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    Quote Originally Posted by kr32 View Post
    Not sure how these work yet as I just bought them last night but they are called Toe Warmers. They are a cloth treated with some sort of chemical that warms when taken out of the bag and air comes in contact with it. Same as hand warmers hunters use. They are made to go inside your shoes and either over or under your toes.
    Here is link http://www.warmers.com/ItemDetails.aspx?itemid=TWES40

    My toes get very cold so I am excited to try these out soon.

    Edit......should have read thread all the way before posting..looks like you know about these.
    Yes, that's exactly what I use. They may help a bit but I'm bit underwhelmed. I want heat.

    I'll get this dialed in this winter so next winter I won't need to think about it.

    GB or Barry-Do you guys have an updated Bmore to DC route? I'm considering riding into DC on the 20th from BWI, or maybe I'll ride the whole thing, depends on weather etc.

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    This is my GPS track of the ride: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/08-nov-17

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    HC, Whan you get them dialed in let me know because my feet get cold too and so far, even though it has not been too much trying, I have not found out what to do. I am still going to try these out and see whats up with them though. I think for my winter riding they will be fine, I do about 20 miles and thats it in this weather. I know 20 miles is nuttin' for you dudes but hey what can I say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr32 View Post
    HC, Whan you get them dialed in let me know because my feet get cold too and so far, even though it has not been too much trying, I have not found out what to do. I am still going to try these out and see whats up with them though. I think for my winter riding they will be fine, I do about 20 miles and thats it in this weather. I know 20 miles is nuttin' for you dudes but hey what can I say!
    KR-Welcome to the thread. I would say follow NoRacers recommendations-he's got it figured out. Scroll back a few posts and you'll see his breakdown for cold weather riding gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    KR-Welcome to the thread. I would say follow NoRacers recommendations-he's got it figured out. Scroll back a few posts and you'll see his breakdown for cold weather riding gear.
    Thanks for the welcome. As for NoRacers recommendations they sound good or I could just stay inside where it is warm, Man it is cold out there this morning. I think I will keep the bike warm as well and wait till it get near the 40 mark, 30's are a bit too cold for me and if you are talking 20's I'm totally out.

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    Another cold commute this AM, in the teens. Made a little adjustment in terms of cold weather riding. Usually I wake, dress and hit the rode, Today I woke up early so made a big bowl of steel cut oats hot breakfast. The ride actually felt warmer today than yesterday even though the temps were colder. No other difference....so boys and girls eat a GOOD hot breakfast. I usually eat like this when I go on a big weekend rides but seldom during the week. The question is whether or not I can wake this early everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    I wear "roadie" SIDIs. No problem.

    Process:
    1 - embrocate tops of feet using thick Aquaphor creme/ointment. (Actually, in cold weather, I do this all over, not just feet.)
    2 - put on wicking socks (thin CoolMax WrightSocks)
    3 - put on thick wool socks (el cheapo from SAMS)
    4 - put on SIDI road shoes, leaving them as loose around the toes as possible (air space is your friend)
    5 - pull on Performance neoprene booties
    6 - pull on fabric shoe covers

    That is all. Haven't had cold feet in so long, I haven't given it a second thought.
    Do you wear the same size shoe or size up (like MAx). I have a hard time thinking you can get good circulation wearing 2 socks and same size shoe. I have higher than normal arches so this might affect my circulation more than you. I size up and wear 2 socks. A lot warmer. I am thinking shoe covers though.
    Also what's the purpose for embrocating the ointment. I've never heard of this outside of Catholic confirmation

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    Hey! Why didn't someone tell me that my Blog looked like I didn't know how to use paragraphs?!

    I just viewed it through Firefox, lastnight, to see if it would help with my BiM browser problem of not being able to "fine tune" the longest rides and noticed that everything ran together!

    I fixed many of the newest, but some of the older ones, I just said to h3LL with it.

    By the way, Internet Explorer has problems with rendering some of the BiM pages properly AND lacks the ability to process very long bike rides--90 miles or greater--without losing contact with the BiM server and declaring an error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    I am thinking shoe covers though.
    You are welcome to have my old shoe covers: Pearl Izumi (neoprene)

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    Also what's the purpose for embrocating the ointment. I've never heard of this outside of Catholic confirmation
    NR sent me to the dictionary on that one and I laughed at the image it brought to mind.
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    Verb1.embrocate - administer an oil or ointment to ; often in a religious ceremony of blessing
    NoRacer-Now we are certain that biking is a religion for you. We should all say a prayer before we head out into these freezing temps and icy roads. I imagine a shrine of sorts, old beater bike with melted wax all over it, various tokens and talismans from rides past.

    GB and Barry-Thanks for the route. If I go I'll probably lightrail to BWI. Any advice on how to get from BWI LR station back to route? I imagine it's via the BWI trail.

    Got some new lights! My Madone presents a bit of a problem with that lozenge shaped seat mast so I got this Princeton Tec Swerve that should fit. I'll find out when I pick up my bike from Joes this afternoon. One year service, they're replacing the chain and cables. What's the word on this? Guy at Joes says replace chain every fifteen hundred miles or so as to not wear out cassette, I have my doubts. What do you guys do? NR-Going by this rule would mean you would go through five + chains a year.
    I'm sure they're making a buck but I trust the shop to some degree. I told them to take the crank off as during the ride with GB it sounded like a family of mice were living in there and felt like pedaling through a jar of gravel. I'm also get up on the trainer while I'm there and see if I can't get a better fit.

    The lights I got. I just got tired of changing lights from bike to bike. I have a NiteRider set up on my 520. Now just need to get out and use them. GB-What are you doing next Monday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    GB and Barry-Thanks for the route. If I go I'll probably lightrail to BWI. Any advice on how to get from BWI LR station back to route? I imagine it's via the BWI trail.
    Stony Run Rd/Hanover Rd. Also shown on the second map here : http://www.baltimorespokes.org/stati...70815081612328

    FWIW I go through about two sets of chains a year, rear cassette lasts about a year and a half to wear out and the front rings a bit longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    NR sent me to the dictionary on that one and I laughed at the image it brought to mind.
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    Verb1.embrocate - administer an oil or ointment to ; often in a religious ceremony of blessing
    NoRacer-Now we are certain that biking is a religion for you. We should all say a prayer before we head out into these freezing temps and icy roads. I imagine a shrine of sorts, old beater bike with melted wax all over it, various tokens and talismans from rides past.
    http://www.belgiumkneewarmers.com/20...monuments.html

    Belgium Knee Warmers Defined

    For many professional cyclists the Spring campaign is the toughest of the season; it means training from October until March in the worst, character-building weather conditions Europe can dish out. This weather and the suffering that is bicycle racing breed characters known as "hardmen".

    Select cyclists tackle these conditions in shorts, long sleeve jerseys or short sleeve jerseys with arm warmers, wind vests, and shoe covers. A true hardman opts to forego the knee or leg warmers and instead chooses an embrocation to cover the knees. The liniment provides warmth for the legs and keeps the blood circulating and muscles supple. Embrocation and the sheen created is affectionately known as "Belgium knee warmers". The hardest of cyclists will sport bare legs in the most ruthless of conditions.

    Belgium Knee Warmers are indicitive of the many subtleties that make professional cycling so enthralling.
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    There's this, from Slowtwitch.com, too:

    http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwit...mers_P2112949/
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    I tried putting some Tiger Balm on my legs once . . . I thought my skin was going to burst into flames at any moment, or just start melting off my bones and puddling onto the floor. I couldn't get that stuff off me fast enough.

    Forget waterboarding -- just wave a jar of Tiger Balm under my nose, and I'll sing like a canary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    http://www.belgiumkneewarmers.com/20...monuments.html



    For my next trick... err, should I try this going home?
    Yes. Better put that Vaseline on thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxine View Post
    I tried putting some Tiger Balm on my legs once . . . I thought my skin was going to burst into flames at any moment, or just start melting off my bones and puddling onto the floor. I couldn't get that stuff off me fast enough.

    Forget waterboarding -- just wave a jar of Tiger Balm under my nose, and I'll sing like a canary.
    Yeah, I've never tried any of the ointments that get "hot" during the winter. I've always used Aquaphor, which is like petroleum jelly, except that it's better for the skin and less greasy feeling. This morning, I had some on--pretty thick. I had to open my jacket, because I was getting too warm around my core. My hands and feet were fine, but fine to me is that they aren't numb with cold or stinging--they're cold, but just not that cold.

    The morning of the 16th will be the worst day this week--single-digit wind chill at the time I should be commuting--between 5-6am. I might have to get some chemical warmers for that day AND get the wool gloves I've been yearning for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    The morning of the 16th will be the worst day this week--single-digit wind chill at the time I should be commuting--between 5-6am. I might have to get some chemical warmers for that day AND get the wool gloves I've been yearning for.
    I read a bit on the Aquaphor. I'lll have to pick some of that up.

    I'm afraid the temps will force me onto the trainer for the rest of the week, except for running. Back to square one on that, a 1.5 mile run every morning until it becomes easy, and my knees adjust, if.

    Maybe I'll just pick up the Madone and head over to Montebello see if Teacher Bob is braving these temps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    Maybe I'll just pick up the Madone and head over to Montebello see if Teacher Bob is braving these temps.
    I'm sure us cold temp riders are few in numbers.

    Charlie? You out there?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    I'm sure us cold temp riders are few in numbers.

    Charlie? You out there?!
    There are a few. Just got back from Joe's and they were talkin' about their 6:30pm mtb night ride at Loch Raven. Not sure I'll be joining them-yet.

    New chain, cables, and one of my bottom bracket bearings was shot as I suspected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    I'm sure us cold temp riders are few in numbers.

    Charlie? You out there?!
    Wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm kinda psyched up for it actually. How low can you go. I haven't driven to work in '09.

    NR: You failed to answer my Q about your shoe size Do you wear one size bigger in winter w/ 2 socks like Max and I? I gotta try that grease stuff. My core is always good just some chilly extremities.

    Barry: Thanks for the cover offer but I am not a fan of neoprene. At least the stuff I am familiar. Kayaking neoprene was a great insulator but sucked as a wind breaker. I would think a windbreaker material is essential in shoe covers. If I could stop the wind getting through my wool is warm enough. Are all shoe covers neoprene??

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    Interesting, I stopped using the neoprene because of the lack of air flow. I believe Gore-Tex is the next in popularity for bike shoe coverings.
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    Last post and then I ride either in or out. At Joe's I talked with one of the guys about keeping the feet warm and how I was unhappy with the chemical toe warmers. He said that they probably don't activate if there is no air flow, shoes too tight over two layers of socks. Makes sense since they are air activated. I'm very close to getting some winter mtb shoes that I would use for both on and off road, just change my road pedals to spd for the winter.

    Go Charlie and NoRacer, and probably GBrown, you guys are hardcore! Oh, while at Joe's one of the shop kids showed up on his bike so there are definitely a number willing to go that low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    Wouldn't miss it for the world. I'm kinda psyched up for it actually. How low can you go. I haven't driven to work in '09.

    NR: You failed to answer my Q about your shoe size Do you wear one size bigger in winter w/ 2 socks like Max and I? I gotta try that grease stuff. My core is always good just some chilly extremities.

    Barry: Thanks for the cover offer but I am not a fan of neoprene. At least the stuff I am familiar. Kayaking neoprene was a great insulator but sucked as a wind breaker. I would think a windbreaker material is essential in shoe covers. If I could stop the wind getting through my wool is warm enough. Are all shoe covers neoprene??
    I think I went from 54s (my old Cat-1s) to 56 in the Sidi shoes with the specific purpose of having extra room for the winter. In the summer, because my feet swell a little, one pair of Thorlo running socks is good enough. A pair of thin double-layered (for blister prevention) WrightSocks for running are too thin.

    In the winter, I layer the WrightSocks and SAM's Club wool socks followed by a Performance neoprene bootie with the zipper left open (because one of them broke, so I fixed by breaking the other one and now I leave both open) followed by a fabric type bootie from BikeTiresDirect.com where I get my Tufo tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    Last post and then I ride either in or out. At Joe's I talked with one of the guys about keeping the feet warm and how I was unhappy with the chemical toe warmers. He said that they probably don't activate if there is no air flow, shoes too tight over two layers of socks. Makes sense since they are air activated. I'm very close to getting some winter mtb shoes that I would use for both on and off road, just change my road pedals to spd for the winter.

    Go Charlie and NoRacer, and probably GBrown, you guys are hardcore! Oh, while at Joe's one of the shop kids showed up on his bike so there are definitely a number willing to go that low.
    Coming home today was no biggie. In fact, it felt almost warm to me. But I guess that was relative to this morning, which was close to making me notice, because of the wind.
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