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    Current Up State NYC Weather

    Will be travelling from Manhattan to Pawling tomorrow morning and wondering what people are wearing for early morning rides. Curious if I should leave the wind vest at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stayfed View Post
    Will be travelling from Manhattan to Pawling tomorrow morning and wondering what people are wearing for early morning rides. Curious if I should leave the wind vest at home.
    NOAA says it's going down to 40 tonight. Your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stayfed View Post
    Will be travelling from Manhattan to Pawling tomorrow morning and wondering what people are wearing for early morning rides. Curious if I should leave the wind vest at home.
    Funny to hear Pawling described as upstate -- and this comes from a former NYC resident You don't really get to upstate NY until you get at least north of Albany.

    Pawling's about an hour north of me, but I can tell you that it will be cool when you start out your ride if you start in the morning. Even in Rockland, which is only about an hour north of the city, we're getting into the 40s at night and it doesn't really start to warm up dramatically until after noon. I wouldn't use a heavy jacket, just something to shield a bit of the cold until it warms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Funny to hear Pawling described as upstate -- and this comes from a former NYC resident You don't really get to upstate NY until you get at least north of Albany.

    Pawling's about an hour north of me, but I can tell you that it will be cool when you start out your ride if you start in the morning. Even in Rockland, which is only about an hour north of the city, we're getting into the 40s at night and it doesn't really start to warm up dramatically until after noon. I wouldn't use a heavy jacket, just something to shield a bit of the cold until it warms.
    Thanks.

    I am from California so anything above Manhattan I call upstate. Haha. I am very familiar with Rocklands weather because that where I normally go on weekends. It is a bit chilly these days.

    Merino base layer, leg and arm warmers might do the trick.

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    That's OK. People in Manhattan think that Yonkers and White Plains is "upstate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Funny to hear Pawling described as upstate -- and this comes from a former NYC resident You don't really get to upstate NY until you get at least north of Albany.
    As a former long-time resident of Rockland now living in Albany, upstate starts north of Orange and halfway through Dutchess County.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Pawling's about an hour north of me, but I can tell you that it will be cool when you start out your ride if you start in the morning. Even in Rockland, which is only about an hour north of the city, we're getting into the 40s at night and it doesn't really start to warm up dramatically until after noon. I wouldn't use a heavy jacket, just something to shield a bit of the cold until it warms.
    Traffic must have gotten bad. It used to be 25 minutes from exit 7 on the PIP to Manhattan.

    Yes, you will want a vest and perhaps more (gloves) to start.

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    An "upstate" definition I just on WiKi and somewhat agree with, used the MetroNorth and/or NJ Transit furthest commuter stations as the so-called "boundary". So Port Jervis over towards Middletown, Newburgh, Poughkeepsie to Wassaic is downstate.

    Then of course there's a sign on the Deegan Expressway in the Bronx, that says "Upstate", implying everything beoynd that point, Yonkers included, is upstate. Most Long Islanders agree with this.

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    Growing up in Rochester, we thought of ourselves as being "upstate." In NYC, the called it western NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleansheet View Post
    As a former long-time resident of Rockland now living in Albany, upstate starts north of Orange and halfway through Dutchess County.
    I don't think there's actually any "official" definition to upstate and downstate New York. It's one of those colloquialisms people made up that stuck, but there are many different interpretations to it, especially in a state that's as large geographically as New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
    An "upstate" definition I just on WiKi and somewhat agree with, used the MetroNorth and/or NJ Transit furthest commuter stations as the so-called "boundary". So Port Jervis over towards Middletown, Newburgh, Poughkeepsie to Wassaic is downstate.

    Then of course there's a sign on the Deegan Expressway in the Bronx, that says "Upstate", implying everything beoynd that point, Yonkers included, is upstate. Most Long Islanders agree with this.
    That sign on the Deegan is meant to signify north, essentially. One of the odd things about the "up" and "down," both in terms of its uses in the city and in the state is that it can double as a geographic marker and as a synonym for the direction headings north and south. Long Islanders and city residents think everything north of the immediate suburbs is upstate, but most of them travel out of the country as much as they do their own state or country.

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    As a "for what its worth":
    The term Upstate NY was started by New Yorker magazine as a tongue in cheek insult to the "rubes and cowhands" IIRC that were out of sight of the city. As a lifetime denizen of NY, "Upstate" is no place in NY. I live in central NY, my family is from the Finger Lakes (earned land for service in the Revolutionary War), Albany is the Capital district, the Adirondacks is the Adirondacks. Rochester, even though it is farther east than the Finger Lakes, is part of Western NY, as is Buffalo. The Hudson Valley also seems to have a name.

    I know this sounds too specific, but it is the same regional pride that folks from the Bronx or Queens have, and they get specificity without being lumped as Downstate NY. When a politician shows up in Syracuse talking about the problems of "Upstate", we all feel bad for the people discussed, but wonder what that has to do with us.

    As an aside, when Elliot Spitzer was newly elected governor, he showed up in Binghamton and discussed how the economy seemed reminiscent of Appalachia. Well, it is Appalachia, so why was he surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    As a lifetime denizen of NY, "Upstate" is no place in NY.?
    Hate to tell you this but if you live in some ill defined region north of "The City", you live upstate. Sorry, but you do. Just like I live Downstate. About as Downstate as you can get on the south shore of Nassau County. Just like Messina is about as Upstate as you can get.

    The terms exist and it somewhat resembles the scene in "Miracle on 34th Street" where the US Postal Service recognized Santa Claus. Many state and other agencies refer to both Upstate as well as Downstate in their names and terminology. Here's a Wiki comment:

    "Institutions with "Upstate" as part of their name include the State University of New York Upstate Medical University in Syracuse, the Upstate New York Chapter of the Arthritis Foundation serving 31 of New York's 62 counties,[9] and the VA Healthcare Network Upstate New York, which includes all of New York State northward and westward from Kingston, New York in Ulster County.[10] Other organizations in New York with "Upstate" in their name include the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, the Upstate Correctional Facility, the Upstate New York Club Hockey League, the Upstate New York Synod, and the Upstate Citizens for Equality."

    And of course the Downstate Medical Center.

    In fact, the entire Wiki article is an interesting read and points out why NY is such a fascinating state,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate_New_York

    But really it's only a frame of reference and as a life-long New Yorker as well, now from Long Island, we refer to anything north of The Bronx as Upstate. Having been raised in Westchester County, with family still in Binghamton, I know differently of course.....

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    I said "for what its worth". . Upstate & Downstate make for easy differentiation, and break the state into easy chunks. For convenience, I refer to everyone below Poughkeepsie as a Downstater, whether they are from Manhattan or Long Island's North Shore.

    In asking about "upstate" weather, the OP was specific about his local, but the gamut from Elmira to Lake Placid is vast. That was all I was saying.

    And if you are going to use wikipedia, three paragraphs up from your citation references how people in western, central, and northern NY object to the term Upstate. Not that it matters. You can typically tell the difference between lifers and transients based on what they call the area.

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    As a follow on:
    I am not expecting to change anyone's mind, but a friendly piece of advice to my fellow cyclists. It boils down to the same argument as the Washington Redskins name. Where no offense is meant by the term Upstate, if you are in the North Country, or Central New York, or the Finger Lakes, you will get a much friendlier reception if you refer to the area that you are in by the appropriate regional name.

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    I think we are getting WAY too serious with this !.

    Until I read the Wiki and you pointed it out (@RollCNY), I never knew that folks in various regions of NY disliked the Upstate term. Good to know.

    I suspect that as it is a term used primarily by "Citiots", and Long Islanders of course, of which I now have to count myself as one, the general dislike of folks from Downstate for folks living....... I won't use it....... Other area's of NY north and west of the NYC urban area, would breed contempt for the term.

    Totally understandable and I'l just revert to using "Hill Rat Country".

    Just kidding.

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    I think I sounded way more serious than it is, which is why my follow up couched it as the friendly hint it was. If you are in Syracuse and ask for the best diner in central NY, I'll tell you. If you ask me for the best diner in Upstate NY, it will be somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
    Just like Messina is about as Upstate as you can get.


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    Speaking of Massina, where else could you find such an emporium

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    Dislike for the term is perhaps a more recent thing. In the 60s and 70s, the magazine section of the Rochester Sunday paper was called "Upstate". It never dawned on us at the time to take offense. (Having left the region 30+ years ago, I now just refer to it all collectively as the frozen north.)

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    Growing up on Long Island, the Bronx was upstate, since it's on the mainland. Attached to the continental US=upstate. Then I got to Ithaca, and learned that Westchester, Putnam, and Rockland were downstate. It's all relative.

    What counts as uptown vs. downtown in Manhattan also depends on where you are. I've heard people use "downtown" to mean the Financial District, south of 14th St., or anything south of Midtown.

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    Its Massena. With an e, not an i.

    What we have all forgotten is that Long Island is the center of the universe (according to Long Islanders).

    Upstate is where Downstaters send their kids for four years to go to college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleansheet View Post
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    What we have all forgotten is that Long Island is the center of the universe (according to Long Islanders).

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    That's only because we have no choice but to make it so. To leave, it's either an expensive ferry ride or a few wasted hours stuck in traffic in The Bronx and believe me, I like to leave whenever I can !.

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    stayfed, how was your ride?

    I guess I'm both a downstater and an upstater.
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