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Old 02-19-07, 01:45 PM   #351
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Maybe I should just start doing 3-4 10-15min sessions in a day rather than trying to do one longer session.



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That's the secret.

If you are only putting in base miles at a sub-FTP or LT pace, then split the workbouts up into smaller chunks and take short breaks (no more than a minute rest) between the workbouts.

Getting used to the rollers, I started with 15 minute workbouts with > than a minute rest between. But once I became more comfortable, I needed only a minute to 30 seconds to just towel off or drink something. Now, I'm doing 20 minutes with 1 minute to 30 seconds between plus throwing in some high speed seated sprints at the end and fast spinning w/low force throughout the session.

Also, you can work on your neuromuscular coordination by learning to smooth out your spin where you can do it with no hands.
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That's the secret.

If you are only putting in base miles at a sub-FTP or LT pace, then split the workbouts up into smaller chunks and take short breaks (no more than a minute rest) between the workbouts.

Getting used to the rollers, I started with 15 minute workbouts with > than a minute rest between. But once I became more comfortable, I needed only a minute to 30 seconds to just towel off or drink something. Now, I'm doing 20 minutes with 1 minute to 30 seconds between plus throwing in some high speed seated sprints at the end and fast spinning w/low force throughout the session.

Also, you can work on your neuromuscular coordination by learning to smooth out your spin where you can do it with no hands.
Yea, I just need more practice. The basic problem is I don't feel I can spin under a certain amount without feeling wobbly. So I am hammering pretty hard the whole time.

Part of the problem too, is a buddy talked me into doing a triathlon this spring, so I bought some aerobars, which I have found I really don't use much. But having them on means I lose the tops of my handlebars. I think being able to hold the tops would make the rollers a bit easier to get used to. Maybe I will rip those things off this afternoon and put em up on ebay or something.

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I couldn't hold the tops comfortably at first. I started on the hoods.
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Anyone up for a saturday morning ride? My wife will be out of town this weekend, and it is my birthday weekend. So I am gonna head down to my parents (they live in Cape St. Claire, near annapolis) friday night with the kids. That way I can get out on the bike nice and early for a decent ride. Have to be back by 2pm for my b'day dinner.

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so are you looking to ride in Annapolis then?
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so are you looking to ride in Annapolis then?
This weekend? Dunno exactly. I could head west from my parents house towards annapolis. Or head north towards baltimore/BWI area.

Can't ride over the bay bridge so east is pretty much out.

I have a buddy north near BWI. I need to see if he is interested.

Usually I ride with my dad, who pretty much likes the B&A trail. Personally I find the trail a bit boring. Plus I dunno if it would be plowed. And if it never got plowed, there are areas shady enough that it still could have snow this weekend I suppose.

Honestly I haven't thought that far ahead yet in that much detail. I'm kinda hoping someone in that area wants to ride and already knows a good route

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This weekend? Dunno exactly. I could head west from my parents house towards annapolis. Or head north towards baltimore/BWI area.

Can't ride over the bay bridge so east is pretty much out.

I have a buddy north near BWI. I need to see if he is interested.

Usually I ride with my dad, who pretty much likes the B&A trail. Personally I find the trail a bit boring. Plus I dunno if it would be plowed. And if it never got plowed, there are areas shady enough that it still could have snow this weekend I suppose.

Honestly I haven't thought that far ahead yet in that much detail. I'm kinda hoping someone in that area wants to ride and already knows a good route

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You could always go south into St. Mary's. I attempted this once, but got lost--it was ill planned. I need to spend some time in Google Maps before I try it again.

I'm up for another epic journey--quantified as a Training Stress Score (TSS) of 400 or better by Coggan. As a reference, the 145 miler I did not too long back, had a TSS of 800+. I'm not looking for another one of those (yet), but something in the 500 range would be ok.

I'll get back with you, -D, on this. I definitely will ride with you Saturday, but it's just a matter of do I want to bike to Annapolis from Essex and meet you, drive to BWI and start from there and meet you, or just drive to a meeting place in Annapolis and ride from there.
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Anyone up for a saturday morning ride? My wife will be out of town this weekend, and it is my birthday weekend. So I am gonna head down to my parents (they live in Cape St. Claire, near annapolis) friday night with the kids. That way I can get out on the bike nice and early for a decent ride. Have to be back by 2pm for my b'day dinner.

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I'm riding with my TNT group this weekend out of the Davidsonville P&R. I'm not sure where we are headed though. This will be my first ride with this group outdoors. Should be fun.
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-D,

Since it's your birthday, I'll forgo the "epic" journey thing. I'll just look forward to meeting you somewhere and riding out from there. Maybe we can just roam around Annapolis proper and then wind our way to Bay Ridge Rd following that to the Highland Beach peninsula area

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we could try to meet up with Don's group.

It's up to you.
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So, besides me and -D, where's everyone else and have you been riding?
crazy busy at work. I broke my string of 4 weeks of bike commuting last Thursday so I could pick up my van! The last couple of days commuting have been sketchy because of no shoulder, regular car traffic and black ice. My van is home from the shop but is on the trading block. Needs too much work for 140,000 mile vehicle. I am slowing becoming Barry...the human car. I ain't that tough. It feels rather balmy this week. Could winter be over?
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It feels rather balmy this week. Could winter be over?
Not likely, but I hope so, too.

I've been commuting to work on the bike, again, since yesterday. It was a little sketchy, yesterday morning. I gave myself a little more time and took it slow in the areas that I reconn'ed for black ice Monday in my motor vehicle. Nevertheless, my time was faster than some of the most recent commutes to work.

Yesterday afternoon's ride back home was wet, salty, and muddy, but it was one of my fastest trips home since the latest cold snap. I averaged just under 18 MPH on wet, grimey, muddy roads that are still lined with aged snow.

This morning, I was a little more reckless, because I knew it was relatively warm over night. My time was about the same as yesterday, but I felt some latent fatigue from yesterday's activity.

I think I'm seeing some benefit from my time on the rollers. I need to continue doing roller rides even if the weather gets better.
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You could always go south into St. Mary's. I attempted this once, but got lost--it was ill planned. I need to spend some time in Google Maps before I try it again.

I'm up for another epic journey--quantified as a Training Stress Score (TSS) of 400 or better by Coggan. As a reference, the 145 miler I did not too long back, had a TSS of 800+. I'm not looking for another one of those (yet), but something in the 500 range would be ok.

I'll get back with you, -D, on this. I definitely will ride with you Saturday, but it's just a matter of do I want to bike to Annapolis from Essex and meet you, drive to BWI and start from there and meet you, or just drive to a meeting place in Annapolis and ride from there.
Stop in at the Md welcome center and ask. They have bicycle orented road maps.

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I have been trepidatious about leaving the city since the snow fall so I have been doing mostly short 10-20 mile rides around the city. Any way this is where I have been since my last post here:
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Stop in at the Md welcome center and ask. They have bicycle orented road maps.

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Thanks for the info.

I've already acquired a Maryland State Bicycle map from the State Hiway Administration which states which roads and bridges that are fully or partially prohibited. So, usually I just go to www.bikely.com or some other Google Maps derivative to map a route if I don't already have one.
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Well we are having a baby shower this Saturday so I don't think going to Annapolis beforehand is going to happen for me.
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Hey guys. I have been busy down here at a client in Tysons Corner today. Working like crazy so I can get back on the road before the afternoon rush. I will get back to you later tonight.

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I am slowing becoming Barry...the human car. I ain't that tough.
Exactly, once you survive not having a car for a short time you really start to question whether it is really worth keeping/replacing the thing or just use taxies and car rentals for the few times you really need a car, that’s what I did for my first car free year and it worked out fine. And as you said it's not that tough.

FWIW The state should have a new bike map out in March and I had a look at it during the bike symposium and it is a lot better then the old one. They even have BikeWashington.org’s Balto-Washington bike route marked (though I wished they would have done some more invasion routes not just for DC but other areas as well but that’s the price we pay for the state not wanting me on that committee.) But as I said it is better so that's not a bad thing.
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^^^^^^ Barry, do you know when the new map will be available? Mine is in very bad repair.
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^^^ I’ll at least post something on Baltimore Spokes when it is available and possibly on BF as well. I hear it will be available in March sometime (it was supposed to be available at the bike symposium but the time table slipped.) I assume if you email bikes@sha.state.md.us they will send you one when it comes off the press.
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Montgomery County here... soon to be Howard County come April (First House!). BTW, I haven't read the entire thread to see if this has already been done yet, but if someone can link me some nice routes in the ellicot city/columbia area, I'd appreciate it.
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Montgomery County here... soon to be Howard County come April (First House!). BTW, I haven't read the entire thread to see if this has already been done yet, but if someone can link me some nice routes in the ellicot city/columbia area, I'd appreciate it.
You can check these sites for something:

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Montgomery County here... soon to be Howard County come April (First House!). BTW, I haven't read the entire thread to see if this has already been done yet, but if someone can link me some nice routes in the ellicot city/columbia area, I'd appreciate it.

Where in HoCo? Pretty much the question is "where isn't it nice to ride" Pretty much all of the country roads are awesome to ride on IMO. I work in Columbia so I often take long lunch rides where i just pick a road and head out.

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Since it's your birthday, I'll forgo the "epic" journey thing. I'll just look forward to meeting you somewhere and riding out from there. Maybe we can just roam around Annapolis proper and then wind our way to Bay Ridge Rd following that to the Highland Beach peninsula area

or

we could try to meet up with Don's group.

It's up to you.

Hey if you want epic that is plenty cool. I haven't gotten in nearly the miles I have wanted to so far this year. So you will definitely be riding circles around me anyhow.

Anyhow. I was goofing around a little on Routeslip. Here is the Route from my parents house up the B&A to BWI. We could both ride from our respective homes and meet at BWI, and then tool around up there. The only problem is I don't know of many decent roads to ride on up that way. We could do a couple loops of the BWI trail or something.

http://www.routeslip.com/routes/22602

I was also playing around with getting around Annapolis. This isn't a complete out and back route, but one that goes to Thomas point. Ya know I grew up in the area and I don't think I have ever been to Thomas Point park. Plenty of places to tool around in that area. And I am sure the homes and the views are grand. Hopefully saturday morning the roads wouldn't be too crazy.

http://www.routeslip.com/routes/22605


I probably will start from the house. It increases the amount of cycling time vs driving in the car time.

The ride with Don could be fun too. Although it makes me a bit nervous. What kind of ride is it Don? Are we talking an A/B class ride or something a bit more relaxed?

Either way, I figure those routes also give you a good idea of my start location. It is a pretty easy shot down the B&A etc.

Overall, I just wanna get on the bike and ride darnit! Don't really care that much where.


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Let's plan on meeting at BWI. If you don't mind, the "Observation Parking Lot" on Dorsey Rd is right on the BWI Trail. We could meet there, then head south to Annapolis and the point. I still have your cell phone number and you likely still have mine, so if we get crossed up we can contact each other.

What time do you want to meet?

Anyone else want to join us?
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Let's plan on meeting at BWI. If you don't mind, the "Observation Parking Lot" on Dorsey Rd is right on the BWI Trail. We could meet there, then head south to Annapolis and the point. I still have your cell phone number and you likely still have mine, so if we get crossed up we can contact each other.

What time do you want to meet?

Anyone else want to join us?
The Observation parking lot is perfect.

I mapped out this route. Let me know what you think

http://www.routeslip.com/routes/22625

It gives us some good scenery through annapolis. Right past the Naval academy (shame it isn't as easy as it used to be to get through the gates, cause biking around the academy grounds would be fun). St. Margarets road on the way back should give us some of the only small climbs we will likely see on this flat run.

If we are ahead of schedule we can tack on this detour out to Sandy Point St. Park for an extra 5 miles or so

http://www.routeslip.com/routes/22628

And then we can end up at my parents' house. You can use the bathroom, refill bottles there if needed. I will make you a cue sheet and print up a map to get you from there back to the B&A Trail. It is pretty easy.

That should give me a nice 55-60 mile ride and maybe 80 or so for you? Be a fun day.

How would 9:30am be? That should easily get me back to my parents house sometime between noon and 1pm. It will give me some time to visit (don't want to seem totally anti social). And plenty of time before our afternoon dinner.
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