In your face, Palomares!
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In your face, Palomares!
Today the ride took my own chubby self (5'10" 218lbs) from walnut creek to the top of Palomares road and back. This, for me, is a milestone achievement, so I must 'brag'. Quotes intentional, because I know normal cyclists can do it 3x and hardly notice. Clearly I'm not at that point yet.
So for now, I'm very glad I made it up that very steep, seemingly endless incline that was spewed forth from the bowels of cycling hell. It was a great ride, weather was fantastic for January and although I can't say I was fast... or that I resembled a human once I got to the top, Palomares is in the bag.
So for now, I'm very glad I made it up that very steep, seemingly endless incline that was spewed forth from the bowels of cycling hell. It was a great ride, weather was fantastic for January and although I can't say I was fast... or that I resembled a human once I got to the top, Palomares is in the bag.
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Palomares means "pigeon houses", also a city in Spain. Bravo.
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Congratulations--keep doing it and it will become easier--it is a great feeling that is why we ride.
Indeed it was a nice day, so much warmer, rode up Pinehurst to Skyline/Chabot Observatory and down Redwood back to Lafayette.
Lots of standing water, the creeks were really going with some mud and rock slides that is a nice change.
Indeed it was a nice day, so much warmer, rode up Pinehurst to Skyline/Chabot Observatory and down Redwood back to Lafayette.
Lots of standing water, the creeks were really going with some mud and rock slides that is a nice change.
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Great job, nice report too.
I could feel your enthusiasm and joy at the accomplishment.
Palomares is a real nice road, I am overdue for a visit.
Thanks for the reminder.
I could feel your enthusiasm and joy at the accomplishment.
Palomares is a real nice road, I am overdue for a visit.
Thanks for the reminder.
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Interesting it is way South right across from the border of Morocco and Algeria according to the map.
Also in spanish as in french there is a "dedicated" word for a pigeon house: "pigeonnier" and actually there is a second one: "colombier" but I am not aware of any town in France with such a name!
At least I will go to sleep a little less dumb compared to this morning!
Sorry just rattling on--too good of a ride today and its effect!
Also in spanish as in french there is a "dedicated" word for a pigeon house: "pigeonnier" and actually there is a second one: "colombier" but I am not aware of any town in France with such a name!
At least I will go to sleep a little less dumb compared to this morning!
Sorry just rattling on--too good of a ride today and its effect!
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Thank you guys. Ironically I forgot to mention the best part. I finally found a saddle! Made it to the end of the ride without any sit bone pain, then realized (for once!) my butt was not at the forefront of my consciousness during the ride.
Hehehe. I wanted to do part of that ride from Castro Valley up to Skyline and Chabot observatory. It's really a beautiful area. The view from skyline is amazing and I'll never get over how much wilderness there is in the Bay Area... But I decided to drive it first, then quickly decided I wasn't ready to bike it yet! Maybe in 25lbs
I also noticed my ears were warm for a change... And a lot more water in creeks. On the descent we stopped to clear some 10+ large boulders that were completely blocking the road. Drive and bike carefully. Lot of loose gravel near the shoulder as well :/
Congratulations--keep doing it and it will become easier--it is a great feeling that is why we ride.
Indeed it was a nice day, so much warmer, rode up Pinehurst to Skyline/Chabot Observatory and down Redwood back to Lafayette.
Lots of standing water, the creeks were really going with some mud and rock slides that is a nice change.
Indeed it was a nice day, so much warmer, rode up Pinehurst to Skyline/Chabot Observatory and down Redwood back to Lafayette.
Lots of standing water, the creeks were really going with some mud and rock slides that is a nice change.
I also noticed my ears were warm for a change... And a lot more water in creeks. On the descent we stopped to clear some 10+ large boulders that were completely blocking the road. Drive and bike carefully. Lot of loose gravel near the shoulder as well :/
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Way to go on making it up Palomares. And don't put yourself down - it is not Alpe d'Huez, but it ain't easy, either. You made it, and you enjoyed it, and that is all that really matters.
Next, arrange to go up the south side - a much prettier climb. Doing it as a clockwise loop from either of the Dublin/Pleasanton BART stations is a great time on the bike.
Next, arrange to go up the south side - a much prettier climb. Doing it as a clockwise loop from either of the Dublin/Pleasanton BART stations is a great time on the bike.
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I'm apprehensive of cycling in Niles Canyon road traffic. I suppose I could use the south-side descent to recover, do a U turn, (maybe take a 4 hours nap) and start a south side climb.
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Keep climbing, and you will find that eventually, descending to the south side and turning around isn't that big a deal (although for me, never to the point where it is a walk in the park). There was a day when I could not get to the top of Palomares, there was a day when it would have taken everything I had to get to the top of Palomares, but now, while still a deal, not a big deal to go up the north side, down the south, and back the other way. Of course, it helped when I got really low gearing, and most people crazy enough to be cycling on Palomares will still blow by me.
Whether "normal" cyclists can do Palomares 3x and hardly notice depends on your definition of "normal." If "normal" means hardcore cyclists who spend a lot of time on the bike and climb a lot of hills, then maybe you are right, but I wouldn't use that group for my definition of "normal." Heck, I spend a lot of time on the bike and climb a lot of hills, and if I did Palomares 3x, I would definitely notice. I could do it, but I would notice. If you are to the point where you can go from Walnut Creek to the top of Palomares and back, then I am afraid that you may have already arrived where most of us here are -- beyond "normal." Non-cyclists certainly will think a ride like Walnut Creek to the top of Palomares and back is really hard core and not normal, so you should be very happy with that accomplishment. You can always shoot for more because there are a lot of rides out there that are fun and beautiful, and shooting for more can give you more incentive to get a lighter bike engine. If you keep going, you may make yourself amazed at the day when that ride was a big deal for you, but you absolutely want to relish the milestones!
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Palomares has a tough profile.
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Congratulations on your accomplishment and thanks for sharing the story!
Is that a "popular" route/segment? Would that climb happen to be a named segment on Strava (anyone know this?) I have a riding buddy who lives out there, and maybe we'll try it one of these days.
Is that a "popular" route/segment? Would that climb happen to be a named segment on Strava (anyone know this?) I have a riding buddy who lives out there, and maybe we'll try it one of these days.
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Another option is to take BART to the Fremont station and ride out to Palomares from the west end of Niles Canyon. The distance on Niles is shorter (albeit slightly uphill west to east as opposed to slightly downhill from Sunol) and there is a more consistent shoulder out to Palomares. Then you either ride all the way home or hope on BART again (Castro Valley or West Dublin/Pleasanton, as you prefer) to get home.
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That's awesome. Thank you so much for posting this. I was wondering how it compared to my ultimate goal and nemesis. What do you use to generate these charts?
Thank you. I'd say it's a known climb in the area. On my strava the full climb is called "palomares full climb" and it splits into three major segments:"Palomares near top", "Last stretch to goats", "The pain of palomares". There might be more hidden segments I didn't browse for...
And thank you @blt I will definitely keep climbing. I love the challenge and I do love seeing myself get better on Strava over time. Sometimes though I find it difficult to feel too great about accomplishing something when a lot of other people are doing it at 5x my speed It's a hefty dose of humble sauce!
And thank you @blt I will definitely keep climbing. I love the challenge and I do love seeing myself get better on Strava over time. Sometimes though I find it difficult to feel too great about accomplishing something when a lot of other people are doing it at 5x my speed It's a hefty dose of humble sauce!
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Isn't that mile 185 of the Devil Mountain Double? I remember riding up it at at 10:30 at night hearing frogs and having a deer bounce across my path and being pretty sure I was going to die, or at least never ride a bicycle again.
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
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Isn't that mile 185 of the Devil Mountain Double? I remember riding up it at at 10:30 at night hearing frogs and having a deer bounce across my path and being pretty sure I was going to die, or at least never ride a bicycle again.
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
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1) What you are doing is at least as hard, if not harder, than what those blowing by you are doing. While you may not be in as good physical condition as they are, your mental toughness is at least as great as that of anyone else out there. Those blowing by you may be faster, but they are likely having an easier time of it, your mental toughness is as great as that of anyone out there, greater than many. There are cyclists in better shape than you are who don’t want to ride Palomares because it is too tough.
2) There are plenty of cyclists out there that you might keep pace with, or even pass, but they don't want to take the challenge of riding a road like Palomares or any of the other nasty climbs around the Bay Area (except maybe Diablo, it is "sexy" enough that more people are willing to endure suffering to try to make it to the top). On a nasty climb, you don't see any cyclists in worse shape than you, because none of them are willing to endure what it takes to ride those roads. If there are those out there riding slow like you (for instance, if I'm on the road the same day as you), you won't likely see them, even if you are riding 0.25 mph faster then me, the odds of us being close enough together for you to pass me when you're only gaining about 22 feet per minute are really slim, but most who are as slow or slower than you just can't handle that climb.
It is always good to stay humble, but you should also feel good about your accomplishments.
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Isn't that mile 185 of the Devil Mountain Double? I remember riding up it at at 10:30 at night hearing frogs and having a deer bounce across my path and being pretty sure I was going to die, or at least never ride a bicycle again.
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
I think I saw a winery, but I never went back to check. Can you make wine out of tears and lactic acid?
Yup, the DMD goes up the south side of Palomares. That isn't even the final insult of that ride. After Palomares and the ride into Castro Valley, the sadists that run that ride make you go over Norris Canyon Road to get back to the San Ramon start/finish. Just a little bit of "was that really necessary" to close out an otherwise torturous event.
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When you are feeling humbled by the fact that so many people on nasty roads like Palomares are so much faster than you, that you never pass anyone there, everyone you see is passing you, and you want something to make you feel a little better, remember 2 things.
1) What you are doing is at least as hard, if not harder, than what those blowing by you are doing. While you may not be in as good physical condition as they are, your mental toughness is at least as great as that of anyone else out there. Those blowing by you may be faster, but they are likely having an easier time of it, your mental toughness is as great as that of anyone out there, greater than many. There are cyclists in better shape than you are who don’t want to ride Palomares because it is too tough.
2) There are plenty of cyclists out there that you might keep pace with, or even pass, but they don't want to take the challenge of riding a road like Palomares or any of the other nasty climbs around the Bay Area (except maybe Diablo, it is "sexy" enough that more people are willing to endure suffering to try to make it to the top). On a nasty climb, you don't see any cyclists in worse shape than you, because none of them are willing to endure what it takes to ride those roads. If there are those out there riding slow like you (for instance, if I'm on the road the same day as you), you won't likely see them, even if you are riding 0.25 mph faster then me, the odds of us being close enough together for you to pass me when you're only gaining about 22 feet per minute are really slim, but most who are as slow or slower than you just can't handle that climb.
It is always good to stay humble, but you should also feel good about your accomplishments.
1) What you are doing is at least as hard, if not harder, than what those blowing by you are doing. While you may not be in as good physical condition as they are, your mental toughness is at least as great as that of anyone else out there. Those blowing by you may be faster, but they are likely having an easier time of it, your mental toughness is as great as that of anyone out there, greater than many. There are cyclists in better shape than you are who don’t want to ride Palomares because it is too tough.
2) There are plenty of cyclists out there that you might keep pace with, or even pass, but they don't want to take the challenge of riding a road like Palomares or any of the other nasty climbs around the Bay Area (except maybe Diablo, it is "sexy" enough that more people are willing to endure suffering to try to make it to the top). On a nasty climb, you don't see any cyclists in worse shape than you, because none of them are willing to endure what it takes to ride those roads. If there are those out there riding slow like you (for instance, if I'm on the road the same day as you), you won't likely see them, even if you are riding 0.25 mph faster then me, the odds of us being close enough together for you to pass me when you're only gaining about 22 feet per minute are really slim, but most who are as slow or slower than you just can't handle that climb.
It is always good to stay humble, but you should also feel good about your accomplishments.
That does look great. Ah... bay area is excellent on a bike. I can't wait to try Diablo... Soon.... Soon...
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