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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    Actually, we dodge ilchester hill completely. We'll ride a bit along the top flat section but, I took Charlie's advice and went up College ave instead. and that Lawyers Hill/*** rd. part I actually have never ridden. That section, also, is by Charlie's approval. If I ride my fixie, we'll be fighting for the oxygen inhaler.

    As far as timing... Ellicott Mills doesn't open until 11:30AM on sunday. It's about 15mi away, so, I'd go for a 10:30AM push off time. How long at the pubs? An hour? Maybe I'll try it this way...
    10:30AM push off (15mi)
    11:30AM 1st drinks at Ellicott Mills
    12:30PM push off (13mi)
    1:30PM 2nd drink at Charlie's
    2:45PM push off (9mi)
    3:30PM 3rd drinks at DuClaw
    4:30PM push off (6mi)
    5:00PM back again

    Obviously, any of this can be compressed or expanded as we like. From Fells Pt., each of us can decide where and when to head out.

    Maxine, I live just around the corner from Druid Hill in Hampden. You are quite welcome to use our house as a changing station. If you want to bring your fresh clothes with you and leave them in the car, you could change (even shower, if you want) and then head up to Towson. No problem.

    psyched.
    Maxine: The Illchester section is at the top, so neither up or down. NR and those feeling giddy can take a left on Bonnie Branch and can ride Illchester all the way up. Just for laughs. Old Frederick is gonna be a climb as well ***.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Angelo, I've seen and used pieces of your bikely routes for several years. Good stuff. One of my fav. stretches of road is riverside rd out in sparrows point. I never would have ridden, much less found that road if it wasn't on one of your routes. Also, many great routes into and out of the city. Thanx.

    Our Nov. 2nd "Brew pub ride" goes right through *** and Levering. Wanna come?

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    Josh and other interested parties,

    Are we on for this sunday? Gotta get my October century in. The "Old Fred Spectacular" - Old Frederick rd from B'more to Frederick, MD and back.

    I'd meet you at the Dunkin Donuts on the north side of Old Frederick just outside of I695/beltway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Thanks everybody,

    The other day I did ride partially through there, but I turned from river (levering side) to *** rd. I found I could take *** all the way to sulphur spring, go through the town of Arbutus, then joh ave, crossing caton ave, going all the way down the hill into an industrial area along Wilkens near the Gwynns Falls trailhead. I never went that way before, but now I have an alternative commute route to Baltimore! Though, at night, I might prefer to take wilkens into the city rather than the trail which is spooky. Here's the bikely link.
    Just curious, I thought Carroll St south of Carroll Park was a bus lot and not a through street, has that changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    Just curious, I thought Carroll St south of Carroll Park was a bus lot and not a through street, has that changed?
    No, I was just being lazy and negligent while making the map! You are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    Josh and other interested parties,

    Are we on for this sunday? Gotta get my October century in. The "Old Fred Spectacular" - Old Frederick rd from B'more to Frederick, MD and back.

    I'd meet you at the Dunkin Donuts on the north side of Old Frederick just outside of I695/beltway.
    6:30AM? -GB

    still on for now, family issues might change, I'll know tonight, is there somewhere to park there? We can always meet PNR, If I'm going to leave the car somewhere for hours I'd rather it be the PNR. we can meet @ the elementry school @ rolling and frederick you tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshandlauri View Post
    We can always meet PNR, If I'm going to leave the car somewhere for hours I'd rather it be the PNR. we can meet @ the elementry school @ rolling and frederick you tell me.
    I don't know where the park and ride is.
    Maybe the elementary school (Hillcrest) at Rolling and Frederick is best.
    double check the map location here: http://tinyurl.com/6huqm8
    to make sure we're definitely talking about the same place.
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    thats it same school I'll be there. everything is a go for sunday 630am.
    fyi click below for park and ride
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    open invite anyone can come, no drop.
    Are beer stops the only way to get out in groups of more than 2 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshandlauri View Post
    thats it. same school. I'll be there. everything is a go for sunday 630am
    Josh, I don't carry a cell, so if I'm not there before 6:45 feel free to ditch me. PM me your cell if you think it's nec. Otherwise, I'll be in the parking lot with a donut in my hand and powdered sugar on my chin.
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    To bad for the crappy weather in Montgomery County today. Anyone got any rides going tomorrow?

    I have to finish a project at work from 9-10am tomorrow so I am looking for a ride that starts after that. All the PPTC rides start before then .
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    To bad for the crappy weather in Montgomery County today. Anyone got any rides going tomorrow?

    I have to finish a project at work from 9-10am tomorrow so I am looking for a ride that starts after that. All the PPTC rides start before then .
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    I'm planning on doing this ride tomorrow--got to be on the road by 6am:

    http://www.dcrand.org/cgi-bin/weeken...?RIDE=20081026

    SUNDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2008

    "PILGRIMAGE TO PROSPECT PEAK," starting from SPRINGFIELD MIDDLE SCHOOL (NOT the high school), 334 Sunset Avenue, Williamsport, Maryland. **NOTE "LATE" MEETING TIME 8:00 a.m.** **Important note: The only store that we'll be passing before Berkeley Springs is a 7-11 at mile 3.9! Please have a good breakfast and bring enough snacks/fluids to carry you to lunch at mile 54.**

    This new and VERY SCENIC ride is a variation on some other rides to Berkeley Springs that we've done in the past. The first 41 miles are identical to "A Quad State Ride" but, in fact, this is only a two-state ride. We won't venture into Virginia before lunch nor will we climb up Tollgate Ridge into Pennsylvania after leaving Hancock in the afternoon. What we WILL do is head straight into West Virginia leaving Williamsport, eventually hooking up with Dave Berning's old 300K route along River Road through Cherry Run and Sleepy Creek. Then we'll detour south on Potomac Road, with several attention-getting ups and downs, culminating in the steep climb up to Highland Ridge. From there the terrain moderates significantly as we continue south. After enjoying the ridge-line views for several miles, a turn north onto Winchester Grade will head us toward the spa/resort town of Berkeley Springs -- oh, and it's DOWNHILL into Berkeley Springs! The best part is yet to come, as we pass Berkeley Springs State Park -- http://www.berkeleyspringssp.com/ ) -- and then turn west to climb up to Prospect Peak. The legendery (and reportedly haunted) Berkeley Castle will be on our right as we begin the climb -- http://berkeleyspringscastle.org/cas...ngsCastle.html. It's about 3 miles up a winding road to Prospect Peak, but well worth the effort. Not only is there a breathtakingly beautiful view from the overlook on your right -- http://www.berkeleysprings.com/trail/gwtrail-9.html -- but on the left is the Panorama at the Peak restaurant, where we plan to have lunch! -- http://www.panoramaatthepeak.com/index.html

    After lunch we'll enjoy the swooping descent back into Berkeley Springs, quickly catching our breaths before the grinding climb up to Horse Ridge (more fond memories of Dave Berning's old 300K brevet). The five miles along the ridge are delightful, the descent quick, and then we cross the Potomac River into historic Hancock, Maryland. If you're tired of all that climbing, you can finally relax, as for the next 10 miles we'll ride the FLAT Western Maryland Rail Trail east to the trailhead near Big Pool -- http://www.hancockmd.com/WMRT/info.html. You'll probably agree that 10 miles of flat/straight is more than enough. The last 25 miles through the rolling Cumberland Valley will provide welcome relief!
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    Brown,
    FYI I got home safely, I hope you did also, long story. After the kids go to sleep I'll do a ride report.
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    Sunday Ride report

    Got up had a bagel for breakfast and met Bob at the school about 7am, weather on TV said 47 degrees, I brought a jacket and pants in case it was colder. Sure enough it was 37 degrees not 47. Thanks weather man! I only had the thin gloves and no balaclava. We descended into the Patapsco valley and my hands froze a quick stop at 7-11 for a hot chocolate took care of this. I then led us into a 6 mile wrong turn at Rt 27, no big deal we headed back and figured it out. Ride was VERY hilly kicking my but pretty good, but no climbs where I was under 10-11mph, not to bad. We get to main street Frederick and
    Bob gets a bagel, I do a few extra miles and meet him back, I then, needing something to eat get a yogurt? I know WTF was I thinking, I should have got a bagel or muffin, something with SUGER and CARBS!!!, This was only the beginning of some problems, Straight out of Frederick Bob got miles ahead, I think there was crack in his bagel! I went about playing catch up and somehow ended up on I70 for several miles, you’d have to see the turn to understand. I was going along and cars were whizzing past at 80mph and I’m hugging the line, scary. Finally I turn around again and Bob was nice enough to wait for me. I kept up with him pretty good for a while, then we started the hills again. He was gone again. Finaly at total mile #75 I hit 4.5mph uphill! I was beat, I saw another big hill and called this one in to the father in law. I then rested for 20 minutes, downed my last gel and managed to get in over 80 miles total.Pick up point was West Friendship volunteer.

    Best I can figure is I made some poor poor food choices, My suger/carbs had to low. I know I burned a ton of it with these hills, also should have had a bigger breakfast.
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    530am Bagel cream cheese, cup milk
    830 gel
    1000gel
    1030 yogurt?????? Should have got a snickers,choc muffin or bagel
    1100 granola bar
    1230gel
    Plus 3-4 bottles water, I was hydrated good as I did have to go to the bathroom.We avg close to 17 out, by the time SAG got me my avg was 15.6.I estimate about 5000 feet climbing, the 100 mile PA ride was nothing compared to this constant onslaught.
    I got home about 230 and now still feel like crap.
    I had fun still, definitly would do again. Bob was cool to ride with also, def a strong rider.

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    Josh, glad you made it back ok. I think you're right about your bonk being about foods. I definitely get cravings for sugary stuff, but I find you always get a longer steadier dose of energy with bready starchy foods.

    This ride is just all rollers. Push downhills. Push uphills. Gotta keep up that momentum.
    After I got home my sister called and asked if I wanted to participate in this public art event on Federal Hill. "yeah, sure", I said. LOL !! It involved climbing up and down the front steep section of the hill. Oh yeah, and crabwalk too. I really can't believe I did that no more than 45 minutes off the bike. My legs are toast.

    Good ride though. 112 miles total. ~16 ave.

    BTW If anyone else does this ride they should definitely stop at the bagel shop on Patrick st., get a salt bagel with crystal-meth spread. It lasts for miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    Josh, glad you made it back ok. I think you're right about your bonk being about foods. I definitely get cravings for sugary stuff, but I find you always get a longer steadier dose of energy with bready starchy foods.

    This ride is just all rollers. Push downhills. Push uphills. Gotta keep up that momentum.
    After I got home my sister called and asked if I wanted to participate in this public art event on Federal Hill. "yeah, sure", I said. LOL !! It involved climbing up and down the front steep section of the hill. Oh yeah, and crabwalk too. I really can't believe I did that no more than 45 minutes off the bike. My legs are toast.

    Good ride though. 112 miles total. ~16 ave.

    BTW If anyone else does this ride they should definitely stop at the bagel shop on Patrick st., get a salt bagel with crystal-meth spread. It lasts for miles.
    Josh-That sucks, we've all bonked, easy to do. I'm probably like you in that I don't really get hungry while riding. I go right from fine to bonk. With that said, I need to eat lots because I'm big, still 198-200 lbs, so I force myself. Yesterday I did 43 miles out around Loch Raven, around 2600' on one Clif bar and half bottle of Gatorade. On the way back down Providence though I lost steam. Beautiful time of year to be riding.

    Been doing more running lately though as my time is tight. Did a 5k on Saturday to set a benchmark, way harder for me than cycling, HR right up into low 170s and pretty much stayed there for the 30 minutes it took me to complete.

    GB-let me know when your next century is. I'm marking my calendar for a DC rand ride out of Woodbine in mid December.

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    Great reports guys! Thanks for sharing. Does the bagel shop on Patrick deliver/ship?

    Anway, the ride out of Williamsport was geat. I don't have a BiM recording because I couldn't get a GPS signal at the ride start... sux!

    Crista & Chuck were on a tandem, Nick and Jan were on another tandem. Then there was Maile, Paul, Mike, Neil, and me.

    The first few miles, I took it easy, riding with Maile for awhile as we chatted, catching up with the goings-on in our lives. After a while, though, I could no longer ride her pace, especially as slow as she was going up the hills, so I caught on to Chuck and Crista's wheel. I followed them up to Paul. Paul and Neil had taken a flyer off of the front from the start, but Paul fell back--Neil was still up the road and still within sight.

    At one point, Paul shot off of the front as if he would bridge back up to Neil, but he sat up. A few minutes later, I decided to "attack" catching on to Paul's wheel, making a definitive pass, and pushed to catch Neil. It took about 15-20 minutes before I finally caught up with him.

    Neil and I rode the rest of the way to the one and only stop in the first 54 miles of the ride--at the Panorama at the Peak Restaurant in Berkeley Springs. We had to work for our lunch--it was a long grinding climb to the top of the ridge to the restaurant.

    Lunch at the restaurant was great. Being hungry helped. They had some great portobella mushroom recipes--I had a burger, though.

    After lunch, we headed back through Berkeley Springs. There's the descent back into town followed by a climb back out.

    Great scenery on the ride, but at first there was so much fog we couldn't see much of anything. Once the fog burned off, some fantastic vista were visible. After lunch was no exception. Maile and Jan took pictures of the ride.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcn7/se...08733820/show/ <---Maile's photo set - Pilgrimage to Prospect Peak Century (updated 10/28/2008)

    All in all, it was a great ride; a brand new ride with over 6,000ft of climbing--Chuck had 6,500ft and I had 6,200ft on our computers, respectively.

    I'd definitely do this ride again.
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    vistas

    Speaking of vistas. I've been doing some hiking lately, a way of trying to combine my desire for activity with my need to be an active dad. I camped up at Mathews Arm last weekend for two days, beautiful, and chilly, ice on Sunday morning. We've been doing tiny sections of the AT. This shot was from Stony Man, I counted fifty people on that clif that day, kills the vibe of a nice quiet walk in the woods. Only saw maybe four cyclists on the drive, good thing as it was crazy crowded. I rode it once with my friend Bennett from Swift Run to Thornton. Talk about constant hills., though I hear the Blue Ridge Parkway is a bit more extreme.

    Great report Racer. One of these days I'll actually meet you, pub run perhaps. With all your riding have you ever considered any of the ultra cycling events? Adirondack 504, RAAM, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    Great report Racer. One of these days I'll actually meet you, pub run perhaps. With all your riding have you ever considered any of the ultra cycling events? Adirondack 504, RAAM, etc?
    Thanks, regarding the report.

    No, I haven't thought about any "ultra-endurance" events. The folks at DC Rand are trying to get me to commit to something as easy as a brevet, but since I'm not sure if I'll be racing again this coming year, I hesitate to give them commitments. Maile's working on me though. She'd like a brevet partner...and she wants me ...for a brevet partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    Maile's working on me though. She'd like a brevet partner...and she wants me ...for a brevet partner.
    I'd def. read that report. Gotta get in more DCRand rides. Great people and beautiful rides. The only thing I don't like is the long drives out to the starts. Then again, I think NoRacer owes me one.

    HC, (cool hiking pics BTW) the only long ride I've got planned is the BBC ride Barry and I are doing on Nov 16th, but if you wanna hook up for a DCRand ride in Dec that'd be great. I bet we could easily drag NoRacer into the mix. Or, more easily, let's hit the road for a shorter ride some monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    Thanks, regarding the report.

    No, I haven't thought about any "ultra-endurance" events. The folks at DC Rand are trying to get me to commit to something as easy as a brevet, but since I'm not sure if I'll be racing again this coming year, I hesitate to give them commitments. Maile's working on me though. She'd like a brevet partner...and she wants me ...for a brevet partner.
    Sounds like Maile would be a bit slow for you. though she's got the miles. If I can lose the weight then I hope to actually dip my toe into the racing thing spring 09. The brevet's aren't really races, just have to meet the cut off times, which seem to be pretty generous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    I'd def. read that report. Gotta get in more DCRand rides. Great people and beautiful rides. The only thing I don't like is the long drives out to the starts. Then again, I think NoRacer owes me one.

    HC, (cool hiking pics BTW) the only long ride I've got planned is the BBC ride Barry and I are doing on Nov 16th, but if you wanna hook up for a DCRand ride in Dec that'd be great. I bet we could easily drag NoRacer into the mix. Or, more easily, let's hit the road for a shorter ride some monday.

    Love reading the weekend ride reports here.
    Yes, Bob, I do owe you one.

    Ok, folks, I placed a slideshow link to Maile's pix in my ride report, if you are interested in seeing them.

    Also, I need to apologize for the predominance of too many pix of my butt. I'll need to speak to the woman about that.
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    Looks like everyone had lots of biking this weekend. I rode the W. MD trail w/ my wife. I figured the trees would be great. Some were nice but most were drab. Traffic also sucked(major backup on I-70). The trail itself was really nice and weather perfect.
    josh: bummer about the boink. I know the feeling. I looked at your food, that's what I eat when I don't do anything. You really need to eat a lot more. When I ride long distances I am a big fan of steel cut oats for breakfast. A long slow burn. Another great food is hummus, easy to digest. Save the Gu for late in the ride as you near boinking. Gu will mess w/ your stomach, so will power and cliff bars. Eating while you ride is tough. I often don't feel hungry on long rides. I was told(by ultra long distance cyclits) you should "real" food every hour.
    You rode on I-70 WTF!
    NR: Williamsport ride, did you guys eat at Roses cafe in town? Great little place w/ an excellent owner/cook/hostess. Riding if fog You rode on Sat, with the rain?? That was a nasty day.

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    HC: nice pixs. Any rock climbers there? Have you taken your kids up Old Rag, my favorite hiking in the area. Sucks on the weekends though...to many folks. Are you riding on the pub ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    The only thing I don't like is the long drives out to the starts.
    That is exactly how I felt this wknd riding out to Hancock. Too many car miles. It does let you ride different areas.

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