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    Bethpage Bikeway

    This says its 12 miles and an endpoint is Trail View State Park....is TVSP different then Bethpage State park? Is the extension they built from BSP to TVSP...if so is open? can i park at TVSP and go??

    https://www.traillink.com/trail/bethpage-bikeway.aspx

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    To help clarify.

    The "Bethpage Bike Path" or MUP is so named as it follows the right-of-way used by the Bethpage Parkway. That ROW actually has a parkway on it from the Southern State Parkway to the traffic circle in Bethapage State PARK. Note the cap's.

    Thus the original path actually runs thru assorted parks and preserves from Merrrick Rd. in the Massapequa Preserve (Nassau County) to the picnic area in Bethpage Sate Park.

    The new extension, still called the Bethpage MUP, starts adjacent to the picnic area lot in BP State Park and runs north thru the park to Haypath Road. At that point the right-of-way that was to be used for the Parkway (but never was) is in what is called Trailview State Park. It starts at Haypath Rd. and runs to Cold Spring Harbor. The new bike path/MUP follows the TV ROW as far as the LIE service Rd at Washington Ave., then heads west along the LIE to Sunnyside Lane, following Sunnyside down to Woodbury Rd., the northern terminus. TVSP continues north to Cold Spring Harbor.

    Distances:

    - Merrick Rd to BP State Park picnic area and the start of the extension - 7.5 miles one-way
    - New MUP at BP State Park to the end at Woodbury Rd. - 5.5 miles one-way

    Parking:

    - If you want to pay $10 or whatever, park at the picnic area lot at BPSP.
    - Or at the TOBAY public lot on Powell Ave. in BP, about 1/2 mile to the path.
    - Or on Haypath Rd. or any of the side streets (Evelyn Dr. is quiet) and access the path from there.
    - Also along Old Bethpage Rd. is good.
    - If you want to start in the south, off West Dr., at the northbound Boundary Rd exit of the BP Parkway is good,
    - The small lot on Sunrise where the path crosses Sunrise, just east of the Massapequa Park LIRR
    - Or the MPP LIRR lot on weekends.
    - TV also has parking lots for the new path at Old Country Rd. (actually on E. Bethpage Rd, just north of Old Country)
    - The intersection of Washington and Executive Drive,
    - A small lot on Sunnyside Lane, just east of Woodbury.

    It's all complete at this point.
    Last edited by Steve B.; 06-04-14 at 01:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
    To help clarify.

    The "Bethpage Bike Path" or MUP is so named as it follows the right-of-way used by the Bethpage Parkway. That ROW actually has a parkway on it from the Southern State Parkway to the traffic circle in Bethapage State PARK. Note the cap's.

    Thus the original path actually runs thru assorted parks and preserves from Merrrick Rd. in the Massapequa Preserve (Nassau County) to the picnic area in Bethpage Sate Park.

    The new extension, still called the Bethpage MUP, starts adjacent to the picnic area lot in BP State Park and runs north thru the park to Haypath Road. At that point the right-of-way that was to be used for the Parkway (but never was) is in what is called Trailview State Park. It starts at Haypath Rd. and runs to Cold Spring Harbor. The new bike path/MUP follows the TV ROW as far as the LIE service Rd at Washington Ave., then heads west along the LIE to Sunnyside Lane, following Sunnyside down to Woodbury Rd., the northern terminus. TVSP continues north to Cold Spring Harbor.

    Distances:

    - Merrick Rd to BP State Park picnic area and the start of the extension - 7.5 miles one-way
    - New MUP at BP State Park to the end at Woodbury Rd. - 5.5 miles one-way

    Parking:

    - If you want to pay $10 or whatever, park at the picnic area lot at BPSP.
    - Or at the TOBAY public lot on Powell Ave. in BP, about 1/2 mile to the path.
    - Or on Haypath Rd. or any of the side streets (Evelyn Dr. is quiet) and access the path from there.
    - Also along Old Bethpage Rd. is good.
    - If you want to start in the south, off West Dr., at the northbound Boundary Rd exit of the BP Parkway is good,
    - The small lot on Sunrise where the path crosses Sunrise, just east of the Massapequa Park LIRR
    - Or the MPP LIRR lot on weekends.
    - TV also has parking lots for the new path at Old Country Rd. (actually on E. Bethpage Rd, just north of Old Country)
    - The intersection of Washington and Executive Drive,
    - A small lot on Sunnyside Lane, just east of Woodbury.

    It's all complete at this point.
    thanx for clearing that up for me!

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    I think you might be confusing the Bethpage Bikeway Extension with the Nassau Greenbelt Trail, a mountain bike path that runs parallel to the Bethpage Bikeway much of its length, but then veers off into the woods at around Sunnyside Blvd and ultimately passes through the parking lot of Trailview State Park (next to Stop & Shop) before heading toward the technical mountain bike trail at Stillwell Woods. The Greenbelt also continues - as a hiking trail - to Cold Spring Harbor.

    The Bethpage Bikeway goes from Merrick Rd on the south end to Bethpage State Park in the "middle," then continues as a bikeway to Woodbury Road in Woodbury. From there, a marked on-road bike lane leads you to the Syosset LIRR station.

    I guess we can better answer this question if we know whether you are mountain biking or pleasure riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    I think you might be confusing the Bethpage Bikeway Extension with the Nassau Greenbelt Trail, a mountain bike path that runs parallel to the Bethpage Bikeway much of its length, but then veers off into the woods at around Sunnyside Blvd and ultimately passes through the parking lot of Trailview State Park (next to Stop & Shop) before heading toward the technical mountain bike trail at Stillwell Woods. The Greenbelt also continues - as a hiking trail - to Cold Spring Harbor.

    The Bethpage Bikeway goes from Merrick Rd on the south end to Bethpage State Park in the "middle," then continues as a bikeway to Woodbury Road in Woodbury. From there, a marked on-road bike lane leads you to the Syosset LIRR station.

    I guess we can better answer this question if we know whether you are mountain biking or pleasure riding.
    pleasure biking...i want to start as far north as possible and end merrick rd or possibly continue on to cedar creek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
    pleasure biking...i want to start as far north as possible and end merrick rd or possibly continue on to cedar creek!
    Then you can park at the (small) lot on Sunnyside, about 1/4 mile east of Woodbury Rd., it's then uphill on Sunnyside, then south and over the Northern Parkway, then a left onto the north side of the LIE service road (at the Holiday Inn) then rollers down to Washington Ave. It's in Trailview after that to BP.

    My preferred route to link to the Jones Beach path is to get off the BP path at Clark Ave. (11.5 miles from Woodbury Rd.), which is just after the "Kiwanis" fishing bridge. I go right on Clark about for about 2 miles on good roads and under the Seaford-OBY Expressway, an immediate left on W Seamans Neck Rd. then a right (only choice) on Park Ave. Then another mile to a left on Beach Ave. (at the 7-11), cross Sunrise and down to Merrick Rd. A left and quick right into Cedar Creak Park and you are at the JB path.

    From Woodbury Rd. to the east bath house at JB is about 20.5 miles, one-way, if you extend out to TOBAY, it's another 3.5, so 24 or so one-way, 48 RT. A fair distance considering that only about 8 is on roads.

    That's actually amazing for Long Island, IMO.

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    indeed sounds like a lovely ride....is merrick rd all that terrible for that short distance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
    indeed sounds like a lovely ride....is merrick rd all that terrible for that short distance?
    Yes... take Clark.

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    Or do this...

    Just as you come around the last curve of the Bethpage Bikeway (~ 1 block before Merrick Road) get off the path on the right and backtrack a little up Ocean Avenue to Prospect Place.

    Veer left on Prospect Place and go straight 2/10 mile to Hicksville Road.

    Make a left onto Hicksville Road and a right at the first corner onto Maple Street

    Take Maple Street 3/10 mile to Seaford Avenue.

    Make a left onto Seaford Avenue, go 1/10 mile and enter the Takapausha Preserve on your right. Use the paved path that skirts the pond, continually bearing right (do not head toward Merrick Road.) Eventually, you’ll see a small opening in a fence and the path will end

    Enter a path with a wood chip surface for about 100 feet. Look to the left for an opening in the fence and exit the path here. Now you’ll be on the grounds of the Takapausha Museum. Get on the paved path and exit the museum parking lot onto Washington Avenue.

    Make a right onto Washington Avenue and go 1/10 mile to the first left turn, which is Waverly Avenue (United Methodist Church on corner).

    Make left onto Waverly, cross under Rt. 135, and continue to end (at 9/10 mile).

    Make left onto Willoughby Avenue and go 2/10 mile to Merrick Road.

    Just before reaching Merrick Road, make a right onto the parking lot of the shopping strip and ride behind the stores 1/10 mile to Spruce Avenue.

    Make a right onto Spruce and go 1/10 mile to Walters Avenue.

    Make a left onto Walters Avenue and proceed 1/10 mile to Fir Street.

    Make a left onto Fir Street and continue 1/10 mile to Merrick Road. Cedar Creek Park will be directly across the street. This is the exit, but it is safer to cross here (at the light) than to cross into the entrance, which is one block further.

    Either way, DON'T TAKE MERRICK!

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    Steve:

    Is the parking lot on Sunnyside open yet? I wish this whole thing wasn't such a mystery. A parking ticket would surely kill a good ride.
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    It's always been open as it wasn't built for the path, it's a small pull off of Sunnyside, good for 4 -5 cars or so. They put the path right next to it. I'm not aware of any
    No Parking" signs here and have seen cars parked at this location.

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    Cool, but I still wish they were keeping us up to date on the progress of this bikeway. The signs along Southwoods and Woodbury Road are no longer covered with plastic bags, but is that because they fell off, or are the bike lanes on those roads officially open? Regardless of whether the DOT makes a big to-do out of it, I'd like to stage SOME kind of grand opening event so that this very expensive gift we've gotten doesn't just rot away before anybody knows about it.
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    thx for all the recommendations.....do they have bike lock ups right at the first beach when come from cedar creek? i didnt take notice when i passed there the other day...also u cant ride the bike on boardwalk right??

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    They used to have bike racks at Zack's Bay, which is the first beach, but those are gone. Now they have bike racks at Jones Beach, which is on the other side of Ocean Parkway. TOBAY will be installing them soon, as they do not allow bikes in the parking lot.
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    The bike lockup at JB is at the east bath house, which is on the south side of Ocean Parkway, the second tunnel after you turn out of lot 5. There's a lot of bike lockup capacity at JB.

    There are bike lockups as well at TOBAY, but only enough for maybe 20-30 bikes. The lockup is on the state side of the path, right before the fence that says "No bikes past this point". Last Sunday at 11:30 it had maybe a dozen bikes.

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    Ah, the rack at TOBAY must be new, as I know the sign definitely is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    Ah, the rack at TOBAY must be new, as I know the sign definitely is.
    They've enough signs that people are somewhat ignoring.
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    well i did what u said steve b and parked at that little cut out (for about 4 hrs no ticket) and went out jones, I used the clark route to cedar as it looked more direct with less turns, maybe it had 2 or 3 turns but was direct and really no traffic. There and back 42 miles and I wont ever do it again! if anyone does that route there is a parking lot on Washington that is only a little bit closer but will cut out a couple hills that you not want to deal after doing 40 miles...well at least i didnt i admit that one on the LIE i walked up a bit, my legs were like rubber by then!! all in all its a beautiful ride

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    I don't know what they were thinking with that stretch along the LIE service road. There are other substantial hills on the route, but none like this one, which is a deal-breaker if you're thinking about bringing kids or sluggish riders. I hope they re-think and re-route it someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    I don't know what they were thinking with that stretch along the LIE service road. There are other substantial hills on the route, but none like this one, which is a deal-breaker if you're thinking about bringing kids or sluggish riders. I hope they re-think and re-route it someday.
    glad to hear someone say that...i feel a little better now, i dont feel like such a loser but like i said after the LIE there is another parking area fully operational ...you cut out a few good hills using that one

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    Ummm,,, my apologies to Billy.

    Somewhere I possibly could have mentioned that the LIE stretch from Washington to Sunnyside and down to Woodbury has hills. Sucks that it came at the end of what I'm certain was a long day. As well, you somewhat notice, but subtly, that it's all an uphill grade on the BP path from about Hempstead Ave. north, as you do climb maybe 200-300 ft. It can drag on you and then you hit the LIE.

    I am totally impressed that you did this ride. It's a pretty good distance and I would not have been able to do this at this point in the riding season (I'm currently good for about 32 !).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    I don't know what they were thinking with that stretch along the LIE service road. There are other substantial hills on the route, but none like this one, which is a deal-breaker if you're thinking about bringing kids or sluggish riders. I hope they re-think and re-route it someday.
    The option for the BP extension was to continue thru and on the BP Parkway ROW - or what is now known as Trailview, north of the LIE I don't know if you've ever mt. biked the Greenbelt or the now blue blazed mt. bike trail, north of the LIE, but it's all hills, up and down to Woodbury Rd. My understanding was it would have completely blown the budget and did not land cyclists anywhere near a LIRR station, unless they continued across and north of Jericho Tpk then diverted as on-street to the CSH LIRR station. The expense of grading the path in the hills was prohibitive and severely impacted on the existing Greenbelt hiking as well as CLIMB Mt bike trails, which would have needed extensive re-locating and interaction with the paved bike path.

    As it is, the BP Bikeway extension did and mostly destroy the Greenbelt hiking trail north of Haypath Rd to the LIE. It's my understanding that the hiking club insisted that the contractor build a new hiking trail in many sections, which they did and that the hikers did not want to use volunteers to build a custom hiking trail. So the contractor used a bob-cat to cut the trail, then put down a woodchip surfaced path. It really sucks to hike or run on or so I'm told, as the chip surface is soft and tiring unless frozen. Ironically, the CLIMB trail was not impacted except for the section between Old Bethpage Rd and Old Country, where CLIMB volunteers built a new custom and much improved trail.

    Thy irony comes that the walkers and hikers prefer the mt. bike trial for it's packed and firm dirt surface, but the intent of separating the user groups was completely lost in the process, thus we (mt. bikers) are encountering runners and hikers all the time now.

    And as BTW, the reason they needed to tie in to an LIRR station was the funding was ISTEA - Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act, or federal funding that paid the bulk (or all) of the project, so a requirement, thus the on-street lane markings to Syosett LIRR, and supposedly to CSH LIRR as well (was never clear if they did that section).

    FWIW, the TOBAY path extension, as well as the proposed extension to Captree, is all State of NY parks funding, as the ISTEA funding is all long gone and couldn't be used in this case anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
    Ummm,,, my apologies to Billy.

    Somewhere I possibly could have mentioned that the LIE stretch from Washington to Sunnyside and down to Woodbury has hills. Sucks that it came at the end of what I'm certain was a long day. As well, you somewhat notice, but subtly, that it's all an uphill grade on the BP path from about Hempstead Ave. north, as you do climb maybe 200-300 ft. It can drag on you and then you hit the LIE.

    I am totally impressed that you did this ride. It's a pretty good distance and I would not have been able to do this at this point int he riding season (I'm currently good for about 32 !).

    @Tom. The option for the BP extension was to continue thru and on the BP Parkway ROW - or what is now known as Trailview, north of the LIE I don't know if you've ever mt. biked the Greenbelt or the now blue blazed mt. bike trail, north of the LIE, but it's all hills, up and down to Woodbury Rd. My understanding was it would have completely blown the budget and did not land cyclists anywhere near a LIRR station, unless they continued across and north of Jericho Tpk then diverted as on-street to the CSH LIRR station. The expense of grading the path in the hills was prohibitive and severely impacted on the existing Greenbelt hiking as well as CLIMB Mt bike trails, which would have needed extensive re-locating and interaction with the paved bike path.

    The reason they needed to tie in to an LIRR station was the funding was ISTEA - Inermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act, or federal funding that paid the bulk (or all) of the project, so a requirement, thus the on-street lane markings to Syosett LIRR, and supposedly to CSH LIRR as well (was never clear if they did that section).

    FWIW, the TOBAY path extension, as well as the proposed extension to Captree, is all State of NY parks funding, as the ISTEA funding is all long gone and couldn't be used in this case anyway.
    lol no worries, when i was coasting down that at the beginning i knew it wasnt gonna be good later...i should have let u know I was a novice!!.....how much farther does the trail go past where i parked??

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    >>>>how much farther does the trail go past where i parked??<<<<

    The trail ends a few hundred feet (?) north of where you parked, at Woodbury Road. From there, a marked biked lane leads you (theoretically) to the Syosset LIRR station. Woodbury Road is horrible to ride on, as is Piquets Lane, the next step of the journey. Once you get to Southwoods Road, there's a nice bike lane that continues on Syosset-Cold Spring Road (another lousy road to bike on) to the train station. If you choose to continue to the train station, you're better off taking Southwoods to Convent to Greenway Circle to Sherman Drive to Ira Road to the station. Google Map it and it will make sense!

    Essentially, State Senator (and my friend) Carl Marcellino found a way to secure funding for this project back in the late 1990's by guaranteeing that the bikeway extension would lead to a mass transit station. He turned it over to the NYS DOT and they tried to run it through the Rt. 135 right-of-way, but that didn't work out. Rather than give up because they lost that big chunk of traffic-free right-of-way, they compromised and striped some bike lanes on the roadways instead. In the end, we got a really nice bikeway from Woodbury Road to Merrick Road, which is more than we had before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    >>>>how much farther does the trail go past where i parked??<<<<

    The trail ends a few hundred feet (?) north of where you parked, at Woodbury Road. From there, a marked biked lane leads you (theoretically) to the Syosset LIRR station. Woodbury Road is horrible to ride on, as is Piquets Lane, the next step of the journey. Once you get to Southwoods Road, there's a nice bike lane that continues on Syosset-Cold Spring Road (another lousy road to bike on) to the train station. If you choose to continue to the train station, you're better off taking Southwoods to Convent to Greenway Circle to Sherman Drive to Ira Road to the station. Google Map it and it will make sense!

    Essentially, State Senator (and my friend) Carl Marcellino found a way to secure funding for this project back in the late 1990's by guaranteeing that the bikeway extension would lead to a mass transit station. He turned it over to the NYS DOT and they tried to run it through the Rt. 135 right-of-way, but that didn't work out. Rather than give up because they lost that big chunk of traffic-free right-of-way, they compromised and striped some bike lanes on the roadways instead. In the end, we got a really nice bikeway from Woodbury Road to Merrick Road, which is more than we had before.
    sure beats the belt pkwy! thou I do kinda like the 84 st to floyd bennett ride! once those other bridges are done im sure it will be even better.......i carry the pepper spray on that one, never know whats gonna jump out of those weeds

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