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    Yes, there is some GREAT riding in Washington Co.....and it is becoming more and more cycling friendly.
    There are two pretty good century rides in August that will definitely work some muscles you "Seagullers" don't regularly use (just kidding)
    I've done the Seagull and LOVE the fast pacelines!

    Check out the C.V.C.C. website (http://www.bikecvcc.com/)

    There is a nice section of Rails to Trails that run from Big Spring to above Hancock...around 22 miles....this is a pleasure to ride! ....we also have the C&O Canal to ride on.

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    Well I had a fun week last week. I thought it might be fun to ride out for the ribbon cutting ceremony for the Alleghany Highland Trail on Thursday. Since I decided to do this at the last minute and I had 24 hours to get there on time. Well 150 miles and 10,000 feet in climbing later with full touring gear I was 3 hours late and missed the ribbon cutting but I had one fun adventure trying to get there.

    This is the route I took: (which will be modified if I do it again.)
    http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...ore-Cumberland

    On Sunday I road out for the Fells Point ride with a Pikesville member of the BBC and eventually meet up with NoRacer at the rest stop. It was fun meeting him and riding with him for a bit though it looks like we took turns being in the front or escorting a slower rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car
    Well I had a fun week last week. I thought it might be fun to ride out for the ribbon cutting ceremony for the Alleghany Highland Trail on Thursday. Since I decided to do this at the last minute and I had 24 hours to get there on time. Well 150 miles and 10,000 feet in climbing later with full touring gear I was 3 hours late and missed the ribbon cutting but I had one fun adventure trying to get there.

    This is the route I took: (which will be modified if I do it again.)
    http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...ore-Cumberland
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    _Very_ nice.
    What main things would you do differently? How did you like the western-most parts of 40?

    Also, does the ribbon cutting mean it is now possible for someone to do DC to Pittsburgh (Mckeesport) all on trail?

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    Nice ride Barry. Did you do that ride in 2 days or 1? Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car
    ... 150 miles and 10,000 feet in climbing ...
    Yeah! Nice.

    This Spring or Summer, I'd like to do more long climbs.
    2009 mileage = 14,738 miles; 2010 mileage = 15,234 miles; 2011 mileage = 17,344 miles; 2012 mileage = 11,414 miles; 2013 = 12,169

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    Things I would do different:
    1) Pick a different route through Frederick
    2) I took the wrong 40 coming out of Frederick which was a real nice bike route (signed and shoulders, and NoRacer the climb here was a nice long steady climb.) The route I took to get back on track had multiple 100 foot walls that I had to use my lowest gear on (walking) so that’s out for next time and the other 40 wasn’t as nice (narrow lane) so I’m not sure what I’ll try next time, possibly take the good 40 into Hagerstown and pick up 11.
    3) Take 144 out of Hancock (the bit on 70 was kind of hairy but it was low traffic at the time so no big deal.)
    4) The section of 68 outside of Hancock bikes are prohibited (oops) but I might do again as I could see no reason why and the long 6% grades were kind of fun if you don’t mind getting totally bonked after riding them (see the last four peeks in the elevation graph.)
    a) I think next time I might try and follow the roads closer to the river to see if I can avoid some of the hills and save some time that way.
    5) Don’t try and follow the Bike Route signs in Cumberland.
    6) Go in a season where I would not have to carry so much water. (Note to self; carrying dehydrated food and the water to cook it in does not work well. )

    Overall the trip was real pleasant I especially enjoyed this route to Mt Airy/Fredrick over taking 144 which I would have previously done. The only uncomfortable traffic conditions was on 40 starting around US 15 [in Frederick] for about a 1.6 miles.

    I slept for 6 hours on the C&O outside Williamsport but getting up early did no good as the fog was really thick and I could only go at a snails pace.

    And Yes I believe the trail is now complete between DC and Pittsburg.
    http://www.atatrail.org/

    And getting to the Alleghany Highland Trail is real easy from the C&O just look for the Do Not Enter sign by the railroad tracks across Baltimore Street and it’s back there somewhere.
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    Barndoor: Next time I’m up that way I’ll drop you a line. If you happen to know Dick Cushwa (CVCC Pres) tell him that Barry says hi.
    I know him well! I most certainly will tell him.

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    Merry Christmas!

    I'm off from work until the 4th of January. Maybe I'll see some of you folks out on the road sometime before then.
    2009 mileage = 14,738 miles; 2010 mileage = 15,234 miles; 2011 mileage = 17,344 miles; 2012 mileage = 11,414 miles; 2013 = 12,169

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    Sweet. I need to get some riding in this week. I was gonna go today but a tree fell on my house. Good excuse I guess.

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by derath
    Sweet. I need to get some riding in this week. I was gonna go today but a tree fell on my house. Good excuse I guess.

    :-)
    Ummmmm... was it a big tree? Sounds like, from your post, that no one got hurt--"a good thing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer
    Ummmmm... was it a big tree? Sounds like, from your post, that no one got hurt--"a good thing".
    Very large Oak. At least 80 feet tall. If it had fallen 5 feet to the right my 8 month old son would likely have been badly hurt or killed in his crib.

    Luckily that didnt happen though

    http://holoski.homeip.net:88/gallery...ame=tree-house

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    Quote Originally Posted by derath
    Very large Oak. At least 80 feet tall. If it had fallen 5 feet to the right my 8 month old son would likely have been badly hurt or killed in his crib.

    Luckily that didnt happen though

    http://holoski.homeip.net:88/gallery...ame=tree-house

    WoW! That last shot (2006122440051.jpg) is very scary! Glad he's unharmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer
    WoW! That last shot (2006122440051.jpg) is very scary! Glad he's unharmed.

    Me too, especially since Uncle Jon bought us one of THESE which is already installed and gonna get tested as soon as the weather clears.

    All kidding aside, we really dodged a bullet on this one.

    -D

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    Merry Christmas all. i have been soooo busy w/ all kinds of stuff not biking related. Only 11 miles last week.

    derath: That's some scary stuff.
    ride on folks. post your end of year miles next week. Charlie

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    Yesterday's ride:

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=17253 [~73 miles @ 2,357 ft of climbing]

    Sorry, gents... this time, went East and North.

    I need 122 more miles for 10,000 miles by years end.

    EDIT: Oh, btw, tomorrow will probably be my next ride. I plan to get another huge chunk of mileage completed. Derath? Human Car? Any one else? Ideas?
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    That is one nice climb there. Is it me or has routeslip been buggy and slow lately.

    I wanted to ride today, but instead I spent all day with the chainsaw cutting up a large tree. They want $3000 to cut it up and haul it away! Insurance covers 100% towards removing a tree from your house, but only $500 towards hauling it away. So I am gonna cut it up myself and I know several people who heat via wood and will come over and take it. It was a good workout though.

    Really want to get out there tomorrow, but I have to hang around the house from 8-12 for the insurance adjuster.

    -D

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    Quote Originally Posted by derath
    That is one nice climb there. Is it me or has routeslip been buggy and slow lately.

    -D
    After several attempts to contact the guy running RouteSlip, he finally fixed the problem with elevation assignments.

    But, I still map the rides in GMAP-PEDOMETER, first, then export it as a GPX file. Then I import it into RouteSlip--less headaches that way.

    The owner of the site recently changed hosting server. The new server seems faster and more reliable, but a lot of the computational stuff is being done "client side", so it's highly dependent on what's going on with your PC.

    I'm thinking about doing one of these two rides, tomorrow:

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=14009 [112.84 mi. 6237.90 ft. of climbing]

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=17261 [102.46 mi. 4381.90 ft. of climbing]

    It all depends on how I'm feeling and the weather that I'll have to contend with.
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    Both routes look nice. I wish I had the time to do a century. But I think tomorrow I will have another date with one of these:



    And with the phone to say things like "so what the heck is the ETA on my replacement heat pump"

    So on that first route, do you ride the NCR trail on your TCR? The sections of that trail that I have been on, which are unpaved, seems a bit harsh for a road bike. I have done it on my mountain bike with slicks, but not on a road bike.

    If I have time I may take my baby boy out for a ride in his new weeride seat.

    -D

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    Quote Originally Posted by derath
    So on that first route, do you ride the NCR trail on your TCR? The sections of that trail that I have been on, which are unpaved, seems a bit harsh for a road bike. I have done it on my mountain bike with slicks, but not on a road bike.

    -D
    Yes, the one other time that I did this ride, I did it on my TCR--I just have to keep the speed down. The crushed gravel is not nearly as bad as a road that has been graded in prep for fresh tarmac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer
    After several attempts to contact the guy running RouteSlip, he finally fixed the problem with elevation assignments.

    But, I still map the rides in GMAP-PEDOMETER, first, then export it as a GPX file. Then I import it into RouteSlip--less headaches that way.

    The owner of the site recently changed hosting server. The new server seems faster and more reliable, but a lot of the computational stuff is being done "client side", so it's highly dependent on what's going on with your PC.

    I'm thinking about doing one of these two rides, tomorrow:

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=14009 [112.84 mi. 6237.90 ft. of climbing]

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=17261 [102.46 mi. 4381.90 ft. of climbing]

    It all depends on how I'm feeling and the weather that I'll have to contend with.
    Nice rides. I ride many of the same roads often. I live off of Loch Raven Blvd. just below Joppa Rd.

    I wonder about the climbing figures that routeslip generates. When folks list figures for climbing is that what they typically use? I always counted manually from the graph and only counted the extended sections of climb and not each little jag in the graph. That seems to yield a number about 1/3 to 1/2 at most of what routeslip reports for these rides. Are routeslip's numbers overinflated or is my count WAY low compared to what most folks use?

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    I did a little checking on routeslip and I see that my rides are way less jagged in the elevation graph even for the same roads. I assume that is because you have far more data points. Are you generating these routes manually or using a gps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by staehpj1
    I did a little checking on routeslip and I see that my rides are way less jagged in the elevation graph even for the same roads. I assume that is because you have far more data points. Are you generating these routes manually or using a gps?
    I still map the rides in GMAP-PEDOMETER, first, then export it as a GPX file. Then I import it into RouteSlip--less headaches that way.
    I'm quoting myself from the earlier post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staehpj1
    I wonder about the climbing figures that routeslip generates.
    I usually use the climbing data from my Garmin. It is arguable whether it is more accurate. But my gut says that overall GPS+Barometric altimeter should be closer.

    BBC She Got Bike Route that my wife did. I mapped it out on Routeslip

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=9937
    1703ft of climbing

    Later I rode the route for fun.

    http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/e...kValue=1644584
    3063ft of climbing
    Changing to MB Gravity yields
    2428 Feet of climb (uses MB elevation data similar to how routeslip would calculate).

    I have been told that I should use the 305 data as it is overall more accurate than MB gravity. But either way you can see there is quite a discrepancy.

    Another comparison. This is a route I mapped out from my house in Routeslip.

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=13443
    1843ft of climbing.

    And when I did the ride. (I have done this route twice) I got 2608 and 2656 ft of climbing on the 2 rides.

    http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/e...kValue=1758580

    On that ride, if I use MB gravity I get 2604ft. Pretty close to my garmin data.

    Either way, I tend to find that Routeslip is usually off on elevation, and usually it underestimates the data.


    As far as my trouble with routeslip. I generally seem to have an issue when I am loading a route, or loading the map to create a route. It seems to generally hang and I have to F5 to refresh the page, which will then bring it up. Probably something with my browser.

    I really need to play on the computer less and get out to ride more.

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    I thought routeslip was high as were all of the other methods you used.

    My rational...
    I thought it only reasonable to count actual climbing not every tiny undulation.

    If there are many data points (like if you use the track file from a gps) every little variation gets counted whether real or just variations in the accuracy of the data. Often the graphs seem to show little jagged ups and downs in what I remember as a continuous uphill. I don't think all those little jags should count.

    Obviously the following is an exaggeration, but I think it kind of illustrates what I mean:
    Assume a flat road with 1/4" surface bumps every 4". Is that 3/4" of climbing every foot traveled (something like 330' of climbing per mile)? I think we probably agree that it isn't.

    To me it seems reasonable to count only actual climbs. Sections of road that roll up and down a little, but you never would feel that you climbed a hill would count as being flat.

    For this route:
    BBC She Got Bike Route that my wife did. I mapped it out on Routeslip

    http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=9937
    1703ft of climbing

    Later I rode the route for fun.

    http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/e...kValue=1644584
    3063ft of climbing
    Changing to MB Gravity yields
    2428 Feet of climb (uses MB elevation data similar to how routeslip would calculate).
    I would have said 1200' or maybe 1300' tops. Am I way out of line with the way others count their climbs? Specifically I am concerned with how most organized rides calculate this. I know that I avoided some centuries this fall based on assumptions about the amount of climbing they listed. Some of them were much less hilly than my normal routes if they counted the same way you did.

    Maybe I am a better climber than I thought

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    You can count your climbs any way you like. Since we aren't competing then it doesn't really matter. Generally I would guess most people count based off of data like routeslip. Why? Probably the same reason I do.

    I'm a busy guy. Work, family, etc. When I get back from a ride and want to analyze my data I use the Data from my edge. I believe the GPS+Barometric altimeter to be pretty accurate. I have several routes that I have ridden many times and they all have very small variances. The GPS data also does get smoothed, to flatten out the small undulations. The main reason I use this data is simply. I don't have the time or inclination to manually try and calculate based off the graph each time.

    Maybe my data overestimates how much climbing I did, but the important thing to me is that it is consistent. That way I can track my own progress over time.

    Yes you are probably a better climber than you thought. Pat yourself on the back.

    -D

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