a chance since its early in production.
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I dont know i think my SID is very reliable. THe reviews show it
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2004_fro...t_122940.shtml
Look at the 05 Rebas though, they have good reviews.
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2005_fro...t_124429.shtml
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2005_fro...t_124427.shtml
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2005_fro...t_124428.shtml
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I've seen some pretty good reviews of the SPV evolve being thrown around... I know the Skareb Platinum is pretty darned light. Not quite SID-light, but very light in its own right. Both look to be pretty good forks, but in your case I'd almost lean towards the Skareb because you said it has bosses so you can run V's.
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I dont trust Manitou or Rockshox... reputation isnt all that great...
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I trust Rock Shox their reputation is just fine
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I know quite a few people who have blown seals..
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I know quite a few people who have blown seals..
I can say the same for just about any fork.
http://www.enduroforkseals.com/index.html
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I know quite a few people who have blown seals..
Taking the blown seals approach I see, remember the amount of maitenance put into the fork reflects on how long the fork performs without a major overhaul.
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I dont trust Manitou or Rockshox... reputation isnt all that great...
Curious, ever use either?

I am a Marzochi fan bigtime, but the newer freeride stuff coming from manitou is awesome. Take a little more maintenance, but the spv evolve is an incredible feelign system that really does everything it says it does. Been very happy with my slider.
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All I know is when Mark Hendershot of the Santa Cruz Syndicate finished one of his 24hr races, he had gone through several Rockshox SID's... he brought them in a pile into the shop I was working for at that time. Not very impressive. In fact, I can think of a lot more people with broken RS stuff than Manitou stuff. And currently, the Reba seems to be falling apart after 2-3 rides (positive chamber bleeds into the negative it seems). I'm thinking Manitou at this point, the more I read about Rockshox track record.
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Motion control is a bit hard for me to understand. In some literature, it sounds like an externally adjustable bump threshold, but in other literature it sounds more like a fancy lockout... its adjustable on the fly, but from what I have read you can setup the fork and forget it pretty much.
pretty much it. external compression damping threshold adjust. fully locked out, to fully open, and anywhere in between to set the bump threshold to activate the shock. it is adjustable on the fly, but i can't give any info on how well the handlebar activated stuff actually works, as i went for the topp of the fork leg adjuster route. feels wonderful; i've not noticed any lag in suspension action, unlike what i've heard about some of the SPV stuff.

i've got a pike team (same "guts" as the reba, just beefier/more travel/20mm/disc only) and i love it. great right out of the box for me, other than a few tweaks. no experience with any of the manitou offerings.

tough call. i'd say you couldn't really go bad with either. any way to test them out through your shop? (if i remember right, you work at a shop, yeah?)

set and forget is right. i messed with my rebound control the first ride, and haen't had to since. the lockout/motion control i ride with off most of the time, but when i want it, just tun the dial, and it's right where i want it with the floodgate adjuster thing. FWIW, the travel adjust works great as well, though i've only used it a little bit. it's more of a set it at the start of the long climb type of thing though, as it isn't an instant on/off type of thing.
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There is a joke in that somewhere......something about a Penguin and a Auto repair mechanic.......
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Which is better? Discuss amongst yourselfs...

Specifically looking at the Rockshox Reba Team and the Manitou Skareb Platinum for this upcoming race season. I'm leaning towards the Manitou because it does have V-Brake bosses so I won't have to upgrade my front end to disc, but I'm also curious which technology works better... and can't find many reviews yet.
How's the rigid fork work out for ya

I haven't any problems with my SID yet, but it's only been a season. When I change the oil inside, I will swap the seals for Enduro Seals
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I have enduro fork seals on my sid, and holy crap they are amazing. I took the SID apart to check for dirt inside (just to test and see if these seals are that good) and they are. I know some people who complain about the fork wiper seals on rock shox, but think of this also. Enduro fork seals, not only being superior to any and all wiper seals out there, are actually 5 dollars less including shipping than OEM seals! ANd i think this thing with rock shox stuff breaking down is a lot more BS then truth
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i think this thing with rock shox stuff breaking down is a lot more BS then truth

The more popular a product is, the more failures there will be even if the product is more reliable than its competitors. I'm glad that I didn't buy into the hype that SIDs are terrible forks because I like mine much more than any of my friends' forks.

Take the IPOD for example, if you browse most ipod forums, most of the threads are people asking how to fix their ipod. Does it mean the ipod is an inferior product, no. There are just more people out there that dont know how to use it properly.
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Look at it this way... Let's say product A sells 100,000 and has a 3% failure rate... that's 3000 failures. On the other hand, product B sells 12,000 and has a 5% failure rate. That's only 600 failures but percentage wise it's higher. To the average person, though, product A will appear to be more failure prone.
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How's the rigid fork work out for ya
The rigid is sweet, and I vastly prefer it for like 90% of my riding, but in an XC race situation suspension really helps me out on the downhills. When its just me and I'm tooling down the trail, the rigid is really nice.
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I cant see why folks complain about SIDs really, its good for whats its ment for. never had a problem, i got mine for 140 but it was leaking air on the negative side, it was just a valve core. The core actually had NO rubber seal! I found this odd, but since then i cant say enough, you have so much modulation i dont think i will ever use coils. But also its worth knowing, its definantly not a fork for a heavy rider, some complain about the flex. But its also super light so you make your choices. I would definantly go with another Rock shox, and they have very good customer support.
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i wouldn't think RS products are as worse as other people said. (probably i am lucky 145lbs 5'7")
i previous own a 3rd hand of SID 02'SL and have no fork seals problem. Pushing it to it's limit with 3' jump no problem all over the year.

I brought a Reba Race 2months ago. photo behind my rig(the red bike) use a minute3 with SPV(not evo) , i would find Reba is more convinence that it has cockpit control(adjust externally) vs. minute SPV has to reply of air pressure to adjust the threshold valve. So you don't have to stop and pump up the SPV pressure. And the motion control is very tunnable, 2 clicks on the knob you can feel the slight difference.

i'll lock up(using proloc) with adjustable threshold valve to do some decend trails. It's sweet, stiff and very plush. My rig with the new toy (photo2)- Reba Race w/o remote.

photo1 with SID http://paintedover.com/uploads/show....img_9486_1.jpg
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So... is the Motion Control like an SPV setup then? I know what SPV does, and how it works, but Rockshox's explanations of Motion Control have left me really confused. If I am standing over the front, hammering on a hill, will it bob? Does it lockout automatically on the flats? I'm still really unclear as to what it does.

I'm still stuck between the two forks, since the Manitou costs significantly more (about $100), but has mounts for my V-brakes. I do have a disc hub laying around that I could build onto a 317 I have laying around, but then I'm looking at $70 for a front disc, and quality spokes, so that would almost negate any savings with the Rockshox. I can't understand why RS would create a fairly lightweight XC race fork, without brake bosses.
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i wouldn't think RS products are as worse as other people said. (probably i am lucky 145lbs 5'7")
I'm easily 100 pounds heavier and I've never had an issue with my Duke.
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