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    i don't want to use my xc bike for anything very big so i want to convert my back up bike to be my "big" bike. it is 1993 Cannondale M800 "Beast of the East" set up. currently the only major changes from it's stock package or how i bought it is a SPIN rear mag rim (Spin is no longer in business) and XTR V-brakes (new within the last 3 months). it still has the Pepproni fork so it is completely rigid. I do not want to spend $1K worth of upgrades/conversions on her so I was figuring a new front fork (here is where I start to need your help) but what else? what fork should i get (does the job, reliable, doesn't break the bank, etc)? should i do anything with the drive train (single chain ring and such up front?). for all the other components it still has pretty much everything it came with deore LX pretty much throughout (cranks, levers, shifters, derailers, etc.). i want to be able to do some bigger stuff with it so any and all suggestions are welcomed. but please keep cost in mind. for instance spending $800 on a front fork is out of the question. i would really like to spend under $800 for the total conversion and more or less around $500. thanks in advance for all of your suggestions and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    i don't want to use my xc bike for anything very big so i want to convert my back up bike to be my "big" bike. it is 1993 Cannondale M800 "Beast of the East" set up. currently the only major changes from it's stock package or how i bought it is a SPIN rear mag rim (Spin is no longer in business) and XTR V-brakes (new within the last 3 months). it still has the Pepproni fork so it is completely rigid. I do not want to spend $1K worth of upgrades/conversions on her so I was figuring a new front fork (here is where I start to need your help) but what else? what fork should i get (does the job, reliable, doesn't break the bank, etc)? should i do anything with the drive train (single chain ring and such up front?). for all the other components it still has pretty much everything it came with deore LX pretty much throughout (cranks, levers, shifters, derailers, etc.). i want to be able to do some bigger stuff with it so any and all suggestions are welcomed. but please keep cost in mind. for instance spending $800 on a front fork is out of the question. i would really like to spend under $800 for the total conversion and more or less around $500. thanks in advance for all of your suggestions and help.
    I'm honestly not sure what fork you could put on that that wouldn't totally screw the handling. It's a 93 and came rigid chances any of the commonly availiable forks would throw the geometry so out of whack it wouldn't be fun to ride any more. (Depending on how you define "fun")

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    oh yeah, i am 5' 10" and right around 180 Lbs if that makes any difference.

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    you really think it would screw the geometry up that much? i don't mean throwing a hard core downhill shock on the front but just make the bike more functional as a freeride/all mountain type set up, as best as i can or as much as possible (again with cost in mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    you really think it would screw the geometry up that much? i don't mean throwing a hard core downhill shock on the front but just make the bike more functional as a freeride/all mountain type set up, as best as i can or as much as possible (again with cost in mind).
    Your bike wasn't designed to have ANY suspension so putting a minimal fork (by today's standards) of say 80mm will raise the front end angle by several degrees which will hose your handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    i want to be able to do some bigger stuff with it so any and all suggestions are welcomed. but please keep cost in mind. for instance spending $800 on a front fork is out of the question. i would really like to spend under $800 for the total conversion and more or less around $500. thanks in advance for all of your suggestions and help.
    I think you could get a 80 mm travel fork and not screw up the geometry that bad, but either way I don't think that will serve your purpose. If you want to use the bike to do bigger stuff, you would want greater than 100mm travel, and that your bike could not cope with.

    a. Ride the bike rigid and love it.

    b. Get a new bike designed for bigger hits that will accomodate a long travel fork. That type of bike is not my bag baby, but there are a lot of guys on here that could reccomend a hardtail frame and fork (or bike) for some freeriding fun for not much more than you have budgeted for upgrade.

    smell you later

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    Yea Raiyn is right here. You could probably get away with 80mm but unless your going for a new frame all together i would just stick with your rigid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    I think you could get a 80 mm travel fork and not screw up the geometry that bad,
    80mm would have been a Downhill fork in '93. His frame won't take it. Actually what size headset is that? That may negate the entire conversation

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    lOl yea thats true. Suspension seems to be relatively new. In that case, for the cash ide just get a new bike for offroad that has todays standards attached to it.
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    If it is a normal sized headset, measure the A/C height of your rigid and compare to the newer smallish forks. Manitou tends to have pretty short forks...

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    d@mn! things aren't sounding so good for me.

    i am pretty sure that it is an inch and a quarter stem.

    getting a new bike is pretty much out of the question. i won't get into what was spent on my XC bike (less than three weeks ago) but it is pretty disgusting. so again buying a new bike is just not going to happen.

    i guess i will just use it as is and without any suspension up front. there were lots of shocks for bikes when I bought mine. in fact both my brother and best friend bought suspension forks for their M800's as well back then but i never did at the time. is it that they are no longer making anything functional for my bike's geometry or is it that what would be available for my bike without screwing up the geometry isn't going to serve my purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    is it that they are no longer making anything functional for my bike's geometry or is it that what would be available for my bike without screwing up the geometry isn't going to serve my purpose?
    Both, but more so the latter. Why not take the money that you were going to use and get a new bike that you can gradually upgrade? Plus chances are you could swap out the new pieces that you got onto the new bike.

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    i truly do appreciate the help so please don't take what follows the wrong way . . . why is it always the first answer or the easiest answer to "buy a new bike"? my shock is bottoming out? answer: your shock is obsolete so buy a new bike. my cranks are squeeking? answer: oh you got brand X, buy a new bike. my seat is uncomfortable? answer: that's because your seat doesn't have titanium rails, buy a new bike. yes i am exagerrating on this but seriously look at how many times people throw out "buy a new bike" as the solution to so many threads or posts here.

    ok that all being said maybe buying a new bike is in fact the solution or the answer in this case. this frame and bike set up is essentially over 10 years old. so then with that in mind what kind of freeride frame and shock set up should i get? what kind of set up can be bought for somewhere around $500? if i can't make what i have or convert what i have to be functional for me then what set up should i do? again thanks for all of your input and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    i truly do appreciate the help so please don't take what follows the wrong way . . . why is it always the first answer or the easiest answer to "buy a new bike"? my shock is bottoming out? answer: your shock is obsolete so buy a new bike. my cranks are squeeking? answer: oh you got brand X, buy a new bike. my seat is uncomfortable? answer: that's because your seat doesn't have titanium rails, buy a new bike. yes i am exagerrating on this but seriously look at how many times people throw out "buy a new bike" as the solution to so many threads or posts here.
    Because often the bike in question is either too old or is a lower end model that it doesn't make financial sense to upgrade it, when a new bike bought for the same money or a bit more will offer equivelant or BETTER performance and makes more sense to upgrade further
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9

    ok that all being said maybe buying a new bike is in fact the solution or the answer in this case. this frame and bike set up is essentially over 10 years old. so then with that in mind what kind of freeride frame and shock set up should i get? what kind of set up can be bought for somewhere around $500? if i can't make what i have or convert what i have to be functional for me then what set up should i do? again thanks for all of your input and help.
    This is a bit more but would be a nice step in the right direction. http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkM...keTab=techspec
    It's enough of a step above the Comp model to make it worthwhile to look at.

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    cool. i am already a huge fan of specialized especially after getting my new xc. but that link is a full bike set up correct? if i am transferring my components over i would rather spend that kind of money on a frame and fork set without the components and have more money in the heart and soul of the bike (frame and forks). you know what i mean?

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    Yep...makes no sense to put a brand new stereo in a Model T. If your other stuff works fine, then maybe get only a frame. BUt a frame that will accept suspension
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    As I read it it has stock 1993 LX components on it which don't even stack up to Alivio these days The only new part that I saw was the XTR V brakes which won't do you much good on a Freeride bike. I'd say leave the old bike as is and get a complete new one

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    I love keeping old bikes alive believe me. I hate buying new bikes just to buy new bikes. but your old bike is not designed to be your big hit bike. Keep it and ride xc with it. But don't expect to put a long travel fork on it and do drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    I love keeping old bikes alive believe me. I hate buying new bikes just to buy new bikes. but your old bike is not designed to be your big hit bike. Keep it and ride xc with it. But don't expect to put a long travel fork on it and do drops.
    i already have a ridiculous XC bike so there is no point in keeping it just for that. i guess i will keep it around as a back up for friends to ride or something and get a proper freeride bike next year or if i see a used or demo bike pop up either online or locally.

    thanks.

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    convert it to a singlespeed then and give the old bike some new life. One can never have too many bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    i already have a ridiculous XC bike so there is no point in keeping it just for that. i guess i will keep it around as a back up for friends to ride or something and get a proper freeride bike next year or if i see a used or demo bike pop up either online or locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    convert it to a singlespeed then and give the old bike some new life. One can never have too many bikes.
    what would the point be in converting it to single speed? i am serious, i really don't know why this would be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    what would the point be in converting it to single speed? i am serious, i really don't know why this would be a good idea.
    Give it a try. You'll be surprised how often you end up grabbing it when you want to go for a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan 9
    what would the point be in converting it to single speed? i am serious, i really don't know why this would be a good idea.
    Why Singlespeed? The chicks dig it! and your legs will grow to enormous proportions!!

    your hair will stop thinning and develop a healthy shine, you teeth will get whiter, and it also serves as a natural male enhancement. There are too many reasons to list here actually.

    did I mention that the chicks dig it!
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    LOL!!! thanks again guys. i really appreciate all the help. these forums have been very helpful to me.

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