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View Poll Results: How should questions about $500 Mountain Bikes be handled?
ONLY refer them to the $500 sticky and no other response. 4 7.55%
Refer them to the $500 sticky and ALSO give them a reply. 38 71.70%
Don't refer them to the sticky and give them any advice you can. 7 13.21%
Ignore any of these questions. I am sick of them and only care about myself. 4 7.55%
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Old 04-10-05, 12:50 PM   #1
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I think it is OK to have a $500 MTB Thread as a compilation of questions and answers about Mountain Bikes in the $500 price range. However, I don't think it should serve as a subsitute for replies to posts regarding questions about bikes in this price range.

IOW, I am getting irritated with every poster that asks a question about a $500 Mountain Bike getting a link to the $500 thread and nothing else. Again, i think it is ok to refer them to the thread but what is wrong with answering their questions? Espescially since many of the posters are newbies.

The $500 Thread is far from efficient. It is difficult to glean the wheat from the chaff. The search function on this forum is not discriminating enough to be able to search a given thread and get answers as efficiently as you could from a real time post.

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Agreed.

I would also like to eliminate the lengthy thread itself and instead do what we did with the freeride hardtails and potentially create a list of 500$ bikes. Discussion can occur elsewhere. The thread is becoming unmanageable as it is in its current incarnation. If you don't feel the need to help people looking for 500$ bikes don't respond, no biggy really.

I have been thinking of this for a while as the thread did serve a purpose but is now unreasonable to assume people will search for direct comparisons in that thread.
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Yeah, I think it would help to make a list in the first page so they know what they're looking at.
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Maelstrom,

That certainly makes more sense. The ultimate solution is to have a compilation of bikes, with corresponding reviews and NO OFF TOPIC CHIT CHAT. IOW, basically what MTBreview.com has to offer. Maybe just start giving people a link to MTBreview makes more sense. At least they get to go and read some info on a particular bike instead of reading what someone had for breakfast, or what they are watching on TV, etc. like we presently find in the $500 sticky. (exageration for illustrative purposes )
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Woot, I too thought of the $500 MTB thread being replaced as it is 19 pages too long.

A comprehensive list and little blurb of review would be much more efficient.

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That certainly makes more sense. The ultimate solution is to have a compilation of bikes, with corresponding reviews and NO OFF TOPIC CHIT CHAT. IOW, basically what MTBreview.com has to offer. Maybe just start giving people a link to MTBreview makes more sense. At least they get to go and read some info on a particular bike instead of reading what someone had for breakfast, or what they are watching on TV, etc. like we presently find in the $500 sticky. (exageration for illustrative purposes )
I did try to keep up with the thread. The first 8 or 9 pages are pretty lean. But its tough when I happen to work full time too ...

I will run it by the other mods. I think the thread has been useful in eliminating some posts, so I wouldn't want to see it gone. I like the idea of a listing with links to mtbreview.com...hmmmm again I will run it by the other mods.

And i agree, if you don't feel like responding to a 500$ posting, don't. I don't simply because I know nothing about the bikes, so my 2cents is about as valuable as a canadian coin.
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I think the thread has been useful for cutting down on the number of posts as well. However, one has to ask whether those people that would normally be posting the "famous question" are getting it answered or if they are simply getting run off.
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The $500 thread helped me a lot even though it was painful to read through 17+ pages (3 times). It is a useful tool and it can probably be trimmed down.

To answer the question regarding whether or not to answer someone directy or to just send them on to the $500 thread. I think both should be done. If someone is asking about a $500 bike then it usually means they're looking to start in the sport and are new to the forum. If you blow off a newbie then they don't feel welcomed. Answer the question and send them off to the $500 thread stating that there is a lot more information there.

I think the $500 thead should also contain links/information regarding the reason why an x-mart bike should be avoided and why a duel-suspension at that price point should be avoided.
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Its a wild bush that needs a triming desperately. After the first 3 pages I said screw it. You cant find anything, there needs to be a nice organized system. I mean you tell a terrified newbie "go to the 500 mtb thread". Then they have to sort through 15+ pages
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Make it a closed sticky with a list, links, reasons why you shouldnt buy an x-mart bike, and tell them to go try out which bike fits them best. Assort them into price ranges like the freeride hardtail thread, bullets and all, 400-500, 500-600, etc.

Label it "getting a new bike" or similar.
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Come to think of it, we should make one topic for that purpose, instead of two or more...

We could have all the bikes in a list, and next to the name of each bike is a rating for what kind of use would be recommended for it, and a price.

Although, do we really want to list all bikes known to man? Maybe it should just be cheap hardtails and freeride bikes
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Chances are, everyone will be too lazy to do this.
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Well, from a newbie's point of view, I have to say that after spending about an hour reading all 19 pages of that thread, I was still confused. There IS some good info in there, espeically about discs at that price point, but alot of it was unrelated chit chat.

I posted a new thread about bikes in that category, and was refered to the $500 thread, but my question WAS also answered in my post, which I appreciate.

I think that with a thread that long, alot of questions will get lost, because I doubt that the people who could answer them are checking that thread everyday. That is the reason I started a new thread. I also posted my question in "ThreadZilla", and was actually surprised to get a few responses. I did however get much more info in the thread that I started.

I think that it might be a good idea to complie alot of that info into some sort of spreadsheet or tech article, with maybe some comparisons of different components found at this level. I thinkthat would be helpful to newbs, as I think that most people looking for bikes in this price range aren't very knowledgeable about the things to look for when buying a bike.I know that I'm not. Last bike I bought was almost ten years ago, I'm so out of touch with the current bikes and technology that it's not even funny.
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Make it a closed sticky with a list, links, reasons why you shouldnt buy an x-mart bike, and tell them to go try out which bike fits them best. Assort them into price ranges like the freeride hardtail thread, bullets and all, 400-500, 500-600, etc.

Label it "getting a new bike" or similar.
Great points.

In addition what I learned is that it's best to choose a good local LBS first and this is the best way to start the search for a bike.
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Making it a closed sticky would be OK if someone were willing to quit their job and compile the various lists. On top of that they would have to keep updating it. Having spent a lot of times on various forums, I can say that the people are what makes it go. People answering questions is what drives a forum.

Maybe there should just be a generic closed sticky that lists the bikes in that pricepoint and maybe a few links to places like MTBreview.com, etc. When a newbie pops in and says, "new to sport. which bike should i get." They should be referred to the sticky that states.... "you have just asked one of the most popular questions on bikeforums.net. This question was asked so much that we have compiled a list of bikes and what their uses and price ranges are. Please don't be afraid to ask questions but please only do so after reading this post."

Then maybe we could still eliminate a bunch of the questions and still people that have honest questions might get them answered. After all, that is sort of the reason for having a forum like this. At least it is one of them. The frustrating part is when a newbie comes in and it seems like he is asking for somebody to not only select the bike for him but also buy it and then help him ride it.

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that sounds pretty good to me. this would definitely be a massive undertaking but I think the information conatained therein would be so valuable to new comers. It almost seems like a downloadable pamphlet in pdf form might be better, though I don't know how. I was kind of throwing that idea out there to get people thinking some more. Something does need to be done though, I look at that thread and every time it surprises me how big it is. I think mtbr reviews and company URLs would be key though. The good lbs is also a very good point.
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Im a noobie, and once I saw how many pages were in that thread, I said "ouch "
Pretty hard to weed out useful info from the off topic posts. I really like the idea of somehow cutting it down, to where its just all good solid info. Maybe something like...

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Specialized Blah blah ....................... 2.5million $320
Trek blah blah ................................ 35 $430
kona blah blah ................................ 64 $490
Prices not valid... of course.

Or I dont know. Maybe a top 10 list? Just so we know what most people are riding, tried and proven.
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I say answer their question; don't just point them elsewhere.

If you don't want to answer the question and be helpful, DO NOT POST. If it's your opinion that a thread is redundant, why add to it with a worthless response? If you think a question is stupid, why waste your prescious time by submitting a post that states just that? Some forum members have forgotten, you don't need to answer every thread. As crazy as it seems, you don't even need to read every thread. In fact, unless you have something constructive to add, it's probably best that you don't answer the thread.

And these suggestions don't just apply to $500 bike questions. They apply to every single thread in this forum.
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I like vertigo's idea, you could make a poll out of that for a quick reference
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I say answer their question; don't just point them elsewhere.

If you don't want to answer the question and be helpful, DO NOT POST. If it's your opinion that a thread is redundant, why add to it with a worthless response? If you think a question is stupid, why waste your prescious time by submitting a post that states just that? Some forum members have forgotten, you don't need to answer every thread. As crazy as it seems, you don't even need to read every thread. In fact, unless you have something constructive to add, it's probably best that you don't answer the thread.

And these suggestions don't just apply to $500 bike questions. They apply to every single thread in this forum.
While I agree in theory, this forum gets slammed BAD with posts. I remember coming in and being two full pages (I have a 30 post view) with mostly which bike to get and all bikes were 300 to 600$...
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Well if someone would give me editing power in that thread I would trim it back. However I do NOT want to see 15 bazillion "I have $500 what bike should I get? or "This bike vs. That bike" because someone is to damn lazy to do a bit of reading / searching on a topic that's been hashed and rehashed over and over.
How many "Trek 4300" threads do we honestly need anyway?
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I think there could be that thread where all wahts alllowed is a bike under or around 500 dollars. And to please the crowd, make another thread that lets you discuss so people can say all the comments they want.
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How many "Trek 4300" threads do we honestly need anyway?
I say we need as many as we get. It seems to me that based on the poll so far, most people are OK with giving a reply as well as referring them to the dreaded sticky. Your intolerance for these threads is well noted. However it appears that most folks aren't all that irritated with them.

Sending newbies to the $500 MTB sticky is the equivilant of telling them to "get lost!" Basically that is really all that can happen if they go there. Just giving newbies asking for bike advice a link only reply is not good.

What if they just gave a link to Park Tool for every time someone asked how to adjust their rear derailleur in the Mechanics forum? For that matter why not just have one home page for Bike Forums with nothing but a link to Sheldon Brown, Park Tool, Nashbar, Performance and Icebike. Then nobody would need to type anything. Just link, link, link.

Did you vote for the last option?

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For that matter why not just have one home page for Bike Forums with nothing but a link to Sheldon Brown, Park Tool, Nashbar, Performance and Icebike. Then nobody would need to type anything. Just link, link, link.
My vote for Post of the Day. Good point, Ranger.
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I say we need as many as we get. It seems to me that based on the poll so far, most people are OK with giving a reply as well as referring them to the dreaded sticky. Your intolerance for these threads is well noted. However it appears that most folks aren't all that irritated with them.
Most of the respondants are newbies themselves who have no IDEA how many we used to get
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Sending newbies to the $500 MTB sticky is the equivilant of telling them to "get lost!" Basically that is really all that can happen if they go there. Just giving newbies asking for bike advice a link only reply is not good.
What so you don't think that people should have to use a readily estabilshed resource with ALL the answers that they seek? They need to do some leg work THEN they should ask questions
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What if they just gave a link to Park Tool for every time someone asked how to adjust their rear derailleur in the Mechanics forum?
Why spend the time explaining a simple task 50,000,000,000 times when you can send them to a site that will provide the EXACT same info AND detailed pictures? I'd rather send someone off site to get the correct info thaen have him listen to some newbie telling him to "bash it wit a hammer til it werk gud"
I'd much rather spend the time helping someone out with an unusual problem than some run of the mill crap
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