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Old 01-18-11, 08:22 AM   #1
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NYC Central Park - Ticketing

Not sure how long they'll keep doing it - but just a heads up, the NYPD were issuing tickets for running red lights on the West Side of the park on Saturday.
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Old 01-18-11, 11:05 AM   #2
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It's pretty amazing what the city is coming to. I had heard that the NYPD had received an overtime grant for ticketing cyclists. the grant would have been justified by "promoting safety"

the irony is that if a rider is in Central Park, that means he's chosen a place with minimal car traffic to avoid dangerous situations. unfortunately, cycling in central park is easy pickings for the police. much more likely to pay than the delivery worker on the upper east side on a stolen bike rocketing down the sidewalk or through a red light.

the conflict is that the cyclist is being forced to follow traffic laws AS IF he were a car, even though he's in a part of the city that has been blocked off to cars but not cyclists - showing that there IS distinction between the two.

this is infuriating.
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Old 01-18-11, 11:57 AM   #3
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every ticket i've gotten while on my bike here in NYC (the only place i've ever been ticketed while biking) has been unfounded and ultimately thrown out, yet still irritating and an extreme waste of time.
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I can understand the situations where a cyclist is completely ignoring cross-walk traffic during a red light (slippery slope, I know); however, if they're going to do a "Crack Down" on this, it should apply to pedestrians as well.

Seems to me a majority of the collisions in the park are a result of a person walking out onto the road when the light is in fact GREEN for traffic (cars and or bicycles).
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It's pretty amazing what the city is coming to. I had heard that the NYPD had received an overtime grant for ticketing cyclists. the grant would have been justified by "promoting safety"

the irony is that if a rider is in Central Park, that means he's chosen a place with minimal car traffic to avoid dangerous situations. unfortunately, cycling in central park is easy pickings for the police. much more likely to pay than the delivery worker on the upper east side on a stolen bike rocketing down the sidewalk or through a red light.

the conflict is that the cyclist is being forced to follow traffic laws AS IF he were a car, even though he's in a part of the city that has been blocked off to cars but not cyclists - showing that there IS distinction between the two.

this is infuriating.

I think the simple solution is to have the traffic lights bink yellow during times the park is closed off to traffic this way cyclists don't have to come to a complete stop, just slow down enough to let any pedestrians cross the intersections safely. As for the broader issue of an increase of accidents involving cyclists the DOT needs to address this on multiple levels because there are plenty of reckless cyclists, pedestrians, and motorists who are responsible and targeting just one group isn't the solution.
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I think the simple solution is to have the traffic lights bink yellow during times the park is closed off to traffic this way cyclists don't have to come to a complete stop, just slow down enough to let any pedestrians cross the intersections safely.
Definitely for off-peak hours so cyclists can get laps in the early AM w/o fear of ticketing. But I imagine that wouldn't work so well on weekend afternoons... You'd just have a constant stream of people who believe they have the right of way crossing the road (or not looking) followed by the other pedestrians who misjudge the varied speeds & positions of approaching cyclists but figure they can walk slightly behind the people in front of them as they cross.

At least w/the current situation of cyclists flagrantly running reds and willful jaywalkers, you know who the idiots are and who should be doing what. Not that it actually works much better...
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But I imagine that wouldn't work so well on weekend afternoons... You'd just have a constant stream of people who believe they have the right of way crossing the road (or not looking) followed by the other pedestrians who misjudge the varied speeds & positions of approaching cyclists but figure they can walk slightly behind the people in front of them as they cross.
So how would this environment of entitled pedestrians be any different from now?

Central Park Police and Parks Police had done enforcement on and off in the past - usually on the East Drive in the 90s. My guess is now that there's a City-Wide crackdown and because bicycles are generally easy to track down in the park they've simply stepped up their enforcement.
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This is just ridiculous. They close the park for cyclists and then write tickets when they ride. And what do they do to stop them? Chase them down with a car endangering all those they are supposed to protect? I've actually yelled at the cops a few times for driving in the center lane on crowded days and causing a dangerous situation for cyclists AND pedestrians.
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I hear they're sitting heavy around Williamsburg too.

I got a funny feeling these crackdowns are going to get out of hand when the cold breaks.
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Are there a lot of accidents in the park or something?
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On a Saturday? I miss riding in CP like the bad old days of the early 80's.
remember the 24 hour pepsi challenge bicycle marathon, that was a lot of fun.
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So how would this environment of entitled pedestrians be any different from now?
It'd be a more ambiguous system @ high traffic times, I think. Like I said, for now at least you can tell who is supposed to do what.

With a mere caution sign for everybody, I think it'd just be a constant stream of pedestrians crossing the road on a sunny spring weekend afternoon.
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the real answer is a cyclocross dismount through the crosswalk.


On a more serious note, my next purchase is a helmet cam if this pressure continues.
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Not sure how long they'll keep doing it - but just a heads up, the NYPD were issuing tickets for running red lights on the West Side of the park on Saturday.
I'm all for riding safely (I'm often-enough annoyed by "super-riders" who blaze through the Park as if it were a race track), but Central Park West doesn't have legitimate red lights during much of the day: the bike-lane hugs the park, and it's typically absurd to stop until the light turns green, to pedal on. Why not ticket jay-walkers, there, as well?

Now, if we're talking about the west side within the Park, rather than the avenue to its immediate west, the situation just becomes that much more ridiculous.

I smell the $h!t of bull...
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I'm all for riding safely (I'm often-enough annoyed by "super-riders" who blaze through the Park as if it were a race track), but Central Park West doesn't have legitimate red lights during much of the day: the bike-lane hugs the park, and it's typically absurd to stop until the light turns green, to pedal on. Why not ticket jay-walkers, there, as well?

Now, if we're talking about the west side within the Park, rather than the avenue to its immediate west, the situation just becomes that much more ridiculous.

I smell the $h!t of bull...
They were ticketing inside the park, on West Dr, just before the old Tavern on the Green.
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It's one thing to say cyclists should stop for red lights at the southern end of the park where there are lots of pedestrians (completely ignoring traffic signals) and entirely different to say they must stop for red lights throughout the park.

Over the past year or two, there seems to be a real increase in the number of muggings, particularly in the northern end around 103rd Street. Most of the muggings publicized were attacks on joggers for their mp3 players and maybe cash. That's probably because they're slower moving and often travel alone. If cyclists are required to stop for lights in the northern end of the park we're likely to see an increase in crimes against cyclists as well. Who the hell wants to stop and wait for a light when you're riding alone, after dark, particularly if there are sketchy characters or the usual mischievous teens nearby?
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the conflict is that the cyclist is being forced to follow traffic laws AS IF he were a car, even though he's in a part of the city that has been blocked off to cars but not cyclists - showing that there IS distinction between the two.
this is infuriating.
and there is the problem. by law, cyclists are required to follow many of the same rules that motorist do and in doing so have become a targeted minority because cyclists exist in this weird margin of the law. the issue is not so black and white. i say if the NYPD is cracking down on cyclist then they should responsibly do the same for people j-walking or automobiles failing to signal. bike laws simply aren't set up to protect cyclists.
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