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Old 07-17-07, 08:57 AM   #1
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copper triangle?

http://www.coppertriangle.com/ anyone doing this?
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$115.00 bucks for registration. Anyone else find that a little high?
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yeah but the jersey is included
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I wanted to but I have family in town. Instead I will be riding the buffalo classic in Boulder on 9/9/06
Can't seem to fit any other organized rides into my schedule besides that one.
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I'm out of town that weekend. Thinking about doing the Buffalo Classic as well.
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I wanted to but I have family in town. Instead I will be riding the buffalo classic in Boulder on 9/9/06
Can't seem to fit any other organized rides into my schedule besides that one.

+1 on Buffalo Classic. Looks like we'll be riding together...again.
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I'm a maybe for the CT (telenick are you going to be "official"? I can't afford it), a maybe for the BC, and also going to do the SUnrise Century 7/28 in boulder if the weather is good.
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+1 on Buffalo Classic. Looks like we'll be riding together...again.

W00T! I will let you know when I register (soon). Looks like you may finally get that meal I owe you.
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I'm a maybe for the CT (telenick are you going to be "official"? I can't afford it), a maybe for the BC, and also going to do the SUnrise Century 7/28 in boulder if the weather is good.
If you aren't going to be 'official' please make sure that you don't use the aid stations or other services offered by the ride. I know that this ride is a bit pricey, but you get a lot for your $115 and the money goes to a very good cause - Davis Phinney's foundation - that I am very passionate about.

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Chezhoff, you are totally right and i totally agree. I'm sorry i can't afford to support that charity right now, but it's just too much $ for me at the moment.

I am sorry to have implied that telenick or I would use the aid stations w/o paying!!!! He and I have had this conversation, and both completely agree that would be wrong, unethical, cheating, stealing, etc. and we would not do it.

That ride is easy to self-support by using gas stations / other town services that we can pay for on our own, and that would be what telenick and/or I would do.

telenick, sorry to have said something that makes you/us look like thiefs.
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Chezhoff and other offended forumites, this is all my fault. valygrl is an innocent. If you only knew her, you'd see right away that I'm the scoundrel and she's the most pure hearted cyclist you've ever known.

Ya see... I ride the Copper Triangle frequently each summer. It's a great self supported century. When Superdex, valygrl and myself rode it a few Sundays ago, I went on and on about how easy the triangle is to self support. I even talked about how Superdex and I did the Davis Phinney Copper Triangle Charity Ride (paid in full!) last year but how ridiculous it is that the ride sponsor only donates 10 bones of each rider's fee to the DPF cause while the remainder of the fee goes to aid that is really not needed ...not to mention in the coffers of the sponsor(s). Don't even get me wound up about the TE Triple Bypass and the split of revenue for that ride!!!

Rest assured, if anyone wants to ride with us on the 4th ...we will self support. And I can assure you that I, for one, will throw down 20 bones as a donation to the DPF. You can bet you rear derailleur on that fo' sure.

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Good to know you guys aren't scoundrels! I didn't mean to imply that you were so I apologize for any offense. I agree that the ride is totally easy to do self-supported.

Obviously the sponsors of these rides are trying to make some money - and there's nothing wrong with that - but just as food for thought these events are incredibly expensive to put on. Team Evergreen is definitely not getting rich putting on the TBP. Their costs are north of a quarter of a million dollars.
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snip...Team Evergreen is definitely not getting rich putting on the TBP. Their costs are north of a quarter of a million dollars.
Well, I'm gonna be guilty of (2) things today: not getting my work done for another few minutes and hijacking this thread.

I happen to know that there is substantial revenue gain from the TBP that is used to entirely support TE operating and capital expenses for the remainder of the year. I'm not a fan of their "gouging" with this one event to keep their world spinning for teh remainder of the year.

However, I will give TE credit for throwing down more than 10% of their revenue to the Charity ...used to be pediatric AIDS... a very worthy cause indeed. TE puts about 30% of the revenue towards charitable giving.

Now the Copper Triangle ride hosted by CC and Copper Mountain?... 10% is despicable. The Davis Phinney Foundation deserves a heck of a lot more than a measly 10%. I'm sure everyone would agree. It's a bike ride for Pete's sake! It's not a ding dong excuse to make a profit in the name of giving.

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Well, I'm gonna be guilty of (2) things today: not getting my work done for another few minutes and hijacking this thread.

I happen to know that there is substantial revenue gain from the TBP that is used to entirely support TE operating and capital expenses for the remainder of the year. I'm not a fan of their "gouging" with this one event to keep their world spinning for teh remainder of the year.

However, I will give TE credit for throwing down more than 10% of their revenue to the Charity ...used to be pediatric AIDS... a very worthy cause indeed. TE puts about 30% of the revenue towards charitable giving.

Now the Copper Triangle ride hosted by CC and Copper Mountain?... 10% is despicable. The Davis Phinney Foundation deserves a heck of a lot more than a measly 10%. I'm sure everyone would agree. It's a bike ride for Pete's sake! It's not a ding dong excuse to make a profit in the name of giving.

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I'm not getting a lot done here at work either...fun debate anyway!

I have a different opinion as I don't see it as gouging. I don't see anything wrong w/ TE making money on the TBP. That's capitalism at it's best...give 3,500 people something they want...make money for yourself...and give to make the world better. What would be a "fair" price to you for the Triple? I certainly got $90 (or whatever it was) worth of value out of it.

On the Copper Triangle...I agree that they should be giving more to Phinney's foundation, especially since the connection to it is so prominent on the web site. It would be interesting to see a P&L statement as the fixed expenses are probably quite high and they don't get as many riders for this one (I'm not sure of the exact numbers though).
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Old 07-18-07, 12:23 PM   #17
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$50 bones ...no stoopid jersey ...better food at the rest areas ...much less for the shuttle back to Bergen Park.

It used to be 36 bones and each rest area had volunteers dressed in a theme. I really looked forward to the Hawaiian rest stop. Coconut bras and grass skirts! The doods were doing something too.

That included all the same crap and a shower at Battle Mountain High School.

FYI... It's the same exact mileage and elevation gain if you start in Avon and ride to Loveland Ski area and then back again. But then it's a quadruple Bypass. No shuttle ...no highway ...totally self supportable.

We need to get a BF Quadruple Bypass ride together. Cool eh?
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I paid $115 for the TBP. Minus $70 bucks for the jersey (what I would pay for one in a store), that's $45 towards the ride. More than worth it for the (what I thought was) quality support and well-stocked aid. But that's me....

Now, a BF Quad Bypass? I'm interested, but you'll have a hard time getting me to do it this summer. The TBP was my Event of the Season, and I'm officially playing the rest of the year
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$50 bones ...no stoopid jersey ...better food at the rest areas ...much less for the shuttle back to Bergen Park.

It used to be 36 bones and each rest area had volunteers dressed in a theme. I really looked forward to the Hawaiian rest stop. Coconut bras and grass skirts! The doods were doing something too.

That included all the same crap and a shower at Battle Mountain High School.

FYI... It's the same exact mileage and elevation gain if you start in Avon and ride to Loveland Ski area and then back again. But then it's a quadruple Bypass. No shuttle ...no highway ...totally self supportable.

We need to get a BF Quadruple Bypass ride together. Cool eh?
They definitely should offer a 'no jersey' option. The BoulderBolder does that. Not sure of any biking events that do that. The shuttle back was very high priced (we stayed in Keystone though so it wasn't an issue).

I wish they had the Hawaiian rest stop still too!

Since I live on the Front Range, I'd like the Quad bypass better if it started and ended at Loveland though!
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sorry for the thread hijack

What do you guys know about the Courage Classic? www.couragetours.com It's been pretty easy to raise money for the Children's Hospital and I'm hoping to get 20k feet of climbing in with some extra riding in 3 days. (like finishing the the Copper Triangle the first day, doing the century option the second day, and then some additional riding the 3rd day)
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Great cause ...you'll be riding very much alone with that schedule. 99% of the Courage riders are not up to that kind of riding.
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Well,

the Jersey is in part how they get Sponsors to sponsor the event. The fact I ride around with a 2006 Colorad Cyclist jersey essentially on my back is a selling point for the people who put on the Copper Triangle.

My understanding is that the Copper Triangle is struggling this year. They are only something like 66% a month ago. I am not sure about the status as of now, but I think they are rrunning into a few problems:

- Most people who really want to challenge themselves will ride the TBP. You can ride the Copper Triangle pretty much anytime of the year self-supported, as there are places to stop Leadville, Vail, Copper, Minuturn etc... at perfect points along the ride.

- They need to add a century option. Outside of Leadville there is a Turquoise Lake loop option which would make it a centry, add some great climbing, and really add to the challenge.

- It is too diffifult for average riders or familes, which is why the Elephant Rock is such a big hit. You can take your whole family out there.

- The 10% donation is a little low, so you do not feel as if the ride is really for charity.

- It is anti-climatic. They should hold this ride in early June before the TBP. I think too many people get all their Big Event juices drained through the TBP.

I may do it, if only because I need a jersey that color, and I like the design. But I am about 50/50.

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- It is anti-climatic. They should hold this ride in early June before the TBP. I think too many people get all their Bug Event juices drained through the TBP.
Bingo!

Had it been a few weeks before the TBP, I'da done it. Instead, Telenick, ValyGrl and I rode the Triangle self-supported. Had just as good a time, just no jersey, or CF traffic jam at the bottom of Vail Pass at the gate (the WORST place to put an aid station)
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I'm interested in doing the self-supported Copper Triangle ride, that is if my knee recovers from TBP.
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Bingo!

Had it been a few weeks before the TBP, I'da done it. Instead, Telenick, ValyGrl and I rode the Triangle self-supported. Had just as good a time, just no jersey, or CF traffic jam at the bottom of Vail Pass at the gate (the WORST place to put an aid station)

I forgot about that. Jesus that was a nightmare. It was a traffic jam full of:

(a) People stopping without caring about who was behind them.
(b) People looking for a place to park their bike without a care in the world about who was still riding
(c) People trying to start back up and merge with:

(d) People continuing to ride through the aid station because the last aid station was so close it made little sense to have an aid station at this spot
(e) A gate that essentially allowed single file passage.
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