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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    >>>>how much farther does the trail go past where i parked??<<<<

    they tried to run it through the Rt. 135 right-of-way, but that didn't work out. Rather than give up because they lost that big chunk of traffic-free right-of-way, they compromised and striped some bike lanes on the roadways instead. In the end, we got a really nice bikeway from Woodbury Road to Merrick Road, which is more than we had before.
    I recall that the path was supposed to be on-street from its existing northern terminus on Woodbury, go up East Dr. parallel to Rt. 135 then use the un-used ROW to Convent Lane. NIMBY's squashed that, idiots.

    Truth is, there's precious little in the way of potential locations to put bike paths on LI. Thus you learn to use the roads to get anywhere.

    To Billy, the next best trails (IMO) to ride in the NYC area, is as Tom mentioned, the South and North County trails in Westchester.

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    >>>>I recall that the path was supposed to be on-street from its existing northern terminus on Woodbury, go up East Dr. parallel to Rt. 135 then use the un-used ROW to Convent Lane. NIMBY's squashed that, idiots.<<<

    Yes. But with Convent Road being crazy busy once you get to the area around an elementary school, I proposed that they continue it through the old Rt. 135 right-of-way between the Jericho Water District and the Mercy First Home and into my neighborhood, where they would transform a big, overgrown lot full of people's trash into a small park and trail terminus. From there, the ride to the Syosset LIRR would be simple and much safer.

    This plan made it to a hardcover proposal that was placed in the library for community input. The "old school" neighbors (two of them, to be exact) fought it, arguing that it would bring too much traffic and too many crazy cyclists to the neighborhood, and then the Jericho Water District (fresh off 9-11-01) argued that it would bring potential terrorists too close to their water tower. That was the end of that.

    Today, the new, younger residents of my neighborhood all complain that they have to drive all the way to Woodbury Road to get on the bikeway.
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    what do u guys mean by "right-of-way"?

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    A right-of-way (aka "R-O-W" or just "ROW") is a stretch of land that has been put aside for a future roadway, trail, etc. We often refer to the "Rt. 135/Seaford-Oyster Bay Right-of-Way" or the "Bethpage Parkway Right-of-Way." In both cases, we are referring to land that had been purchased by NY State to accommodate the original routes of these roadways, but was never used.

    Today, the State still owns much of this land and has not done anything with it. In my neighborhood, the old Rt. 135 R-O-W exists as a series of wooded lots at the ends of several residential streets. Some residents clean them up occasionally, but others just dump their old mattresses and refrigerators there. A linear park with the Bethpage Bikeway Extension running through it would have cleaned all that up and turned over responsibility for cleaning to NY State.

    On another note: On Friday, I noticed a new green "info" sign for the bikeway planted on Southwoods Rd. It's got a historical photo of the Syosset LIRR station (c. 1912) that I paid a collector $25 for back in the mid-1990's and then used in my book about the community. I suppose the DOT got hold of a copy through the Syosset Library, which then shamelessly gave it away without insisting on a proper credit for me. Bummer. I coulda been immortalized on a bike path!
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    By the way, Billy...A few months back, I created a poll to give the bikeway north of Bethpage State Park a new name, as the "Bethpage Bikeway" doesn't really make sense for a route that goes from Massapequa to Woodbury. Thousands of forum members voted. Well, OK, one or two voted (other than myself), and they officially re-named it "The Papa Tom Bikeway." I'd appreciate if you'd use the proper name from now on.
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    lol ok....what is it they are still building on the "Papa Tom" bikeway? there was one short section where it looked like they were building a building and the path was a dirt road?

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    Oh, you must be referring to the Papa Tom Museum.

    (Actually, I haven't been on the northern section in a couple of weeks, so I don't know what building you are referring to. Also, none of the path is dirt anymore. You may have caught a section of the Greenbelt Mountain Bike Trail.)
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    they cut it out maybe since u been there, its before u get to the bethpage picnic area, they have signs that say the path is closed but everyone goes thru the blockade...its about 100 yards of dirt and some building or maybe another parking lot getting built off to side....looks more like its gonna be a building thou...maybe it is the papa tom museum

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    The construction you saw is the site of a new water well and pumping station for the local water district.
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    What a great route! Woodbury to Tobay in 2 hours, back in 2:20 (hello headwind!). I did it yesterday for the first time. Left from Trail View, took the woods trail south for one short stretch, right on Woodbury Road, left onto Froelich Farm (this is an easy one to miss!) where it joins the bike path and then took the path all the way south to Clark and then followed your directions. Thanks for the great route!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevelerner View Post
    What a great route! Woodbury to Tobay in 2 hours, back in 2:20 (hello headwind!). I did it yesterday for the first time. Left from Trail View, took the woods trail south for one short stretch, right on Woodbury Road, left onto Froelich Farm (this is an easy one to miss!) where it joins the bike path and then took the path all the way south to Clark and then followed your directions. Thanks for the great route!
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    Sorry, a few months late into this discussion, but I just found out about a much easier, bike-friendly link from the Bethpage Bikeway to the Jones Beach Bike Path:

    - Exit off Behtpage Bikeway right onto Clarke, heading west, as others have said.
    - Make a left onto Washington Ave just after Tackapausha Preserve, heading south
    -Cross over Sunrise Highway, make a right on Waverly Ave, heading West
    - (Here's where things change) - Cross under the SOBE and make a left onto Seaford Ave heading south.
    - At Merrick Road, make a quick left-right dogleg onto Neptune Ave., heading south
    - Make a right onto Cedar Street heading west, and enter Cedar Creek Park at the soccer fields through a pedestrian and bike only entrance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermute View Post
    Sorry, a few months late into this discussion, but I just found out about a much easier, bike-friendly link from the Bethpage Bikeway to the Jones Beach Bike Path:

    - Exit off Behtpage Bikeway right onto Clarke, heading west, as others have said.
    - Make a left onto Washington Ave just after Tackapausha Preserve, heading south
    -Cross over Sunrise Highway, make a right on Waverly Ave, heading West
    - (Here's where things change) - Cross under the SOBE and make a left onto Seaford Ave heading south.
    - At Merrick Road, make a quick left-right dogleg onto Neptune Ave., heading south
    - Make a right onto Cedar Street heading west, and enter Cedar Creek Park at the soccer fields through a pedestrian and bike only entrance.
    That's seemingly an OK route, will have to give it a try.

    Thanks wintermute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermute View Post
    - Exit off Behtpage Bikeway right onto Clarke, heading west, as others have said.
    - Make a left onto Washington Ave just after Tackapausha Preserve, heading south
    -Cross over Sunrise Highway, make a right on Waverly Ave, heading West
    - (Here's where things change) - Cross under the SOBE and make a left onto Seaford Ave heading south.
    - At Merrick Road, make a quick left-right dogleg onto Neptune Ave., heading south
    - Make a right onto Cedar Street heading west, and enter Cedar Creek Park at the soccer fields through a pedestrian and bike only entrance.
    I just tried that route and do not recommend it.

    Washington Ave. has a good amount of car traffic on it. South of Sunrise it has a concrete roadbed with blacktop shoulders. The concrete has many patches and is in poor condition. The blacktop shoulders are no better. There is a good 1"-2" difference in height between the two surfaces so going around parked cars can be treacherous. Having to make to jump on the 1" higher concrete with with the difference running parallel to your movement is easy way to crash and the car traffic won't give you a break.

    I also traveled at the worst time, 11:00am Sunday and with the 2 churches on the road there was cars everywhere.

    Taking Clark past the SOB and wandering through the residential streets is much safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnslow2 View Post
    I just tried that route and do not recommend it.

    Washington Ave. has a good amount of car traffic on it. South of Sunrise it has a concrete roadbed with blacktop shoulders. The concrete has many patches and is in poor condition. The blacktop shoulders are no better. There is a good 1"-2" difference in height between the two surfaces so going around parked cars can be treacherous. Having to make to jump on the 1" higher concrete with with the difference running parallel to your movement is easy way to crash and the car traffic won't give you a break.

    I also traveled at the worst time, 11:00am Sunday and with the 2 churches on the road there was cars everywhere.

    Taking Clark past the SOB and wandering through the residential streets is much safer.
    Yeah, I could definitely see that being a problem. I live on Washington, so I guess I'm just used to it. But that Neptune Ave into Cedar Creek Park is huge. Maybe Clarke to Seaman's Neck Road southbound instead of Washington may be a better bet. There's still a decent amount of traffic, but it's a wider, newer road, with only residences along it's length.
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    Here's my route:
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    ^^^^^ he's right, that is the safest route. i used to take the back roads from Massapequa to the Tobay bike path in the summer, and i used the same exact route, the only difference was that i make the first left after you go under 135 and make the right on Park where it starts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVE ONE SIX View Post
    ^^^^^ he's right, that is the safest route. i used to take the back roads from Massapequa to the Tobay bike path in the summer, and i used the same exact route, the only difference was that i make the first left after you go under 135 and make the right on Park where it starts...
    Thats my prefered route as well, stay on Park.

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