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    Route from New York to Philly

    Does anyone have a suggestion on what routes to take or have a link to a cue sheet?

    Thanks,

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    Route selection is very subjective. Ride context is as important as rider's preferences. For example, I used to run a NYC to DC non-stop ride that went through Philly. That route was very different from that chosen for the East Coast Bike Trail, which I also selected.

    Before making recommendations, one needs to know how many miles per day and what amenities you want to find along the way. One also needs to know your desired start and end points. If doing the entire ride on a bike is an important consideration, then you must start at the GWB. Otherwise, taking PATH to Newark is usually a better option.

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    Yes. The Bicycle Club of Philadelphia runs an annual ride to Broolklyn Heights the Sunday before labor day. Some people begin in Philadelphia (Art Museum), but most people start from New Hope, PA.
    The ride goes into Hoboken, where we catch the ferry to Midtown/W. 39th St. (Now a days, the only weekend ferry service between Hoboken and Manhattan is between Hoboken 14th St. and Midtown/W. 39th St.) We then go down the bike path along the Hudson and eventually over the Brooklyn Bridge.

    From Philly, the distance is about 130 miles. It's about 95 miles from New Hope. It's a very interesting route that passes through Neshanic Station, Raritan/Somerset, Lyons, Basking Ridge and the Great Swamp NWR among other places. There is one huge caveat: It can only be ridden safely on weekends. That's because it goes through the Port of Elizabeth and Newark. To do that on a weekday would mean suicide by truck. Also, I have never done it in the opposite diretions and thus don't know if there would be issues getting in and out of the Port going in that direction. It probably would not be a problem, but you would have to check it out on Google Maps.

    I checked the club web site and noticed that the cue sheet for the route from Philadelphia is missing sections. If you are interested, send me a PM with your email address and I will probably be able to get you the entire cue sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBinNYC View Post
    Route selection is very subjective. Ride context is as important as rider's preferences. For example, I used to run a NYC to DC non-stop ride that went through Philly. That route was very different from that chosen for the East Coast Bike Trail, which I also selected.

    Before making recommendations, one needs to know how many miles per day and what amenities you want to find along the way. One also needs to know your desired start and end points. If doing the entire ride on a bike is an important consideration, then you must start at the GWB. Otherwise, taking PATH to Newark is usually a better option.
    thanks for the response. My primary worry is the section between GWB and US 22 as it's a highly populated area that could translate into a ton of stop-and-go. The following is what i've mapped out thus far. Any comments and suggestions would be welcomed.

    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33437442. GWB to New Hope
    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33438386. New Hope to Philly

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    Check out the ACA Atlantic route at
    http://www.adventurecycling.org/rout...anticcoast.cfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    thanks for the response. My primary worry is the section between GWB and US 22 as it's a highly populated area that could translate into a ton of stop-and-go. The following is what i've mapped out thus far. Any comments and suggestions would be welcomed.

    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33437442. GWB to New Hope
    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33438386. New Hope to Philly
    Your maps are only viewable by "friends."

    Take the Adventure Cycling route from New Hope to Conshohocken then the SRT, etc. to Philly. I think I have it mapped out on Bikely but the site is down right now.

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    Getting out of NYC to take a southern route is a PITA.

    You'd be much better off either taking the PATH to Newark, or NJ Transit to some point south (e.g. New Brunswick, Princeton) if you want a ~60 mile ride to Philadelphia.

    FYI the East Coast Greenway map ( http://www.state.nj.us/transportatio...railguide6.pdf ) appears to skip the stretch from the NYC area, with an option to cross the GWB, ride to the Jersey City Exchange Place station, and take the train to Newark. The rest of the route may be helpful by the way.
    Last edited by Bacciagalupe; 05-06-11 at 11:20 AM.

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    Thanks to all of the input. I think i actually want the 120 mile route.

    Quote Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
    Your maps are only viewable by "friends."

    Take the Adventure Cycling route from New Hope to Conshohocken then the SRT, etc. to Philly. I think I have it mapped out on Bikely but the site is down right now.
    Opps. I thought friends are people with links. Will change it.

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    There is a route in the NYCC library , but you need to be a member to access it.
    That Said I have biked from the GWB to Newark and the ride is fine on a Sunday or any non-business day. The route was quite nice, I'll look in my
    cue sheets to find it.

    You could try the Major Taylor club in Jersey, they do a ride to Philly each year on the way to Maryland.
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    Here is the map of the route AC uses from New Hope to the Schuykill River Trail just outside Philly:

    http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/NEW-HOPE-CONSHY

    You make a left onto the trail and take it to the end, where you ride down a tiny hill onto Nixon St. Make the next left under the RR bridge and then the hairpin right onto Umbria. At the T where Umbria ends, make a right then a left at the next light onto Main. St. Take Main St. until it merges into Ridge. Stay straight on ridge to the gas station, then make a right. At the next light, you can cross through the intersection and make a left onto the rec. path on the east side of the river and ride that to the Art Museum. You can also stay straight, cross the bridge and take the path on the west side of the river. The roadway along the west path (MLK Drive) is closed to cars on Saturdays and Sundays from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m. and is nice and shaded. Both the west path and MLK Drive will also take you to the Art Museum, site of the famous Rocky statue.


    IMO, this route is better than the route between Philly and New Hope that the BCP uses for its trip to Brooklyn. Again, if you want those cue sheets you will have to send me a private message with your email address.

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    Opps. I thought friends are people with links. Will change it.
    Now that I have no fear of losing a newly formed "friendship," I can state a more candid opinion.

    I'm still at a loss to offer an opinion because I don't know your objective or ability. Is this to be a day trip? Will you be carrying gear? Do you want bailout options, if you cannot make it? Have you checked for the availability of food and water along the route you proposed?

    I'm still a bit puzzled about your requirements. On one hand you state you want the ride to be 120 miles and on the other you want to avoid traffic. I'd expect somebody who wanted a double metric with a NYC residence would feel comfortable with high traffic routes (even if they are filled with Jersey drivers).

    If you start in Newark, then the direct distance to Philly is around 80 miles. If you want to add 40 more miles, I'd put them near the end of the ride. That way there would be a shortcut, if you got tired. You've put the extra miles at the beginning. Your route to Philly is pretty direct from New Hope. If you bonk out in New Hope, your only option is to go to Trenton and take the train to either NYC or Philly.

    OTOH, the direct distance from Newark to New Hope is between 50 and 60 miles. You could add a loop up and down the Delaware to bring the mileage up to 85 miles and then take your direct route from New Hope to Philly for the mileage. If you are riding into a 17 mph SW headwind, you may want an option to omit that loop and slowly drag your tail into Philly. You will still have the satisfaction of getting there under your own power, even if you did not accomplish a double metric.

    One problem with MapMyRide is that it is known to greatly underestimate the number of feet climbed. I've not checked your route but I think you are climbing the Watchungs a few times to add distance. I rode a round trip club ride to Princeton from Newark that was advertised as "flat". The first part went on some of the same roads you are using in the Watchungs. The amount of climbing for the first 25 miles averaged 100 ft/mile. That's the equivalent of a round trip to Alpine Lookout on River Road. If you want to add climbing to your route, you can climb out of the Delaware River Valley a couple of times. That would give you your climb without turning you legs to rubber at the beginning of the ride.

    I wish I could be more specific. This is your ride. You must be honest with yourself about your objectives and abilities. The only planning advice I can give is: for every point along the route have an answer for what do I do now, if something goes wrong.

    Good luck.

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    Thanks guys.

    SBinNYC, good point on the climbing part. It doesn't seem as if i'll be climbing the Watchung Hills, but i'll have to check the topographical maps. As for ability, i've done a 105 miler a month ago, with the hardest part as a solo effort. I went up to Harriman, did a loop of the Bear Mountain course, and came back to NYC. And then a few month before that, i went to the top of Bear Mountain and back. I'll be doing this ride with a few teammates, so i think i should have that covered.

    The part about avoiding traffic is more about avoiding stopping and going rather than being uncomfortable alongside cars. I'm actually pretty familiar with most of the area covered, and we'll be carrying extra tires, etc.

    Will write up a report should this happen. Right now i'm hampered by a knee injury, but i hope that will go away in a few days.

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    I ride from Bergen County to my wife's family beach house in Mantoloking a few times each summer. If I were you, at mile 26 of your ride to New Hope, I would make a right onto Watchung from Broad. Then left on Valley, right on 506 and left on Lakeside. This goes straight through South Mountain Reservation and ends with a great downhill to Millburn. Go left on Main then hook back up with your route at the circle at rt124.

    This will take you around East Orange, Irvington and Maplewood which are less than awesome places to ride.
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    Did the ride last Saturday, and it took a long time (way longer than say, a solo trip to Harriman, one loop of Bear Mt course, then back to NYC).

    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/34371772 (actual route)
    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33783616 (planned, NYC to NJ/PA border)
    http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/33784676 (planned, NJ/PA border to Philly)

    If were to do it again, i'd revise the route because of the stop-and-go nature of the roads near the cities. Both the first 15 miles and the last 15 miles took quite a while, and the last 15 contained a lot of up and downs, not to mention cobbled streets with streetcar tracks in the middle.

    Otherwise, the middle part of the ride is great: scenic country roads with few stop lights, and you can really cruise.

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    The New Hope to Hoboken portion of our ride:

    http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/NEW-HOPE-BROOKLYN

    Once you get past Kenilworth, there is not a lot of stop and go. Once you get past Raritan, there is only one traffic light (crossing U.S. 202) until you get to L'Ville and very little traffic on the weekends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckelly49 View Post
    I ride from Bergen County to my wife's family beach house in Mantoloking a few times each summer. If I were you, at mile 26 of your ride to New Hope, I would make a right onto Watchung from Broad. Then left on Valley, right on 506 and left on Lakeside. This goes straight through South Mountain Reservation and ends with a great downhill to Millburn. Go left on Main then hook back up with your route at the circle at rt124.
    Any chance you have a map of that ride down the shore?
    This will take you around East Orange, Irvington and Maplewood which are less than awesome places to ride. Thanks

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