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Old 07-06-09, 01:19 PM   #1
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Hi everyone-

I'm new to this board. I've been looking for a roadbike for 5 years now. I'm pretty cheap, and didn't want to spend the money because I wasn't sure if i was going to stick with cycling and triathlons. Well, I finally decided this was the year. I did my research and found the Motobecane Immortal Force for $1595 at bikesdirect.com

My husband is insane about going through out local bikeshop, but I am more concerned with the best bike for me, and if I have to get it off the internet, I won't feel bad about it at all. Well, the husband sabotaged my mission. The Immortal force in pearl white, size 53cm with red lettering is no longer available on bikes direct. The closest I came to it was $2500 on another site.

I'm wondering if anyone has this exact bike that they are interested in selling. Maybe you're ready to upgrade, and it just didn't work for you. Thanks for your time, sniffle sniffle...
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Old 07-06-09, 01:47 PM   #2
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How will you know if it's the best bike for you unless you get to sit on it and ride it around before you buy it? Go to the bike shop.
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Old 07-06-09, 01:49 PM   #3
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Well, it sounds like your husband should just make good on the $905 (not including tax) that he cost you...


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Old 07-06-09, 02:34 PM   #4
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Hi everyone-

I'm new to this board. I've been looking for a roadbike for 5 years now. I'm pretty cheap, and didn't want to spend the money because I wasn't sure if i was going to stick with cycling and triathlons. Well, I finally decided this was the year. I did my research and found the Motobecane Immortal Force for $1595 at bikesdirect.com

My husband is insane about going through out local bikeshop, but I am more concerned with the best bike for me, and if I have to get it off the internet, I won't feel bad about it at all. Well, the husband sabotaged my mission. The Immortal force in pearl white, size 53cm with red lettering is no longer available on bikes direct. The closest I came to it was $2500 on another site.

I'm wondering if anyone has this exact bike that they are interested in selling. Maybe you're ready to upgrade, and it just didn't work for you. Thanks for your time, sniffle sniffle...

Price alone shouldn't be the sole consideration because at that price point you can get a bike you've actually tested, and fit is the most important thing since it's the one aspect of riding that will either keep you on a bike or make it an expensive wall ornament. The best thing to do is go to bike shops and try out different bikes to see which one fits you best, color and logos mean nothing if it doesn't feel right. You have plenty of options so go and see what's out there and do some research so you go as an informed consumer.
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yes to all of the above.

You are better off on a meh bike that fits you perfectly and suits your riding style and needs than a pricey bike that is wrong for you.
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Old 07-06-09, 04:00 PM   #6
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Buying mail order is iffy, UNLESS you know exactly what you want and what fits you.

If it's one of your first bikes, then I would not buy mail order, as you need to test ride and get a pro at a good shop to fit you. Yes you pay more, but better the added cost then a bike that you discover is wrong after 500 miles.

I've been road and mt. cycling for 21 years, have been thru 8 (now 9) road bikes of assorted types ( I keep 3-4 working). I've ridden 55, 56 and 57 cm top tube bikes and only in the past 5 years became certain that the 56 is the correct size. That makes it easier to shop, but even then, the vagaries of the assorted components such as the saddle, handle bar, stem angle, wheels and tires, as well as frame geometry and design, makes every bike feel and ride differently. I have also build up 6 bikes from frames and am comfortable doing home service, thus have no need to take a mail order bike to an LBS (which I generally avoid) to fix the bike.

FWIW, I recently purchased a new Tommaso Agraziatto full carbon from Randall Scott and am very pleased with the bike, probably saving on the order of $600 - $800 on an equiv, LBS bike, but after 8 bikes prior, have learned how to get comfortable and keep it running. I also understand (for the most part) what I'm reading when I view the geometry charts and how it applies as compared to what I currently own, and other frames I've ridden. Even then, the frame was stiffer then I expected, but easily adapted to, and I have no regrets. Still, If I were a relative newbie, I'd be at the LBS.

EDIT: and a P.S., Randal Scott Company, a Boulder based mail order, has Kuota, Kestral and K2, full carbon, with Ultegra road bikes on sale, $1500 - $1800. http://www.rscycle.com/Bikes/Road-bikes

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Old 07-06-09, 05:34 PM   #7
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If you're patient, you can get a nice deal on a good used bike.

Occasionally you'll even get an exceptional deal on a bike you really love.

Either way, if you're just getting into biking, or back into biking, used is often the best way to go. That way you can get riding without too much $ on the table, and upgrade later when you know exactly waht you want.
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Bikesdirect takes a lot of flak in the road cycling forum but their bikes are decent and their pricing is difficult to beat. I've seen a few Immortal Force bikes 1st-hand and the owners said they were happy with them. You can usually find plenty of threads about bd on the road cycling forum including posts from the owner. They usually cut corners someplace to make their price point (brakes, headsets, wheels?) and you have to expect to complete/correct the assembly when the bike arrives (so the LBS will still get your business).

The other posters are right that before buying on line you need to be very confident that the bike's basic frame geometry is right for you. That means test-riding a lot of bikes, and noting that the same frame '"size" may fit very different between different makes. I agree with your husband's desire to support the LBS, but if it's a question of bike or no bike, buying from BD remains an option.

If your husband or a friend has the skills/tools (or you want to learn), you could buy a frame and build it up. A lot of people strip the components from the better BD bikes and sell the frames on Ebay. I'd take a look there. At least one Ebay vendor (sprtymoma? - it's been a while since I last checked) sells the same complete bikes so that's another option. Search for "Immortal Force" in the cycling section and watch out for people trying to resell based on the MSRP rather than the actual bd price. Hit sales for the major drive train components and you can wind up with a decent bike at a reasonable price and the skills to maintain it.

My road bike was an Ebay frame I built up with a mix of used and new parts. I'd done a lot of shopping, figured out my preferred size from several makes, but hadn't bought anything because of the price (and my wife's then-concern about spending so much on "just a bike" - she appreciates my riding much better now). A friend spotted a frame in my preferred size and helped me build it up. My commuter bike is another Ebay frame + mine/used/new parts build. The LBSs (I shop at several) get plenty of my business for wrench work I won't or can't do myself, some parts, clothing, shoes, and accessories. And I've bought complete bikes from them for family. Something to consider. Good luck!
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Old 07-07-09, 09:33 AM   #9
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Bikesdirect takes a lot of flak in the road cycling forum but their bikes are decent and their pricing is difficult to beat. I've seen a few Immortal Force bikes 1st-hand and the owners said they were happy with them. You can usually find plenty of threads about bd on the road cycling forum including posts from the owner. They usually cut corners someplace to make their price point (brakes, headsets, wheels?) and you have to expect to complete/correct the assembly when the bike arrives (so the LBS will still get your business).

The other posters are right that before buying on line you need to be very confident that the bike's basic frame geometry is right for you. That means test-riding a lot of bikes, and noting that the same frame '"size" may fit very different between different makes. I agree with your husband's desire to support the LBS, but if it's a question of bike or no bike, buying from BD remains an option.

If your husband or a friend has the skills/tools (or you want to learn), you could buy a frame and build it up. A lot of people strip the components from the better BD bikes and sell the frames on Ebay. I'd take a look there. At least one Ebay vendor (sprtymoma? - it's been a while since I last checked) sells the same complete bikes so that's another option. Search for "Immortal Force" in the cycling section and watch out for people trying to resell based on the MSRP rather than the actual bd price. Hit sales for the major drive train components and you can wind up with a decent bike at a reasonable price and the skills to maintain it.

My road bike was an Ebay frame I built up with a mix of used and new parts. I'd done a lot of shopping, figured out my preferred size from several makes, but hadn't bought anything because of the price (and my wife's then-concern about spending so much on "just a bike" - she appreciates my riding much better now). A friend spotted a frame in my preferred size and helped me build it up. My commuter bike is another Ebay frame + mine/used/new parts build. The LBSs (I shop at several) get plenty of my business for wrench work I won't or can't do myself, some parts, clothing, shoes, and accessories. And I've bought complete bikes from them for family. Something to consider. Good luck!
Bikes Direct does indeed get a lot of flak around these parts of the internet and I can understand some of the issues but the bikes they sell are better than a department store bike so it's not as if a buyer is going to get shafted. I always feel that people who aren't familiar with bikes should get as much assistance as they can because their purchase should encourage them to ride and if it isn't comfortable or building it becomes too complicated then they end up discouraged.
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Old 07-07-09, 10:04 AM   #10
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Patient? She's already waited five years. Maybe she's been too patient.
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Old 07-07-09, 01:20 PM   #11
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As a first time rider, why are you convinced that you need full Ultegra? Why not step down a level and get a mix of 105 and Ultegra, or even all 105??? The Immortal Pro is available in your size...

It would save you a bit, and from what I have heard, will not be very noticeable. Especially if you are willing to buy the bike used anyway.

What makes this specific bike "the one" for you?

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Old 07-07-09, 08:24 PM   #12
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Another reason for going the bike shop route. Any given size may vary greatly from brand to brand. In other words, a 54 from brand A might be more like a 52 or 56 from another company. If you don't know the exact size for each manufacturer, you could be in trouble.
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Old 07-07-09, 09:23 PM   #13
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Oh, you mean www.bikesdiwrecked! Go to a shop and give the little guy some business!
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You've waited five years for the right bike? It doesn't appear that you want to ride it. It appears that you merely want to own it. If you wanted to ride a road bike, you'd be riding, not shopping and waiting.

What makes you so sure that this bike you've chosen but haven't bought is right for you? What makes you so sure that all others are wrong for you?

It doesn't add up. Unless there's more information we need to understand.
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Patient? She's already waited five years. Maybe she's been too patient.
Ha...I didn't even pick up on that. Why would someone wait 5 years to get a bike? I can walk around my neighborhood every weekend in the summer and find any number of decent garage sale bikes that I'd be happy to clean up, lube, put new rubber on and ride if that was all I could afford. I'd rather ride something than nothing.

5 years? OP - whats up with that?
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