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Old 01-15-09, 07:00 PM   #3051
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Were they on bikes? Bob's usually over at Montebello during the week.
No, they were in a car.

I'm not even sure that is was Bob in the passenger seat of the car, but I'm pretty sure Lucasz was driving. He beeped his horn at me as I made the turn on to Walther Blvd. The neighborhood I was in is where Bob lives and they were sort of headed in his direction.
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FWIW In my pre-sandals days it felt like my toes were immersed in ice water and I originally thought it was wind chill, don't mistake moister heat conductivity with wind chill. A simple test is to take some news paper, fold it up to the width of your foot (2-3 sheets of thickness) and fold into a "sandwich" and slip it in between a pair socks (over your toes.) If that helps it's wind chill. If it comes out as paper "lint" you have a moisture problem.

We really need to put the pressure on GB where he is getting his stylish yet functional non-bike clothing.
If time permits I will take the paper test tomorrow.

We haven't heard from GB in awhile. He's probably on the subway

Ride to the train this evening was fine but the train was 20 minutes late with winds increasing. Kinda sucked. I just walked up and down the platform, some stretching and a little whining. Last leg of the commute was cold.
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We haven't heard from GB in awhile. He's probably on the subway
Hey gang. Life's gotten kinda hectic recently with a new location for my job and some stressful family health stuff. I've been riding, but now the commute's up to 17 miles each way and I have to admit it is kinda kicking my butt. I was pushing hard into this morning's 20mph headwind and I still get to work late.
This evening's ride was cold, but nice. I'll get stronger from the extra miles I'm sure.
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GB, nice to hear from you. Yeah, I'm wondering how I will feel once my commute gets extended to 22 miles one-way. I guess I'll adapt.

This morning's ride went like this:

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When I stepped out of the house, I felt overdressed, but after the hour+ of riding was over, I knew that I had to make some changes in how I dressed.

For one, the balaclava needs to go. It gets too wet from my breath, forms frost on the outside, and then I can't breath at all. A face mask that keeps space between my mouth and nose would be the best.

Second, with the wind from the north, I needed more face protection. A knitted ski mask that covers everything except the eyes, and mouth would be better.

I wore ski goggles to protect my eyes. They worked well, except an untinted version would be better--very hard to find.

My feet were starting to get cold even though I wore a CoolMax inner layer followed by two pair of thick wool socks, plastic bags, shoes, neoprene booties, and fabric booties. I think I violated the need to have as much air space as possible--two pair of wool socks definitely made for cramped quarters in my shoes.

Hands--covered by a pair of cotton gloves, then Gore Windstopper gloves, then a pair of wool socks. They stayed warm during the entire ride. I didn't prespire into them too badly, either.

All in all, it was a good ride to try things regarding dressing for the cold. It was bearable this morning. If there's a next time, I'll address the specific problem areas, hopefully making the ride more comfortable.


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Route: -- Elev. Avg: 238 ft 
Location: Essex, MD,  Elev. Gain: +393 ft 
Date: 01/16/09 Up/Downhill: [+1131/-738] 
Time: 06:41 AM Difficulty: 5.0 / 5.0
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Ok. It was a good test of my cold weather gear. I need to update my "spec" 
for dressing for 0-20 degress F (but, the windchill according to weather.gov 
placed temps at -3 F).
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Hey gang. Life's gotten kinda hectic recently with a new location for my job and some stressful family health stuff. I've been riding, but now the commute's up to 17 miles each way and I have to admit it is kinda kicking my butt. I was pushing hard into this morning's 20mph headwind and I still get to work late.
This evening's ride was cold, but nice. I'll get stronger from the extra miles I'm sure.
Hey Bob, sorry to hear about family health problems. hope all works out.
17 miles is a long commute, especially in this weather. hope you are using the subway when possible.

My commute today wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Another thin sweater and poly tights were added to the wardrobe, not to mention paper wind breaks in my socks and the wool mittens.

Barry: My feet don't sweat and paper did not add any warmth. I've decided that the main reason the feet get cold is the pedals. They act like a heat sink. I could feel the cold starting at the soles. Must insulate the pedals...but how??? Plastic pedals? You guys w clipless gotta have a bigger problem because you have a hunk of metal 'in' your shoe.
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NR You're going to be doing 22 miles one way You guys can crank. Sounds like you were Fred today. I have seen face shields for cyclist but can't remember where. My balaclava frosted over and when it did I pull it down. Usually by then my body is putting out some heat. I didn't even wear glasses today. Eyes were fine. I was going to wear some goggles but they have to be put on before helmet. It became a hassle getting dress so I just said FI. I think a full mask is going to get pretty hot. BUT I rode towards the SW so the wind was at my back. I could be preaching another tune when I return this evening towards the NW.
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You guys w clipless gotta have a bigger problem because you have a hunk of metal 'in' your shoe.
Actually the threaded posts are individual and not a plate in the shoes--Sidi Genius.

Most of the metal on my clippless pedal system is the Speedplay plate that is mounted to the shoe, but it's preceeded by a plastic part that may insulate my shoe from the metal to a degree.

The Speedplay pedals, themselves, are mostly plastic--at least the contact surfaces are.

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BUT I rode towards the SW so the wind was at my back. I could be preaching another tune when I return this evening towards the NW.
Yup, when my back was to the wind, I had no problem keeping my lips exposed, but into the wind--no way. I didn't want frost bitten lips.
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GB-Hope all works out well with the health issues, family health problems always bring things into sharp focus. The riding will do you good.

Goggles-I have a pair of motorcycle goggles with clear lenses, haven't used them yet for cycling but I'm thinking about it.

I need to start working outside the house so I can get back into this daily commuting thing, something say 25 miles away or so.

Tucson looks mighty good right now.-even my daily 1.5 mile run requires bundling up. I will be riding downtown tomorrow for the Obama speech at the War Memorial.

My existing mt bike shoes have a metal plate directly under the insert that holds the cleats in, serious cold conductor.
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Charlie, a few comments; that test really helps isolate your issue. IMHO you need some combination of the following: insulated soles and/or the ability to pull up on the pedal stroke. If you are constantly pushing down on the pedal you squish out all the insulating air and will suffer heat transfer even with plastic pedals, maybe something like Power Grips might be to your liking. My first year or two on the bike I used winter hiking boots which worked well for the distances I was doing then.
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You need a pair of these. I'll try them out tomorrow.
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Yeah, that's better than these:

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TURBO! I might wear these tomorrow, a bit bulky but they feel pretty cozy.

Is that helmet cover a BBC team certified pink?

I got a chartreuse night reflective cover, probably should wear that tomorrow as well.

By the way, I'm heading downtown tomorrow to see the Obama whistlestop. Shakedown for Tuesday.
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Is that helmet cover a BBC team certified pink?
Wish I could go Tuesday. Looks like we're working.

The helmet cover is actually a RED knitted cap. It stretches enough to fit over my helmet. The lighting changed it to pink--it and the hooded sweatshirt I'm wearing.
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HR: I forgot to tell you that a pic of you from Bike to Work day is in the BRTB newsletter. I am so tempted to send the pink ninja pic in for the next newsletter. j/k I picked up a few extra copies of the newsletter if you want. Also, last meeting we discussed Bike to Work Day and I was wondering if you and your live tracking option would be interested in being promoted for the next Bike to Work Day? Sort of like NORAD tracking Santa Clause but different. Anyway thanks for the laugh.
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NR: Also, last meeting we discussed Bike to Work Day and I was wondering if you and your live tracking option would be interested in being promoted for the next Bike to Work Day? Sort of like NORAD tracking Santa Clause but different. Anyway thanks for the laugh.
Sure! I plan on being there.

So, you guys are going to set up a PC? Cool! But, this may mean I'll need to start later, so that people can see it work. The past 2 years, I have been at the Towson courthouse [nearly] before anyone else.
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Sure! I plan on being there.

So, you guys are going to set up a PC? Cool! But, this may mean I'll need to start later, so that people can see it work. The past 2 years, I have been at the Towson courthouse [nearly] before anyone else.
My thinking is that the target audience would be those who don't Bike to Work, give them a gimmick to tune into one cyclist's adventure and visually see what a biking distance is for a healthy adult and hopefully we'll see some preconceived notions go up in smoke.
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My thinking is that the target audience would be those who don't Bike to Work, give them a gimmick to tune into one cyclist's adventure and visually see what a biking distance is for a healthy adult and hopefully we'll see some preconceived notions go up in smoke.
I'm up for it. I think it'll be great. I've always liked -Bike Advocacy By Riding Around- (tm)

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Actually the threaded posts are individual and not a plate in the shoes--Sidi Genius.

Most of the metal on my clippless pedal system is the Speedplay plate that is mounted to the shoe, but it's preceeded by a plastic part that may insulate my shoe from the metal to a degree.

The Speedplay pedals, themselves, are mostly plastic--at least the contact surfaces are.
You and Harry are absolutely hideous looking. I was much hipper looking than you guys
Interesting info on the speedplay. I will have to look at them. I am going to swap out my pedals for my eggbeaters and see how they work. I really felt the pedal last night on my ride home. Ride home wasn't bad tho'. I actually broke sweat and the winds were no problem. The cold is not so bad w/out the wind.
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Charlie, a few comments; that test really helps isolate your issue. IMHO you need some combination of the following: insulated soles and/or the ability to pull up on the pedal stroke. If you are constantly pushing down on the pedal you squish out all the insulating air and will suffer heat transfer even with plastic pedals, maybe something like Power Grips might be to your liking. My first year or two on the bike I used winter hiking boots which worked well for the distances I was doing then.
I use plastic toe clips with my commuters so I do get an upward stroke. Plastic does not transfer heat the way dense metal does.
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By the way, I'm heading downtown tomorrow to see the Obama whistlestop. Shakedown for Tuesday.
dress warm. Apparently they have a fence around the entire area. Gates open at 11 and he talks at 4. Bring a thermos of tea....probably won't let it in.
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You and Harry are absolutely hideous looking. I was much hipper looking than you guys
Picture, or it doesn't happen!

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Anyone going to brave the cold and ride ride this morning? Weather on WJZ and WBAL show its 3 degrees out. I am dying to ride, I have a total of 0 miles this week! And the wife may like the trainer, however I would rather bundle up and ride at 10mph in 0 degree weather.

I'm planning on wearing this, might be a little hot, but everything zips so I can breath.

Top
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-heavy fleece
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-Slightly looser ua pants over top
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-thicker balaclava (might end up shedding this if I get hot)
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-heavy cowhide gloves

I'm hoping to get in about 25 miles, but if I get too cold I'll just come home. Maybe cut through the city and go to the inlaws and back.

We'll see, right?
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Change in the weather, now its 18 degrees, that was weird up until 12, they said it was 0 out, I guess they weere wrong. My home thermometer said about 15, I just figured it was a $2 walmart one so it might be wrong.

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