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Old 04-15-05, 09:15 PM   #1
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help a newb

can you help a newb? i need tips on getting over large rocks on a small trail.
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Old 04-15-05, 09:17 PM   #2
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How large is large? Is this one big rock smack in the middle of a trail? Is it a rock garden or what
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Old 04-15-05, 09:20 PM   #3
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first, its a rock garden with lots of small rocks(just big enough to stop ur tire if ur goin slow) with ones about knee height every five feet or so.

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Well, you want to keep more weight in back for smaller rock areas. When I encounter a rock of a sort of smallish size and i dont feel like going around it I usually "bunny hop". I put that in quotes becuase:
A. Im using clipless so its cheating big time
b. I cant do hop very high at all even when cheating

But if its a little bigger you can lift your front end off the ground and over, i then either lift the back end with the bunny hop motion or just go. THe rear wheel will go right over.
BUt i dont encounter many of these like you are. Im no expert so im sure others can give a better piece of advice.
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Old 04-15-05, 09:39 PM   #5
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thanks. any more sudgestions?
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Old 04-15-05, 09:51 PM   #6
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I want to expand on what phantomcow said.

Pretend you're coming up on a bench, knee height. You want coast up to the bench pretty slow, so you have time to excecute the following steps.

1. When you are about a wheelbase's length away from the bench, you want to give it a good hard pedal stroke in an easy gear so you kind of wheelie your front wheel onto the bench. Have your "good" foot rearward, so it can have a full rotation, hopefully, it will only take one.

2. Now your front wheel is on the bench, and you have some forward momentum from the pedal stroke. Lean all your weight forward, as in, over the bars.

3. As the rear wheel touches the bench, push all your weight forward- so as to deweight the rear. In doing this, assuming you have enough momentum, your rear wheel should theoretically surmount the bench. It helps to have clipless pedals for this, so you can use your feet to lift the rear.

You probably don't want to try this on a knee high bench if you're just learning. The same principle applies to a curb- try that. Also, pretty much any trials site will be able to explain this better than me, give them a shot.
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Old 04-15-05, 09:57 PM   #7
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I have another thread posted(help on buuny hopping) does anybody even think this is super important. or am i just crazy.
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is bunny hoping important? Well I think having the capability to lift your entire bike off the ground is, if you can bunny hop then you have control over your bike as a whole which I believe is very handy. If you have clipless then that works too
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Another newbie here...

"A. Im using clipless so its cheating big time
b. I cant do hop very high at all even when cheating"""

Why is it 'cheating' to have clipless pedals? Does it make it easier to lift the bike off the ground?

Clipless pedals are just standard bike pedals, and pedals w/clips snap onto shoes? Or am I being ********?

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to my knowledge a regular pedal you would find on most bikes will be called a platform, Clipless refers to the fact that the way people used to attach their feet to the pedals was through toe-clips, or clips. A plastic or metal strap that went around your foot longways, from the bottom over the toe and then was tightened with a strap. So clipless refers to pedals that you attach your feet to the bike with, but without clips. You snap in and twist out of clipless pedals and they take special shoes.
It's cheating because your feet are completely attached to the pedal so there is a lot less skill involved in using your feet to lift up your bike, all you have to do is jump and lift your legs while someone without clipless would have to readjust their feet or use an entirely different technique.
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cool. i was wonderin about that too. thanx guys
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clipless means the pedal and shoe are united. Its cheating my opinion because i see these guys who cna bunny hop 1-2 feet up with regular pedals. And even with my feet attached i cant do it, its supposed to be much easier with clipless too
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It all makes sense now. Thanks guys.

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it really matters if there are a bunch of of large rocks or just one
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Bunny hopping at a fairly slow speed in the dirt around a rock garden will be nearly impossible. Can you go around the obstacles? Sometimes that is your best bet. Can you take a pic of the obstacles the next time you ride?
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In a situation like this it really depends on the kind of rider you are. In a rock garden, you have the safe clean slow line, fast clean and dually fast. Duallys don't require navigation, you pick the fastest line and worry more about the turn at the end of the rock garden or big ole boulders that could cause serious pain. The other two apply to you. Which are you looking for. Fastest possible line down thats still safe, of the safest possible line down not worrying about speed. 2 things to keep in mind, the faster you go the less problems you will likely have. The more your wheels are moving the more traction you will have allowing you to navigate.

Thats a really complicated way of saying each type of rider has his or her own way of making it down. If the rock garden is small you might find riders who look for a rock at the front of the garden and hit it with enough speed to jump the whole thing. Personally I can't go slow through a rock garden, its actually too dangerous. Its a lot easier to carry momentum, pick the cleanest possible line and just ride it out, making small body adjustments.
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the thing is is that i want to go over it. there is an alternate route, but its just flat and no fun at all. i want to get better.
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show a pic...rock formations and how you ride them all change with the way the terrain is layed out
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i cant show a pic. Im not sure how
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Go fast, and lean back. If you can get the front wheel over, then the back will (hopefully) follow. If the rocks are too big to just roll over, bunnyhop over them? Go round them?
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