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Old 04-28-09, 08:29 AM   #1
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Red light Sting Bowery (@Prince st) NYC

I lied my way out of a ticket (he really didn't see me) for running a red a light (I hit the corner as the light changed). The two cops on the northbound side of the Bowery across from the end of Prince st. had several bikers pulled over for blowing lights up Bowery. The bikers where NOT doing themselves any favors by arguing and yelling at the cops.

In my case I turned off of Rivington as the light turned Red, and I did so because the cars on the Bowery were stopped at the light, and It was the safest chance for me to turn. There was a good 10 secs before the cars started moving on Bowery after I turned. Then I saw the cop. I was truly confused and asked him what was up. He said I ran the light. So instead of getting upset I said "Oh god no, the light was def Green, all those cars on the bowery were dead stopped, you'd have to be nuts to just cruise onto the bowery while traffic is going,, those cars'll kill you." He totally fell for it. He even asked what color the light was when I rolled through it. Was I really going to say red?

At this point it was clear he didn't really see me at all and was just pulling over every biker that went buy, which I found it a bit annoying. So I said Green and he told me to get outta there.

I DO NOT have a problem with ticketing bad biking behavior. But my biggest issue was that I had to ride around 3 cars in the bike lanes on my way to work, and that is WAY more life threatening and dangerous than bikers making a decision to ride through a red light.
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I'm glad they're using their time to ticket this stuff there. It's not like there are more important things they could be doing
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Yeah even the cops didn't seem to enjoy the assignment, seeing as their entire morning consisted of angry hipsters on fixies yelling at them.
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I'm glad they're using their time to ticket this stuff there. It's not like there are more important things they could be doing
Oddly enough, that's what motorized vehicle drivers say about getting tickets, too. I guess that's not important either, right?
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I don't think you were lying though,
one has to be kind of nuts to go on The Bowery and run a few red lights in that heavy traffic.
traffic around there is dangerous from Canal Street, Man bridge, Williamsburg bridge
and the off ramp of the man bridge.
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2 weekends ago in central park around 8:45am I was doing my normal 6 loop ride, figuring it was early enough on a saturday morning before it would get packed that I can do some serious time attacks. As I'm ripping down cat hill (west side of the park) I cruise down the hill somewhere around 24-28mph still peddling. A cop car is at the side of the road by the stop light. The light is green the whole way and people are standing on both sides waiting to cross. As I'm nearing the intersection it starts turning yellow, I'm about 25 feet away from the intersection now and I'm on the hoods hovering the brake levers thinking I'll just coast through and keep my momentum to hammer on the next hill. Low and behold, I have the car coasting beside me.

Granted I had my music in and I'm pouring sweat at this point, they ask me to pull over. I'm thinking what the hell, I didn't do anything wrong so I pull over on the left side of the road. They stopped next to me and ask me to walk my bike over to the other side of the road (right side). All I'm thinking is damn, they are gonna start busting my chops now for some reason.

So I unclip my other cleat and walk across as they pull in front. Both officers get out of the car and ask me to lean my bicycle against the car and step away from it. I asked the officers what did I do wrong before I let go of my bicycle. One officer is inspecting it, the other starts asking questions like does that bike have brakes on it, because if it doesn't we are confiscating it. I said yes they do and he says did you see the baby stroller half way in the road at the red light as you zoomed by it. I told him no I didn't see a baby stroller I was watching the light and in my peripherials I saw people lined up on both sides of the street waiting to cross. Shortly after he goes can I see your ID, I told him I didn't have my ID on me all I had was my credit card. He smirked at me and said what if you died how are we going to ID you, yep my fault I should be carrying my ID with me all the time.

Conversation continues, both mines and the officers tone are rather adult. I'm not tossing attitude, I'm just trying to explain my actions. I told him I would be more aware of my surroundings, he basically cut me off saying "why on earth would you be going to fast on a bicycle like that", I literally stuttered not sure how to answer so I basically said I'm training for the NY Biathlon and have been time attacking my last years cycle time. He said well the park's bicycle speed limit is 12mph, to which I replied, officer if I can't train for my races in the park, where can I do that? Let a lone it being 9am on a saturday morning.

I mean come on, I live in the UWS I am in the park 4-5x per week either running or biking or playing softball or just reading a book, my tax dollars are obviously at work here. They let me off with a warning saying to obey the 12mph bicycle speed limit and that if they catch me being wreckless again that they'll confiscate my bicycle. Funny they can spend about 25-30 mins questioning me on the side of the road in the park at 9am on a saturday morning when outside my building I have homeless people loitering and asking people for money and food, especially in the upper west side.
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first of all, where is this 12 mph speed limit posted?

secondly, how do you reinforce that on a bike or a roller blader? How do we all know when we hit 12 mph? I often ride without a speedometer.
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Old 04-28-09, 02:57 PM   #8
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Agree. The only posted speed in the park is something like 20mph up hill and 25 or so in other places. And even if there is a secret speed limit for bicycles how are we supposed to know we're above the limit since bicycles aren't required to have speedometers?
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the same applies to the bridge MUPs imo
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I've actually seen 5mph speed limit signs in Fort Washington and East River Parks. I always presumed that applied to the occasional car because even preschoolers with training wheels go faster than 5 mph and they don't have speedometers either.

There's no mention of any kind of secret bicycle 12mph speed limit in the NYC Cycling Map. I think the cops are just making this one up.
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Old 04-28-09, 08:48 PM   #11
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12mph speed limit? I call complete BS on that:

http://www.centralpark.com/pages/faq.html

Meanwhile:

http://www.transalt.org/newsroom/releases/168
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Old 04-28-09, 09:44 PM   #12
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The cars certainly aren't going 12 mph when it is open to traffic.

PS, not too cool a thing to say about homeless people.
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Old 04-28-09, 10:07 PM   #13
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This is what u do. Next time a cop harass u. Look at their badge # on their chest. Memorize it. Afterward, call 311 and file a complaint against them. It will go on their record.
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Getting harassed by NYC cops is one of the many things I don't miss about riding in the city. I got a ticket over 10 years ago for running a red light which I had to do in order to avoid a taxi that was about to cut me off to beat the light. I didn't get points on my license fortunately because of my good driving record, but I had to pay a $100 fine. Now my rides are up 9W in the early morning hours so the hassles of city riding can go stuff themselves.

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The bike speed limit in Central Park and on most the Greenway is 20mph isn't it?
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2 weekends ago in central park around 8:45am I was doing my normal 6 loop ride, figuring it was early enough on a saturday morning before it would get packed that I can do some serious time attacks. As I'm ripping down cat hill (west side of the park) I cruise down the hill somewhere around 24-28mph still peddling. A cop car is at the side of the road by the stop light. The light is green the whole way and people are standing on both sides waiting to cross. As I'm nearing the intersection it starts turning yellow, I'm about 25 feet away from the intersection now and I'm on the hoods hovering the brake levers thinking I'll just coast through and keep my momentum to hammer on the next hill. Low and behold, I have the car coasting beside me.

Granted I had my music in and I'm pouring sweat at this point, they ask me to pull over. I'm thinking what the hell, I didn't do anything wrong so I pull over on the left side of the road. They stopped next to me and ask me to walk my bike over to the other side of the road (right side). All I'm thinking is damn, they are gonna start busting my chops now for some reason.

So I unclip my other cleat and walk across as they pull in front. Both officers get out of the car and ask me to lean my bicycle against the car and step away from it. I asked the officers what did I do wrong before I let go of my bicycle. One officer is inspecting it, the other starts asking questions like does that bike have brakes on it, because if it doesn't we are confiscating it. I said yes they do and he says did you see the baby stroller half way in the road at the red light as you zoomed by it. I told him no I didn't see a baby stroller I was watching the light and in my peripherials I saw people lined up on both sides of the street waiting to cross. Shortly after he goes can I see your ID, I told him I didn't have my ID on me all I had was my credit card. He smirked at me and said what if you died how are we going to ID you, yep my fault I should be carrying my ID with me all the time.

Conversation continues, both mines and the officers tone are rather adult. I'm not tossing attitude, I'm just trying to explain my actions. I told him I would be more aware of my surroundings, he basically cut me off saying "why on earth would you be going to fast on a bicycle like that", I literally stuttered not sure how to answer so I basically said I'm training for the NY Biathlon and have been time attacking my last years cycle time. He said well the park's bicycle speed limit is 12mph, to which I replied, officer if I can't train for my races in the park, where can I do that? Let a lone it being 9am on a saturday morning.

I mean come on, I live in the UWS I am in the park 4-5x per week either running or biking or playing softball or just reading a book, my tax dollars are obviously at work here. They let me off with a warning saying to obey the 12mph bicycle speed limit and that if they catch me being wreckless again that they'll confiscate my bicycle. Funny they can spend about 25-30 mins questioning me on the side of the road in the park at 9am on a saturday morning when outside my building I have homeless people loitering and asking people for money and food, especially in the upper west side.
i can't believe i read the whole thing.
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LOL well thanks for reading botto!

It wasn't so much of a rant, I mean it happened a few weeks ago, I just found it completely hilarious that I was getting questioned so hard by police for riding my bicycle, let a lone training for a race at a very off peak hour in probably the only place you can cycle that fast.

And yea, I could have said to the officer, where is the 12mph sign, hell where are there any speed signs that says ONLY BICYCLES. I didn't want to get into it with him but I honestly did feel that "heat" when the questions started rolling out. Clearly made me feel as if I was a criminal for some wrong doing. I wasn't so concerned about actually getting a ticket or having to fight the cops, my sister is getting married to an officer, my uncle is a detective, I've got all the cards and badges etc.

I think it's a clear sign that the city is hurting, so they want to charge us to drive across the east river, they are hiking up the MTA fares, they've increased the hudson river crossing tolls, and now they are ticketing us to riding bicycles...I think this glamorous city is going to ****s, we need to dig back into our true Manhattan roots and do as the dutch, ride bicycles and legalize pot.
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Ha.. yeah but you WILL get a ticket if you don't have a light on your bike in Amsterdam. My Dutch friends have gotten several.. However I think they are about 10 or 15 euros.
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