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09-03-09, 02:23 PM
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Sounds intriguing. Never done any kind of group ride, so I was "concerned" when I heard folks talk about casual 16-17 mph kinds of pace on group rides! I think I'm more interested in meeting folks than anything else... besides, my ride yesterday was the worst; headed north on the Greenway, knew I'd have headwinds going but could cruise fast going back south (was supposed to be north 5-6 all day). Coming back I thought for sure something was way wrong with my bike as it was VERY difficult and an extra slow slog. Damn, found some moored boats and see wind had shifted 180º to south and seemed to be 10-12. I'm ready for leisurely... I'm going to try and make it down from up north!
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Looks like it may be a tad cloudy tonight, but if we're going to be off the loop, might not mean much. I DO have some small LED flashlights and am creating some way to mount them so I have some light! Even so, I'm guessing as long as I'm not leading, I'll have plenty of light for others.
I went looking at lights, good grief, they have MANY that run 500 to 700 bucks!
I went looking at lights, good grief, they have MANY that run 500 to 700 bucks!
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It's a very nice ride for meeting other riders - lots of time to say hello at the start and you ride two-three abreast in most cases.
Don't sweat the lights thing - it's nice when we hit very dark areas but not absolutely necessary
Don't sweat the lights thing - it's nice when we hit very dark areas but not absolutely necessary
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Did the ride last night... and managed to embarrass the hell out of myself...
It didn't get rolling until close to 10:30. Part of that was a stop right inside the Park with explanation of the leader, the leader setting those near her to stop and direct riders (good stuff). Looked like there could have been close to 100 folks... many kids, a few tandems, a roller blader... and it seemed most of them were there for the first time. Off onto the pedestrian paths... but going VERY slowly. I mean of the 2-3 mph variety. I found myself in several dicey situations, trying to avoid hitting people. One little kid seemed to be having troubles keeping straight, I had to stop at one pont because I didn't want to hit him. I do fine at more normal pace, but did have some difficulty going so slow.
I have worked on hill climbing and am finally in decent shape for doing it, BUT I always have some pace going into it. There was one very short very steep hill, and I didn't really see it until it was too late. Of course, another huge slow down so I was going 1-2 entering it. This didn't work at all, I was in my normal hill gear which is much higher than what might have saved me here. Had to walk the bike for the 20-25 feet or so.
Now the red faced part... going around the sailing pond by the Alice In Wonderland statue, I was enjoying a nice chat with a riding companion I had kind of settling in with. Got myself into a bad position, right next to the edge of the pond. I got the feeling I was being pressed into that curb. Hit it and simply was not agile enough to drop my left leg so I tumble right over the edge and into the water! I mean me AND the bike got soaked. Immediately I got loads of help offered... I wanted to tell them to forget they ever saw this maneuver!
Fortunately they did NOT head for Harlem Hill, they used the 102nd st. traverse to get to the West Drive. They branched off onto more pedestrian paths, but I split because this is the entrance/exit for where I live (100th street entrance) and I was still soaking as were towels and extra clothes I had brought for the trip (my shoes may take days to dry out).
Not sure if this is truth or somone being extra nice to me, but my companion said her friends told here that there is a long history of folks ending up in the pond. True or not, it was a nice thing to say. Still, I was mightily embarassed.
I was looking forward to meeting some BF folks, but everyone I talked to said they were new and most seemed to not know about this place. Might be an idea to pick a very specific spot to gather before the ride...
They have a Riverside ride, that is supposed to be up to that 102nd st. tranverse, then through city streets to the Greenway and back down. Can't see HOW they could do that in the hour and a half they said the ride would last. Leaving the park and getting on the Greenway WOULD take quite a bit of time, especially if they do the circuitous route at 2-3 mph they did last night.
A light is actually a very good thing to have, some of the pathways are VERY dark. I also think it would be good if they were more active spacing people out. With that amount of people, there are many choke points...
It didn't get rolling until close to 10:30. Part of that was a stop right inside the Park with explanation of the leader, the leader setting those near her to stop and direct riders (good stuff). Looked like there could have been close to 100 folks... many kids, a few tandems, a roller blader... and it seemed most of them were there for the first time. Off onto the pedestrian paths... but going VERY slowly. I mean of the 2-3 mph variety. I found myself in several dicey situations, trying to avoid hitting people. One little kid seemed to be having troubles keeping straight, I had to stop at one pont because I didn't want to hit him. I do fine at more normal pace, but did have some difficulty going so slow.
I have worked on hill climbing and am finally in decent shape for doing it, BUT I always have some pace going into it. There was one very short very steep hill, and I didn't really see it until it was too late. Of course, another huge slow down so I was going 1-2 entering it. This didn't work at all, I was in my normal hill gear which is much higher than what might have saved me here. Had to walk the bike for the 20-25 feet or so.
Now the red faced part... going around the sailing pond by the Alice In Wonderland statue, I was enjoying a nice chat with a riding companion I had kind of settling in with. Got myself into a bad position, right next to the edge of the pond. I got the feeling I was being pressed into that curb. Hit it and simply was not agile enough to drop my left leg so I tumble right over the edge and into the water! I mean me AND the bike got soaked. Immediately I got loads of help offered... I wanted to tell them to forget they ever saw this maneuver!
Fortunately they did NOT head for Harlem Hill, they used the 102nd st. traverse to get to the West Drive. They branched off onto more pedestrian paths, but I split because this is the entrance/exit for where I live (100th street entrance) and I was still soaking as were towels and extra clothes I had brought for the trip (my shoes may take days to dry out).
Not sure if this is truth or somone being extra nice to me, but my companion said her friends told here that there is a long history of folks ending up in the pond. True or not, it was a nice thing to say. Still, I was mightily embarassed.
I was looking forward to meeting some BF folks, but everyone I talked to said they were new and most seemed to not know about this place. Might be an idea to pick a very specific spot to gather before the ride...
They have a Riverside ride, that is supposed to be up to that 102nd st. tranverse, then through city streets to the Greenway and back down. Can't see HOW they could do that in the hour and a half they said the ride would last. Leaving the park and getting on the Greenway WOULD take quite a bit of time, especially if they do the circuitous route at 2-3 mph they did last night.
A light is actually a very good thing to have, some of the pathways are VERY dark. I also think it would be good if they were more active spacing people out. With that amount of people, there are many choke points...
09-05-09, 09:36 AM
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Did the ride last night... and managed to embarrass the hell out of myself...
It didn't get rolling until close to 10:30. Part of that was a stop right inside the Park with explanation of the leader, the leader setting those near her to stop and direct riders (good stuff). Looked like there could have been close to 100 folks... many kids, a few tandems, a roller blader... and it seemed most of them were there for the first time. Off onto the pedestrian paths... but going VERY slowly. I mean of the 2-3 mph variety. I found myself in several dicey situations, trying to avoid hitting people. One little kid seemed to be having troubles keeping straight, I had to stop at one pont because I didn't want to hit him. I do fine at more normal pace, but did have some difficulty going so slow.
I have worked on hill climbing and am finally in decent shape for doing it, BUT I always have some pace going into it. There was one very short very steep hill, and I didn't really see it until it was too late. Of course, another huge slow down so I was going 1-2 entering it. This didn't work at all, I was in my normal hill gear which is much higher than what might have saved me here. Had to walk the bike for the 20-25 feet or so.
Now the red faced part... going around the sailing pond by the Alice In Wonderland statue, I was enjoying a nice chat with a riding companion I had kind of settling in with. Got myself into a bad position, right next to the edge of the pond. I got the feeling I was being pressed into that curb. Hit it and simply was not agile enough to drop my left leg so I tumble right over the edge and into the water! I mean me AND the bike got soaked. Immediately I got loads of help offered... I wanted to tell them to forget they ever saw this maneuver!
Fortunately they did NOT head for Harlem Hill, they used the 102nd st. traverse to get to the West Drive. They branched off onto more pedestrian paths, but I split because this is the entrance/exit for where I live (100th street entrance) and I was still soaking as were towels and extra clothes I had brought for the trip (my shoes may take days to dry out).
Not sure if this is truth or somone being extra nice to me, but my companion said her friends told here that there is a long history of folks ending up in the pond. True or not, it was a nice thing to say. Still, I was mightily embarassed.
I was looking forward to meeting some BF folks, but everyone I talked to said they were new and most seemed to not know about this place. Might be an idea to pick a very specific spot to gather before the ride...
They have a Riverside ride, that is supposed to be up to that 102nd st. tranverse, then through city streets to the Greenway and back down. Can't see HOW they could do that in the hour and a half they said the ride would last. Leaving the park and getting on the Greenway WOULD take quite a bit of time, especially if they do the circuitous route at 2-3 mph they did last night.
A light is actually a very good thing to have, some of the pathways are VERY dark. I also think it would be good if they were more active spacing people out. With that amount of people, there are many choke points...
It didn't get rolling until close to 10:30. Part of that was a stop right inside the Park with explanation of the leader, the leader setting those near her to stop and direct riders (good stuff). Looked like there could have been close to 100 folks... many kids, a few tandems, a roller blader... and it seemed most of them were there for the first time. Off onto the pedestrian paths... but going VERY slowly. I mean of the 2-3 mph variety. I found myself in several dicey situations, trying to avoid hitting people. One little kid seemed to be having troubles keeping straight, I had to stop at one pont because I didn't want to hit him. I do fine at more normal pace, but did have some difficulty going so slow.
I have worked on hill climbing and am finally in decent shape for doing it, BUT I always have some pace going into it. There was one very short very steep hill, and I didn't really see it until it was too late. Of course, another huge slow down so I was going 1-2 entering it. This didn't work at all, I was in my normal hill gear which is much higher than what might have saved me here. Had to walk the bike for the 20-25 feet or so.
Now the red faced part... going around the sailing pond by the Alice In Wonderland statue, I was enjoying a nice chat with a riding companion I had kind of settling in with. Got myself into a bad position, right next to the edge of the pond. I got the feeling I was being pressed into that curb. Hit it and simply was not agile enough to drop my left leg so I tumble right over the edge and into the water! I mean me AND the bike got soaked. Immediately I got loads of help offered... I wanted to tell them to forget they ever saw this maneuver!
Fortunately they did NOT head for Harlem Hill, they used the 102nd st. traverse to get to the West Drive. They branched off onto more pedestrian paths, but I split because this is the entrance/exit for where I live (100th street entrance) and I was still soaking as were towels and extra clothes I had brought for the trip (my shoes may take days to dry out).
Not sure if this is truth or somone being extra nice to me, but my companion said her friends told here that there is a long history of folks ending up in the pond. True or not, it was a nice thing to say. Still, I was mightily embarassed.
I was looking forward to meeting some BF folks, but everyone I talked to said they were new and most seemed to not know about this place. Might be an idea to pick a very specific spot to gather before the ride...
They have a Riverside ride, that is supposed to be up to that 102nd st. tranverse, then through city streets to the Greenway and back down. Can't see HOW they could do that in the hour and a half they said the ride would last. Leaving the park and getting on the Greenway WOULD take quite a bit of time, especially if they do the circuitous route at 2-3 mph they did last night.
A light is actually a very good thing to have, some of the pathways are VERY dark. I also think it would be good if they were more active spacing people out. With that amount of people, there are many choke points...
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Didn't mean to imply it all was at an extra slow pace. But it seemed whenever it got up over 5, it thinned out. I think the issue may have had a lot to do with choke points. As in too many people plus sharp turns, short uphill etc. I have zero experience with group riding, but it seemed with that many folks, they could have done a little more of the big road or had routes that didn't have as many choke points. I did hear that there were others with scrapped body parts...
Part of why I went on about it is to give others and idea of what to expect. Now I know how to better enjoy the ride and not embarrass myself the next time. While I did get banged up a bit, might have had a lot more road rash if it wasn't water!
Part of why I went on about it is to give others and idea of what to expect. Now I know how to better enjoy the ride and not embarrass myself the next time. While I did get banged up a bit, might have had a lot more road rash if it wasn't water!
09-05-09, 11:35 AM
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Didn't mean to imply it all was at an extra slow pace. But it seemed whenever it got up over 5, it thinned out. I think the issue may have had a lot to do with choke points. As in too many people plus sharp turns, short uphill etc. I have zero experience with group riding, but it seemed with that many folks, they could have done a little more of the big road or had routes that didn't have as many choke points. I did hear that there were others with scrapped body parts...
Part of why I went on about it is to give others and idea of what to expect. Now I know how to better enjoy the ride and not embarrass myself the next time. While I did get banged up a bit, might have had a lot more road rash if it wasn't water!
Part of why I went on about it is to give others and idea of what to expect. Now I know how to better enjoy the ride and not embarrass myself the next time. While I did get banged up a bit, might have had a lot more road rash if it wasn't water!
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09-06-09, 07:54 AM
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Oh yeah, I remember you! (I was sweeping)
Oops - sorry! *erasing from memory*
The guy in the yellow jersey that hung around a bit was pgoat 
A lot less people and faster roads so it doesn't bottleneck as much.
Immediately I got loads of help offered... I wanted to tell them to forget they ever saw this maneuver!
I was looking forward to meeting some BF folks, but everyone I talked to said they were new and most seemed to not know about this place. Might be an idea to pick a very specific spot to gather before the ride...
They have a Riverside ride, that is supposed to be up to that 102nd st. tranverse, then through city streets to the Greenway and back down. Can't see HOW they could do that in the hour and a half they said the ride would last. Leaving the park and getting on the Greenway WOULD take quite a bit of time, especially if they do the circuitous route at 2-3 mph they did last night.
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09-06-09, 07:56 AM
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Loses the spirit of the ride a bit.
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09-06-09, 08:44 AM
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Ah, yes I remember the guy in the yellow jersey... he told me to make sure the bike was OK (good advice... when I got home, my rear brakes were squealing a bit, but I see the rim was still covered in silt, so I washed that off and will see today when I go riding). Indeed, I felt that I had great support from fellow riders...
My only suggestion to the organizers is maybe to have the riders chosen to direct at each turn would also try and thin the pack out a bit, especially at the choke points. Yes it was my first group ride, but I do kinda bring a fresh view to the table. No I wouldn't want or think the route should change, but having to pay so much attention to not hit people/cause an accident kinda distracts the otherwise very bucolic setting might be addressed.
Being 1/2 block from RSP, I kinda feel it's like my back yard (one that I am happy to share with all!) so baring injuries or bad weather, I'll be back at it.
Occurs to me the guy I talked to didn't seem to say the part in RSP was on the Greenway, I just kinda assumed that. There is one short but fairly steep uphill for the detour after passing the 96th street tennis courts. I think it best to let 2-3-4 riders at a time take it on. Otherwise, the group will need to pass the 95th street exit from the highway.
When it gets closer, I'll try and stake out/tlak up a spot for BFers to meet at Columbus Circle...
My only suggestion to the organizers is maybe to have the riders chosen to direct at each turn would also try and thin the pack out a bit, especially at the choke points. Yes it was my first group ride, but I do kinda bring a fresh view to the table. No I wouldn't want or think the route should change, but having to pay so much attention to not hit people/cause an accident kinda distracts the otherwise very bucolic setting might be addressed.
Being 1/2 block from RSP, I kinda feel it's like my back yard (one that I am happy to share with all!) so baring injuries or bad weather, I'll be back at it.
Occurs to me the guy I talked to didn't seem to say the part in RSP was on the Greenway, I just kinda assumed that. There is one short but fairly steep uphill for the detour after passing the 96th street tennis courts. I think it best to let 2-3-4 riders at a time take it on. Otherwise, the group will need to pass the 95th street exit from the highway.
When it gets closer, I'll try and stake out/tlak up a spot for BFers to meet at Columbus Circle...
09-06-09, 09:07 AM
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My only suggestion to the organizers is maybe to have the riders chosen to direct at each turn would also try and thin the pack out a bit, especially at the choke points. Yes it was my first group ride, but I do kinda bring a fresh view to the table. No I wouldn't want or think the route should change, but having to pay so much attention to not hit people/cause an accident kinda distracts the otherwise very bucolic setting might be addressed.
Being 1/2 block from RSP, I kinda feel it's like my back yard (one that I am happy to share with all!) so baring injuries or bad weather, I'll be back at it.
Occurs to me the guy I talked to didn't seem to say the part in RSP was on the Greenway, I just kinda assumed that. There is one short but fairly steep uphill for the detour after passing the 96th street tennis courts. I think it best to let 2-3-4 riders at a time take it on. Otherwise, the group will need to pass the 95th street exit from the highway.
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09-06-09, 10:17 AM
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For a while I got kinda stuck behind a little kid (red blinkie on top of his helmet) who was all over the pathway... causing me to veer around more than if I wasn't so fearful of hitting him!
Yes I DO understand it's the nature of the pathway more than the size of the group... things did spread out a bit when there were no choke points.
Already figured the back of the pack is the place to be when so many are there (or stop before choke points until the crowd thins)! Normally I'd prefer the front, but it looked like riding up there at some point would get me to the back of the pack! Then again, I did get into a conversation with someone and wanted to keep it going!
FWIW I know the best way (IMO) to get from the Park to RSP... assuming the ride goes out on the 100th street entrance/exit. Some of it has to be against traffic, but 100th is pretty wide and the 25 is there, so traffic tends to be sedate.
Damn, it's getting late, gotta hit the CP loop today, saw hi if you see this crazy guy with an orange tank top, white/gray helmet, beard, no socks, blue US Ski Team belt pack...
Yes I DO understand it's the nature of the pathway more than the size of the group... things did spread out a bit when there were no choke points.
Already figured the back of the pack is the place to be when so many are there (or stop before choke points until the crowd thins)! Normally I'd prefer the front, but it looked like riding up there at some point would get me to the back of the pack! Then again, I did get into a conversation with someone and wanted to keep it going!
FWIW I know the best way (IMO) to get from the Park to RSP... assuming the ride goes out on the 100th street entrance/exit. Some of it has to be against traffic, but 100th is pretty wide and the 25 is there, so traffic tends to be sedate.
Damn, it's getting late, gotta hit the CP loop today, saw hi if you see this crazy guy with an orange tank top, white/gray helmet, beard, no socks, blue US Ski Team belt pack...
09-06-09, 10:21 AM
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Enjoy - gorgeous day out there!
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That it was... AND I arrived home dry! Timed it just right, as I was leaving the park, the clouds rolled in. AND I found the new 2010 Trek catalog in my mailbox so I can drool.
I even ran into a guy I had chatted with on the moonlight ride (non BFer)... he comes from Staten Island and apparently MUCH prefers to come into Manhattan to ride. He's up for the Riverside Ride...
I even ran into a guy I had chatted with on the moonlight ride (non BFer)... he comes from Staten Island and apparently MUCH prefers to come into Manhattan to ride. He's up for the Riverside Ride...
09-06-09, 08:56 PM
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stuff happens - one of my many falls this year was when I was riding to work along the yellow center line on 59th street...I do this every day but this day it was raining and there was a huge truck heading east towards 1st ave.
I went nice and slow, waiting for him to zoom by, then I veered left towards the (empty) oncoming lane. Only I was on a different bike than usual, with a wider handlebar....well, that extra inch on the end was all it took to catch on part of the "one way, do not enter" sign in the center of the road.... and next thing I knew, I was sliding on my rain slicked butt. I'm just glad that happened after the truck had passed
I was also glad to glance around and see that no one was standing around to witness this
The Moonlight ride is not always that well attended from what I've seen so far - I did my first one last fall. In the colder months there are less people but you still ride slowly and stick about as closely together; it's just a shorter string of riders. It's definitely more about rolling and balancing and chatting than 'riding' per se. My wife (it was her second time, she did last December's ride, which had maybe 20 people) said she had fun, but couldn't look around as much as she wanted because she was constantly watching the path and other riders to stay safe. At one point, a young woman on an ancient anvil-weight folder couldn't make it over one of the moguls and just stopped right in the path in front of her.
I look at it as one more skill set to acquire on the bike, just as Air posted. Riding in rush hour traffic is very similar. I was a bundle of nerves when I first started but now I can stay vigilant and still sneak a peek at the sights around me now and then.
We should definitely arrange to say hello before the next ride
Glad you were ok, R Guy.
I went nice and slow, waiting for him to zoom by, then I veered left towards the (empty) oncoming lane. Only I was on a different bike than usual, with a wider handlebar....well, that extra inch on the end was all it took to catch on part of the "one way, do not enter" sign in the center of the road.... and next thing I knew, I was sliding on my rain slicked butt. I'm just glad that happened after the truck had passed
I was also glad to glance around and see that no one was standing around to witness this
The Moonlight ride is not always that well attended from what I've seen so far - I did my first one last fall. In the colder months there are less people but you still ride slowly and stick about as closely together; it's just a shorter string of riders. It's definitely more about rolling and balancing and chatting than 'riding' per se. My wife (it was her second time, she did last December's ride, which had maybe 20 people) said she had fun, but couldn't look around as much as she wanted because she was constantly watching the path and other riders to stay safe. At one point, a young woman on an ancient anvil-weight folder couldn't make it over one of the moguls and just stopped right in the path in front of her.
I look at it as one more skill set to acquire on the bike, just as Air posted. Riding in rush hour traffic is very similar. I was a bundle of nerves when I first started but now I can stay vigilant and still sneak a peek at the sights around me now and then.
We should definitely arrange to say hello before the next ride
Glad you were ok, R Guy.
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How's this for serendipity... I was taking a break yesterday on the CP loop and I heard a "aren't you the guy..." question. Was a guy who also was on his first moonlight ride and with whom I chatted for a bit on the ride. A Staten Islander who almost never rides in SI, but come into Manhattan.
Will do more rides (funny, it seems most group rides are oriented around the lower half of Manhattan, this and the Riverside ride are the only ones near my nabe) and try and hone that skill set. Next time, I'd like for youi to see me upright!
Will do more rides (funny, it seems most group rides are oriented around the lower half of Manhattan, this and the Riverside ride are the only ones near my nabe) and try and hone that skill set. Next time, I'd like for youi to see me upright!
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When the weather turns colder, the ride will be less attended and the ride leader will take the group through some of the areas they skip when there's a large crowd. I went last month and there was around 100 people at that ride too so I knew we'd be skipping the Ramble, the waterfall, the observatory, etc. As for those short, but steep hills, when you know they're coming, you know to hang back and let the path clear before zipping right up it. Or you learn to dodge people getting off their bike half way up.
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09-21-09, 09:57 PM
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next time! I will be recovering from Escape from NY on Saturday night...curious to try this in the fall...
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Ugh, looks like 40-60% chance of rain during the ride... and pretty chilly.
Hopefully next Friday nite may be dry...
NB, went out earlier, now I know what to wear... looks like rain won't start until 1 AM, struck up a conversation in CP, guy seemed psyched about doing it, so I'll be there at 10. Hope the wind dies down a bit, it's pretty breezy...
NB 2: Been finding the "future" radar to be pretty accurate, around six last night it showed a cell hitting CP right around 10, so given the chill I didn't go. It pretty much rained steadily from 10 to 1. Did the ride happen? Did ride organizers show, then split? Curious how Times Up handles such situations... rain at 60º is way different than rain at 78º.
Hopefully next Friday nite may be dry...
NB, went out earlier, now I know what to wear... looks like rain won't start until 1 AM, struck up a conversation in CP, guy seemed psyched about doing it, so I'll be there at 10. Hope the wind dies down a bit, it's pretty breezy...
NB 2: Been finding the "future" radar to be pretty accurate, around six last night it showed a cell hitting CP right around 10, so given the chill I didn't go. It pretty much rained steadily from 10 to 1. Did the ride happen? Did ride organizers show, then split? Curious how Times Up handles such situations... rain at 60º is way different than rain at 78º.
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10-01-09, 08:33 AM
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Central Park Moonlight Ride!
For the noobs: this is not a hammerfest, it's a pootle in the park.
For the noobs: this is not a hammerfest, it's a pootle in the park.
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10-01-09, 08:36 AM
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I'm doing the Queens Blvd ride at 6:30, might try to swing back in for the moonlighter if I have the energy and it's not too cold and rainy...
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Damn, I really want to do this... looks to be chilly (~60º) and very windy, which I can deal with, but don't find much fun in needing a rubber suit to stay dry.
10-02-09, 07:06 PM
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Drops small screws
See you guys there tonight.