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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    The brevet's aren't really races, just have to meet the cut off times, which seem to be pretty generous.
    True, that. It becomes a survival thing when the rides start getting so long that sleep deprivation is added to the mix (a la, Paris-Brest-Paris).
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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    Looks like everyone had lots of biking this weekend. I rode the W. MD trail w/ my wife. I figured the trees would be great. Some were nice but most were drab. Traffic also sucked(major backup on I-70). The trail itself was really nice and weather perfect.

    NR: Williamsport ride, did you guys eat at Roses cafe in town? Great little place w/ an excellent owner/cook/hostess. Riding if fog You rode on Sat, with the rain?? That was a nasty day.
    Hey, Charlie! We did a 10 mile stretch of the W. MD trail on the way back to Williamsport yesterday. This picture of Crista and Chuck is at a trailhead:



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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    HC: nice pixs. Any rock climbers there? Have you taken your kids up Old Rag, my favorite hiking in the area. Sucks on the weekends though...to many folks. Are you riding on the pub ride?
    I'm going to try and do the pub ride. The Sunday guys that I ride with may be doing a ride down on the Mt. Vernon trail in DC. I would however like to meet some of you forum folks.

    Didn't do Old Rag. My youngest is four and I carry him on my shoulders a bit, so we keep distances short and elevations reasonable. I carried him a good way up from Dark Hollows Falls, good workout. Enough non bike talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    True, that. It becomes a survival thing when the rides start getting so long that sleep deprivation is added to the mix (a la, Paris-Brest-Paris).
    Yah, not sure how I would do without the sleep, though I would like to do PBP in 2011. I haven't done a 200 k yet so I'll start with that. I read about these guys that set track records, like five days without sleep at avh 21 mph. Last month's Bicycling had a guy who set the indoor stationary bike record, a whole week on the bike without sleep

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    NoRacer's ride to OC is a 300K. 13hrs at 14.4 ave (his rate)
    400K could be ridden in 20hrs. (14mph ave with 45min rest/100k)
    600k would be if NoRacer ate a few pizzas in OC, got a few hours sleep and then headed home.

    I guess any of this stuff can be completed in 5hrs/100k. Harry, I'm in for PBP 2011
    This week, however, I'm in intense training for the brew pub tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    NoRacer's ride to OC is a 300K. 13hrs at 14.4 ave (his rate)
    400K could be ridden in 20hrs. (14mph ave with 45min rest/100k)
    600k would be if NoRacer ate a few pizzas, got a few hours sleep and then headed home.

    I guess any of this stuff can be completed in 5hrs/100k. Harry, I'm in for PBP 2011
    This week, however, I'm in intense training for the brew pub tour.
    Five hours? I'm talking five days, I could never do it. Check out AdventureCorps.com, they run the Furnace Creek 508, that's 508 miles in the desert. I did their camp last year, part anyway as I had the flu and was just not up to consecutive grueling days, but the riding I did do was beautiful. They also do two centuries and double centuries every year out there in Death Valley. I'm tempted to go back out there in February and do the whole camp this time, but there's also this ride that goes around Puerto Rico. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSmrf8tt2Xk
    I think I do more web surfing about all this stuff than actually seriously thinking about doing it. The Adirondack 540 might be in my future if I can get my ass on the saddle a bit more. That's a RAMM qualifying event.
    Might have to do a bit of brew pub training tonight as well. Okay, so PBP 2011 is on the calendar.
    The DC Rand ride is December 13 out of Woodbine,MD, not too far out on 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    NoRacer's ride to OC is a 300K. 13hrs at 14.4 ave (his rate)
    And, that was with ~20 pounds of pack on my back! Thanks to my teammate, Mark who happened to be visiting OC and who relieved me of that backpack, I was able to do ~17 mph on the way home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    I'm going to try and do the pub ride. The Sunday guys that I ride with may be doing a ride down on the Mt. Vernon trail in DC. I would however like to meet some of you forum folks.

    Didn't do Old Rag. My youngest is four and I carry him on my shoulders a bit, so we keep distances short and elevations reasonable. I carried him a good way up from Dark Hollows Falls, good workout. Enough non bike talk.
    Great to hear you're in for the pub ride. A 4 YO on old Rag could be tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    NoRacer's ride to OC is a 300K. 13hrs at 14.4 ave (his rate)
    400K could be ridden in 20hrs. (14mph ave with 45min rest/100k)
    600k would be if NoRacer ate a few pizzas in OC, got a few hours sleep and then headed home.

    I guess any of this stuff can be completed in 5hrs/100k. Harry, I'm in for PBP 2011
    This week, however, I'm in intense training for the brew pub tour.
    Keep working that arm and be careful not to injure your elbow.

    All of this talk about long distance cycling makes me remember back a few years when I road the C&O in a day. I too had dreams of the PBP. Well that ride ended those dreams. I was one hurting old man. most of the pain were minor irritations that slowly grew larger, further into the ride. The 2 biggest problems were my neck and stomach. I, like Josh, ate a lot of cliff bars and gu in the second half of the ride. Major mistake. I ate well for the first half of the ride and felt great. My neck was so friggin sore I could barely hold it up near the end. My legs felt great through the entire ride. I can't imagine riding 300-400 miles let alone 1200 I believe many of the ultra long distance riders sleep in ditches for an hour or 2 when they can.

    NR: Didn't see you on the W.MD. trail. I did see a few tandems. What time were y'all riding. I didn't make it to the eastern end of it though. Rode the other end.

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    Brew Pub Ride

    Okay, GB, can you post the info on the Brew Pub ride one more time? can't find that post.
    Time?-I think you said Druid Park Conservatory.

    Janet Goldstein has a ride on Saturday that looks good, though not sure I would be able to disappear both days. That Chesapeake Beach run is beautiful.

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    Baltimore Brew Pub Bike Tour
    Sunday Nov 2nd
    10:15AM meet up at Druid Hill Conservatory- http://tinyurl.com/brewpubstart
    10:30AM push off (15mi)
    11:30AM 1st drinks at Ellicott Mills
    12:30PM push off (13mi)
    1:30PM 2nd drink at Charlie's
    2:45PM push off (9mi)
    3:30PM 3rd drinks at DuClaw
    4:30PM push off (6mi)
    5:00PM back to Druid Hill
    route: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/213201
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    Quote Originally Posted by greaterbrown View Post
    Baltimore Brew Pub Bike Tour
    Sunday Nov 2nd
    10:15AM meet up at Druid Hill Conservatory- http://tinyurl.com/brewpubstart
    10:30AM push off (15mi)
    11:30AM 1st drinks at Ellicott Mills
    12:30PM push off (13mi)
    1:30PM 2nd drink at Charlie's
    2:45PM push off (9mi)
    3:30PM 3rd drinks at DuClaw
    4:30PM push off (6mi)
    5:00PM back to Druid Hill
    route: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/213201
    How many you have going? I think I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC203 View Post
    How many you have going? I think I'm in.
    I'm planning on being there. It's just a matter of whether I'll be riding to the zoo or driving. If I drive, I'll have to go all of the way back--riding I could leave from the Fells Point area instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    I'm planning on being there. It's just a matter of whether I'll be riding to the zoo or driving. If I drive, I'll have to go all of the way back--riding I could leave from the Fells Point area instead.
    I'll be there. I am also uncertain as to whether I'll drive or bike to the start. I want to bike but might not.

    Max: What are your plans for this event? Do you want to bike down together?

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    I'm obviously in and I'll likely come with a buddy from work who is a rider and brewer.
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    We need help with the Baltimore City bike map in particular the south east quadrant of the City (angelo, noracer, others?)

    If you can please review and send me or One Less Car feedback, TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    We need help with the Baltimore City bike map in particular the south east quadrant of the City (angelo, noracer, others?)

    If you can please review and send me or One Less Car feedback, TIA
    http://www.z2systems.com/np/viewDocu...1d3ee4e8090005
    I got this from Angelo many months ago. http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/montebello-canton
    It was for people coming from Herring Run/Montebello to Canton. His road advice is excellent especially in regards to traffic and criminals. Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    We need help with the Baltimore City bike map in particular the south east quadrant of the City (angelo, noracer, others?)

    If you can please review and send me or One Less Car feedback, TIA
    http://www.z2systems.com/np/viewDocu...1d3ee4e8090005
    I have always like riding Keswick from Wyman park to Wyndhurst.
    I would connect Dukeland to Druid Park via Liberty. I know it sucks but it's short and the only way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    We need help with the Baltimore City bike map in particular the south east quadrant of the City (angelo, noracer, others?)

    If you can please review and send me or One Less Car feedback, TIA
    http://www.z2systems.com/np/viewDocu...1d3ee4e8090005
    Barry, I downloaded the current map. What is it that they want? Roads that I travel? Roads that I am comfortable on? Roads that I feel safe on?

    There seem to be many roads that I have no problem riding on (i.e., Lombard St and Pratt St west of Patterson Park, Patterson Park Ave to Eastern Ave following Eastern Ave all of the way into Essex, Dundalk Ave, Odonnell St, etc.)

    There are many roads that I ride on that an inexperienced cyclists will not feel comfortable or safe on. So, who is the "target audience" for this map?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    Barry, I downloaded the current map. What is it that they want? Roads that I travel? Roads that I am comfortable on? Roads that I feel safe on?

    There seem to be many roads that I have no problem riding on (i.e., Lombard St and Pratt St west of Patterson Park, Patterson Park Ave to Eastern Ave following Eastern Ave all of the way into Essex, Dundalk Ave, Odonnell St, etc.)

    There are many roads that I ride on that an inexperienced cyclists will not feel comfortable or safe on. So, who is the "target audience" for this map?
    I think the best term for what we are looking for is "routes commonly used by bicyclists" or possibly routes that are better then the surrounding roads. Ideally we want a network of roads that a moderately experienced bicyclists will feel comfortable on most of the time.

    Edit:Occasional "incentive" training areas that can't be helped are allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    I think the best term for what we are looking for is "routes commonly used by bicyclists" or possibly routes that are better then the surrounding roads. Ideally we want a network of roads that a moderately experienced bicyclists will feel comfortable on most of the time.
    Ok, thanks.

    That's going to be difficult since I've never seen any other cyclists out on the city "routes" I've used before.

    Are you coming out Sunday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    Max: What are your plans for this event? Do you want to bike down together?
    Hey, guys, sorry, work has been eating me alive lately. I'm going to have to go with an abbreviated version -- I'll ride out to Ellicott Mills to meet up with everyone there, and then to Charlie's, and then I'll have to head home.

    It's possible that I won't be able to make even that short ride. If I'm not there, have a beer or three for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balto charlie View Post
    I got this from Angelo many months ago. http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/montebello-canton
    It was for people coming from Herring Run/Montebello to Canton. ...
    Thanks Charlie,

    Glad you like. I'm not too worried about crime. The only bad things I try to avoid are the following (when riding the city and environs):

    * Strip malls -- because people doing errands get into a "trance-like" state and aren't looking for cyclists as they weave into and out of parking lots.

    * High speed traffic will very little room: Places like Patapsco ave, parts of rt40 near city, route 1 just south of city.

    * Neighborhoods with lots of "unsupervised" children.

    * Places that are a little too desolate. For example, I think its much safer to go through the main drag of westport (annapolis rd) than to take the trail which turns off behind the garbage burning building.


    Other than that, I think that time of day is an important consideration. Friday afternoon and evening is probably the worst possible time to be out riding. One of the two times I've been hit by a car was a Friday evening-- "gently" side swiped by hit-and-run (no damage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    We need help with the Baltimore City bike map in particular the south east quadrant of the City (angelo, noracer, others?)

    If you can please review and send me or One Less Car feedback, TIA
    http://www.z2systems.com/np/viewDocu...1d3ee4e8090005
    Very useful map, it gives me some ideas for new routes (I am not too familiar with NW Baltimore).

    I would consider adding Old Harford Road. It is an easy residential road that forks off from Harford road and goes all the way past 695 and joppa to Cub Hill rd and ultimately access to loch raven.

    Oakleigh is also useful. Although maybe Laurelton is better (haven't tried it).

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    Hey brew pub riders,

    I doubt that any of you are as flakey as me, but just a reminder about the time change.
    Tomorrow meet up at 10:15AM EST -GB
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