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    Upgrade what I have or move to a F/S

    Ok, so I know you guys hate when people post new threads about which bike but I think I have some what of a legit question. I posted a thread the other day about upgrading the fork on my Jamis exile 29er. I have narrowed down my choices and am looking at about $400. I did some looking today and found this:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    This bike seems really tempting to me but I also know that you get what you pay for. And I don't know a whole lot about the diamondback brand. Is it comparable to my entry level Jamis? Is it about the same as the bikes on BD? I think I could sell my Jamis on CL and then take the $400 I have planned for a fork and get this or would I be better off just upgrading what I have. Thanks in advance.

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    Save up a bit more money. The cheapest FS bike worth owning will have either platform or lockout shock and an adjustable air fork. From the bike you linked, that's the Recoil Pro. The $1200 asking price is not bad at all, considering the Trek Fuel Ex 5 is often considered one of the best sub-$2,000 full suspension bikes and it's ~$1,850.

    BD has a dizzying array of options that I'm not going to bother picking through.

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    Nothing wrong with DB bikes but that is an entry level FS bike which usually = bad idea. Entry level hard tails are fine but you really don't want a cheap lowtech FS frame. You would still have alot of upgrading to do with that bike and in the end you would still have a low tech outdated FS frame.

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    That would be part of the presumed value in buying the Trek Fuel EX 5 instead.

    However, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that an aluminum single pivot Diamondback frame is really that much different from an aluminum single pivot Trek frame.

    Certainly, more advanced rear suspension linkages are beneficial. And maybe the Trek is designed slightly better. But I doubt it's actually manufactured better, most likely they are very similar.

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    Thanks guys. I am actually not opposed to jumping up to the pro for the $350 extra. I cant find much on it. I did read some things about frames cracking at the welds on the 2010 models but I think it was the sport model. Like anyone, I would hate to spend the $1200 and then have problems with the frame. It will pretty much be a blind purchase as no one in my area sells DB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_allison510 View Post
    And I don't know a whole lot about the diamondback brand. Is it comparable to my entry level Jamis?
    Both Diamondback and Jamis are what I refer to as 'second-tier' LBS bikes - - brands that legitimate bike shops carry to give them a price-point selection below their more expensive flagship brands. Although DB's distribution seems a bit less controlled than Jamis - - in that you'll see their entry-level models in big box sporting goods stores.


    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    The cheapest FS bike worth owning will have either platform or lockout shock . . .
    I'll take issue with that. A decent rear suspension design usually negates the need for either - - especially lockout, which (IMO) is the most overrated, unnecessary feature that exists in rear shocks. The cheapest FS worth owning (again MO) is the Giant Yukon FX, which has neither Giant's Maestro linkage nor a platform shock. Probably not the most efficient single-pivot design to be fully-active but a worthy bike nonetheless.

    But I do agree that there are probably better candidates than the DB linked above.

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    You don't give any indication of where you are or where you ride or how you ride. It is impossible to give you any meaningful advice about whether you will be better off with a HT or a FS bike without that basic information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    I'll take issue with that. A decent rear suspension design usually negates the need for either - - especially lockout, which (IMO) is the most overrated, unnecessary feature that exists in rear shocks. The cheapest FS worth owning (again MO) is the Giant Yukon FX, which has neither Giant's Maestro linkage nor a platform shock. Probably not the most efficient single-pivot design to be fully-active but a worthy bike nonetheless.
    Extended climbs are a pain on a single-pivot bike without a shock that locks out or has platform. That's where I was coming from-- the bob will suck the life right out of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Mitch View Post
    You don't give any indication of where you are or where you ride or how you ride. It is impossible to give you any meaningful advice about whether you will be better off with a HT or a FS bike without that basic information.
    I knew I missed something Mitch. Thanks. I am in the Panhandle of Texas. I do most of my riding at Palo Duro Canyon state park. Nothing real crazy like up in the mountains but there are some decent trails. I do take some trips to southern Colorado once or twice a year as well. I will be the first to admit that I probably don't need a fs bike. It is more of a want. That being said. I stopped by one of my lbs today and found a Kona Hei Hei. http://2k12.konaworld.com/29er_dual_...nt=hei_hei_2-9 It is a 2012 close out on sale for $1400. I know as much about Kona as I do about DB. is it worth the extra $200 over the DB Pro. Is Kona a "second-tier" as well? Thanks again guys.

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    I like Kona. It may not be a Santa Cruz but it will do fine in the real world. Here's a link to a review of that bike http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/29er-f...1_7787crx.aspx. They give it 4 1/2 out of 5. It is on the 'cross country' end of the FS mountain bike scale which is probably just what you need. You can lock out the rear shock so the comments pro and con that don't really matter (I happen to like it for climbing). If it fits you well and feels good then go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    A decent rear suspension design usually negates the need for either - - especially lockout, which (IMO) is the most overrated, unnecessary feature that exists in rear shocks. The cheapest FS worth owning (again MO) is the Giant Yukon FX, which has neither Giant's Maestro linkage nor a platform shock. Probably not the most efficient single-pivot design to be fully-active but a worthy bike nonetheless..
    I agree with that. I never use my lockout, really, and I have a single-pivot bike (linkage-activated, but single-pivot nonetheless). Has ProPedal, but even with ProPedal off, it climbs like a billy goat on steroids. Especially compared to my hardtail, which is, obviously, effectively locked-out at all times. IMO bike geometry makes a bigger difference in how well a bike will climb than lockout, so if extended climbs are the issue, look at the geometry before whether or not the bike has lock-out.

    I don't use the lock-out on my fork either...and I don't miss it on the bike with no lock-out.

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    I actually just bought a used DB sortie 29er frame/fork combo off ebay but haven't received it yet but if I was going DB and I am that is the frame I'd go for. It still isn't super high end but it is suppose to be good. They start at about $2k as a complete bike but I've seen them as low as $1500 on sale. The Kona is ok but again it has a lowerend fork and rear shock. My friend has a Jamis Exile something with a rock shox recon silver and likes it quiet a bit. I don't know what shock you have but upgrading it to something good for $400 and sticking with a hard tail would be my choice. If you have a suntour shock you can take advantage of their upgrade program and get one of their good shocks for fairly cheap too. If you really want to go FS then I'd go used.
    http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1274730/
    Something like that may not be bad though the fact he didn't bother to clean it before taking the pics is a bit troubling lol

    oh and I'm upgrading from an old 2003 gary fisher sugar 29er FS bike that bobs like crazy. Having a simple rear suspension design and a shock without a lockout or propedal has gotten old. I'm hoping the DB sortie with pro-pedal and a lockout will do a lot better. Hoping I won't need to use either of those options most of the time but on a long climb I"m sure they will come in handy.
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