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    Quote Originally Posted by zacster View Post
    I ride the greenway all the time, but only once late enough that I needed lights, and it was still not fully dark. It didn't feel at all threatening.

    For that matter, I've only started riding at night in the last year when I discovered high powered LED lighting!
    For me the most enjoyable time to ride the Greenway (not as up as to the above Washington Heights area) is in the evening after it gets dark. Few people on the path, quiet, breezy wind without the sun shining to your face, and occasionally can see some cyclists' fancy wheel lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoota View Post
    Just another reason to have a concealed weapon. I bet they wouldn't pull this crap again if they feared getting shot (which they probably already are afraid of).
    +1 on self-defense, but better not bring a ******* into NYC without the proper credentials or you may face mandatory sentencing.

    NYC is safer than ever but its a big place and there are place that should be avoided after dark. Apparently the green way is one of those places but there are many well-lit and low traffic alternatives, such as Riverside Dr, West End Ave, Columbus Ave, St Nicholas Ave and 9th Ave. Anyone can get a free NYC cycling map from an LBS and identify suitable options for returning home to NJ.
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    No more stop and frisk-right?
    Now the cops are supposed to have stronger probably cause?
    Normal folks can't be adequately armed, so all you can do is avoid this area-cede it to the thugs.
    Oh well.
    Folks can be armed in NOLA,but same story-plenty of places you shouldn't go at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacster View Post
    I had stopped thinking that ANY place was unsafe in the city, but I guess not. I ride the greenway all the time, but only once late enough that I needed lights, and it was still not fully dark. It didn't feel at all threatening.

    For that matter, I've only started riding at night in the last year when I discovered high powered LED lighting!
    I would say that there are very few places in the whole City that one could honestly call "unsafe". A dark stretch of the remote Greenway at night would probably be one of them. It's really hard to think of any others.

    Regarding riding at night: I generally don't do it -- but not because of fear. I try to hit the hottest points of any day when I am riding for pleasure; so that means that I rarely ride at night. For me, nighttime riding happens mainly in winter, when the sun goes down before I get home from work, and sometimes when I leave to go to work before sunrise; it happens also when I occasionally stay late at work.

    But I am curious about your comment that you started riding at night only when you discovered high-powered lighting. I have lights on my helmet that I turn on at night; but these lights are for me to be seen; not for me to see. I haven't found locations where the streetlights aren't enough for me to see. (Well, except for that portion of the Greenway where the attacks took place.) Where do you ride in the City where the streetlights aren't sufficient?

    When I was a kid, there were places at the City line where the streetlights ended. One time I got caught out in Nassau County after the sun had gone all the way down (I think I was on Union Tpke. or Hillside Ave.; I don't remember), and I had to ride in darkness until I got back into the City under the lights. Ever since then it's been my observation that we don't really have "darkness" in the City.

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    When some of you say there are few unsafe places in the "city", I take it that you were referring to Manhattan and not NYC? I'm fairly comfortable with Manhattan except for Harlem northward, but the other boroughs are much more unsafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    When some of you say there are few unsafe places in the "city", I take it that you were referring to Manhattan and not NYC? I'm fairly comfortable with Manhattan except for Harlem northward, but the other boroughs are much more unsafe.
    I'm referring to the entire City. I ride extensively in far northern Manhattan and in the Bronx; and I live on the Brooklyn/Queens border, so I ride a lot in those boroughs also. (I rarely ride in Staten Island, but only due to lack of interest.)

    I can't think of a single place that I would be afraid to go. You might hear some tall tales about Hunts Point or New Lots or Queensbridge or Washington Heights. Don't believe them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    When some of you say there are few unsafe places in the "city", I take it that you were referring to Manhattan and not NYC? I'm fairly comfortable with Manhattan except for Harlem northward, but the other boroughs are much more unsafe.
    No, I'm also referring to the entire city. I ride the Bronx and never give it a thought. I ride all over Brooklyn since I live there. I only avoid Queens because there isn't much there to see, not because it is unsafe in any way. And let's just fuggedabout Staten Island.

    As for my lighting comment, I had lights for a few years, but only used them to ride in the park when it started to get dark early. Last year though I bought a much brighter light that really makes you visible. I can stand on any corner of midtown and see all the bike lights coming at me, but only a few really stand out. I like that I am one of those that is very noticeable. It is a rare thing that I really need them to see.

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    I think one's opinion about personal safety largely depends on who they are. If you are a big tall tough-looking man, then most places are safe for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    I think one's opinion about personal safety largely depends on who they are. If you are a big tall tough-looking man, then most places are safe for you.
    If you're clothes lined and outnumbered, you need to be Chuck Connors strong.
    “What does not destroy me, makes me strong. [Or, What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.].”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand NYC View Post
    I'm referring to the entire City. I ride extensively in far northern Manhattan and in the Bronx; and I live on the Brooklyn/Queens border, so I ride a lot in those boroughs also. (I rarely ride in Staten Island, but only due to lack of interest.)

    I can't think of a single place that I would be afraid to go. You might hear some tall tales about Hunts Point or New Lots or Queensbridge or Washington Heights. Don't believe them.
    +1 I bike throughout Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx. Even in the poorest neighborhoods, I feel safe and find the locals to be friendly and helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whizzer283 View Post
    +1 I bike throughout Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx. Even in the poorest neighborhoods, I feel safe and find the locals to be friendly and helpful.
    It takes only one random bullet... (I'm less worried about being robbed or attacked, but random shooting is something hard to prevent.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    It takes only one random bullet... (I'm less worried about being robbed or attacked, but random shooting is something hard to prevent.)
    "a life lived in fear, is a life half lived" do what u need to do to empower yourself, don't be such a wuss

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    [QUOTE=Thrasymachus;16029480]That is just a ******y comment [/QUOTE @Thrasymachus shut up already!

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    Whizzer- Chuck Connors?
    Wow dated reference
    but Chuck Connors- *****man???
    He had a *****-??

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoebeisis View Post
    Whizzer- Chuck Connors?
    Wow dated reference
    but Chuck Connors- *****man???
    He had a *****-??
    Damn! I meant Chuck Norris!!
    “What does not destroy me, makes me strong. [Or, What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.].”

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    Also, you never know what those teenagers are capable of doing. I've had them throw hard objects at me for no reason, though I still have to ride in that area.

    Quote Originally Posted by anthonybkny View Post
    "a life lived in fear, is a life half lived" do what u need to do to empower yourself, don't be such a wuss
    The question is whether something is more worth doing with one's life than another thing. Not to mention that for me I wouldn't even find any joy in riding in certain areas, dangerous or not.

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    Whizzer
    OK
    But maybe in your heart of hearts you realized Chuck Connors-and his Winchester-was safer in dodgy places

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