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    San Francisco Randonneurs 200K Brevet -- 01/26/08

    This ride starts at the Golden Gate Bridge, goes out to the Point Reyes Lighthouse via Sir Francisco Drake, up to Marshall, then back to the Bridge. 125 miles in all. Saturday, January 26, with a start time of 7AM.

    Brevets aren't quite the same as organized centuries/double centuries. They're timed events, and you have to check in at certain points (called "controls") by specific cut-off times. The times are pretty manageable, though, especially for "shorter" brevets like the 200K and 300K. For the 200K, for example, you have to finish in 13.5 hours. Why all the bureacracy? Ask the French; they're the ones who invented randonneuring and brevets...

    I did the 200K last year. It's a pretty nice route with no major climbs, just a lot of rollers and a few extended but still pretty short climbs (i.e., White's Hill in Fairfax and a few climbs on the Point Reyes peninsula).

    Unlike organized centuries, brevets have minimal support. The idea is you're supposed to be self-sufficient. So you need to bring your own food and liquid, but you still have to pay $20 as an entry fee. Again, blame it on the French. SAG support is pretty non-existent too, although I do believe there was at least one volunteer sweeping the course on the 200K last year. Don't know if that will be true this time around though.

    In past years, the SF Randonneurs club put on a full series: 200K, 300K, 400K, and 600K. This year, it's just a 200K and 300K so far. I think of the local clubs (there are ones in Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa, and Davis too), only Davis is putting on a full series this year.

    The SF rides are limited to 100 riders. You can learn more about all the weird rules and regulations of randonneuring and get an entry form here.

    While it can get pretty foggy and windy out on the Point Reyes peninsula, we got lucky last year and had nice weather. And when the weather's nice, it's beautiful out there, miles and miles of rolling hills and very little traffic. If you're interested, sign up!

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    I'll be there.

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    I'll try to draft off Veronica.

    And my husband is doing check in at the finish (the late shift, since I'll probably be one of the last ones in anyhow)

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    Wow, the exact ride I used to do couple times a month up til a month ago. You can also go up a bit further to Tomales and Bodega Bay. Beautiful country.

    Good luck! I'll be thinking of you.

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    I've never done a brevet before, and I've also never been timed for a ride of x distance. This sounds intriguing ... I'm not sure why, but the timed thing is freaking me out about this one. I should be able to do 200k in 13.5 hours, but being timed ... just means I can't just enjoy it ...

    Am I worrying about it too much?
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    But Ron, all your double centuries were timed - you had to make it to the finish within the required time (was it 17 or 18 hours?) or you wouldn't have received credit towards the CA Triple Crown.

    For brevets, you likewise have to finish within the time limit. For a 200K, the time limit is 13.5 hours; for a 300K, the time limit is 20 hours. Doesn't matter if you finish 5 hours under the limit or 5 minutes under the limit. Either way, you've successfully completed the brevet.

    ( I don't remember what the time limits are for the longer brevets, since I doubt I'll ever do more than a 300K. )

    In case you haven't figured it out yet, you have a much longer time on a per mile basis to complete a brevet than a double century. So don't worry about that.

    But do bear in mind that brevets are essentially unsupported. There is usually water and maybe some food available at the checkpoints, but brevet checkpoints are spread much farther apart than the rest stops in a typical supported double century. It's up to you to carry your own food or be prepared to purchase it along the route, and carry whatever other stuff you might need (lights, raingear, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spingineer View Post
    Am I worrying about it too much?
    Yes! Basically, it works out to something like 9MPH. On the 400K and 600K, and certainly on the 1200K, maintaining a 9MPH pace is tougher than it sounds, especially if you like taking long sleep breaks or if you run into mechanical difficulties or other unexpected delays. (I.E., the clock never stops ticking.) But for the 200K and 300K, you typically have time to ride as leisurely as you like.

    And if you don't make a control, it doesn't really matter. You just don't get "credit" for the ride. But unless you're trying to qualify for a 1200K or earn a medal from the group in France that keeps tracks of all these sanctioned brevets worldwide, it doesn't matter. On last year's 600K, for example, I packed it in only 50 miles into the ride because it started raining and I didn't want to spend 12 - 18 hours riding in the rain again. (The 300K was a miserable, rain-drenched experience that I wasn't ready to repeat so quickly.)

    Also, both the 200K and the 300K routes are about as flat as you can get in Marin and the North Bay, comparable to the traditional Marin Century route.

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    One other thing to add about the self-supported aspect: I found that randonneurs tend to be a very helpful bunch. Especially on the longer rides, people look out for each other, stick together at night, offer moral support to keep going, etc.

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    Looks interesting.. never done a brev...<-- whatever the thingy is before.
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    *** BUMP ***

    I'm still on the fence on this.
    I'm in it to finish it.

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    Come do it Ron. It'll be fun.

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    I had hoped to be in shape to do this years 200k brevet, unfortunately, I'm not (sorry, the couch got the best of me )

    I may be able to pull off the permanent later in the year, but with the amount of climbing (unless they've changed the route since I've seen it last), is just too much for me.

    My helmet off for those who are giving it a go. Congrats no matter if you "finish" or "not".

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    I'll print out the form and send the app in the mail in the morning. It's pretty flat, right? At least it's not averaging 100 ft/mile.
    I'm in it to finish it.

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    I wouldn't call it flat. It's Marin after all. But there are no super long sustained climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spingineer View Post
    I'll print out the form and send the app in the mail in the morning. It's pretty flat, right? At least it's not averaging 100 ft/mile.
    Hey Ron, I have a great Idea! How about Saturday if I change the ride up a little. We'll go out Fairfax through Nicasio, to Point Reyes Station (Town, not the lighthouse) so you can get a feel of what the Brevet will be, and on the way back, make Mt. Tam an option. I personally would like to get some more miles in this weekend.
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    Ps Princess Zippy, what are you doing Sat.??

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    This sounds like an interesting ride. Another way to add in some miles would be to go out to the lighthouse and/or climb Mount Vision. I've only been up there once and it was cloudy.

    I'm a maybe. Would we pass any bakeries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessZippy View Post
    This sounds like an interesting ride. Another way to add in some miles would be to go out to the lighthouse and/or climb Mount Vision. I've only been up there once and it was cloudy.

    I'm a maybe. Would we pass any bakeries?

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    Pt. Reyes station has a bakery with your name on it! : )... I've never even heard of Mount Vision?, BTW it would be kind of fun to do a kind of wing it ride Saturday, if people are into it. I'm feeling really good, and the wife is giving me carte blanch and assuming my managerial duties for the whole day!!!! . YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!

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    Mount Vision is off to your left as you head out the road to the lighthouse. I haven't been out there since Jan. 2006.

    This was our view the day we rode it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessZippy View Post
    Mount Vision is off to your left as you head out the road to the lighthouse. I haven't been out there since Jan. 2006.

    This was our view the day we rode it.



    Veronica
    Oh yeah, I think that whole area burned up in a fire back in the 90's ? That's where Jesse Colin Young owns property and was inspired to right his hit song and album "Ridgetop"
    I'd love to do that ride.
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    Your ride this Saturday sounds great - count me in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxi777 View Post
    Hey Ron, I have a great Idea! How about Saturday if I change the ride up a little. We'll go out Fairfax through Nicasio, to Point Reyes Station (Town, not the lighthouse) so you can get a feel of what the Brevet will be, and on the way back, make Mt. Tam an option. I personally would like to get some more miles in this weekend.
    Pete
    Ps Princess Zippy, what are you doing Sat.??
    Sorry, haven't been able to log on all day. Yea, this sounds great. It gives me an opportunity to venture into areas that I haven't been to on a bike.
    I'm in it to finish it.

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    SFR 200K report (of sorts)

    The San Francisco Randonneurs 200K was interesting...

    The brevet route went thru the towns of San Anselmo and Fairfax. San Anselmo was badly flooded a couple of years ago, so when the SA Creek reached flood levels on Friday evening there were lots of TV news crews out documenting the pending destruction (as they are prone to do).

    Friday evening I was glued to the TV and looking up reports on the internet, and finally, way past what should have been my bedtime, I decided I really shouldn't be out in all that.

    Apparently many others were bailing out of the ride as well - our RBA sent us an email Friday evening asking those of us not planning to start to let him know via email.

    Back when I signed up for the brevet I assumed I would be one of the late finishers, so my husband volunteered to help with the late-shift check in at the finish, figuring he'd have to hang there anyways waiting for me. So I came along to help out too.

    Turns out, of the 86 registered riders, only 32 rode the brevet. Of those, 30 finished.

    Although everyone was prepared for a downpour, there was hardly any rain at all during the time the brevet was going on!! So much for the forecast of "90% chance of rain" - I guess that's what that 10% was for. People were joking about going out & buying lottery tickets. There were a few sprinkles early evening around 7 pm, but very light and only for a few minutes.

    While there was no rain, reports were that the wind was vicious heading out to the Pt. Reyes lighthouse - a few people were literally blown off the road. A portion of Sir Francis Drake Blvd was closed early on due to to flooding, causing many people to take a longer route via Bear Valley Rd to get around it. The majority of the riders finished after 5 pm (10 hrs) and we had several riders finish between 7-8 pm.

    The running joke is that the new RBA has an "in" with the weather gods. Although a new storm front was predicted to come in during the late afternoon, the heavens didn't open until around 9 pm after the brevet was well over.

    All in all, considering the severity of the wind, I'm glad I bailed. I don't do well in wind at all.

    Did anyone here actually ride the brevet? ConstantRider? SharpT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jobob View Post
    Did anyone here actually ride the brevet? ConstantRider? SharpT?
    Hi Jo,

    Yes, I rode it. I saw a woman working the check-in at the end that must have been you. I think you started checking in the riders just after we had checked in; myself, my brother, and another rider finished a little before 5 PM and were checked in by a guy wearing a Rivendell sweatshirt. If you're doing the 300K brevet, I'll be sure to introduce myself, now that I know who you are. (If you saw a guy with glasses and wearing a blue wool jersey, looking extremely fatigued, that was me...)

    Like you, I was watching the news reports late into the evening, especially the flood-watches. The route the SF brevets take is pretty much flood central; it goes through all the streets that typically flood in Ross, San Anselmo, and Fairfax. So that plus the heavy winds advisory was making me have doubts about doing the ride, even though the forecasters were saying there would be at least a few hours of no rain during the day.

    I live just a few miles from the bridge, though, so I didn't really have to make any decisions until the last minute. Around midnight or so, I decided that rain or shine, I would at least ride to the bridge for the start and make my final decision there.

    Well, we lucked out. The weather was, given what was predicted, great. On my ride to the Bridge, in fact, I realized I was way over-dressed. When I got there, I shed my wind-breaker and my heavy gloves, and probably could have gotten rid of my booties and additional clothing I was carrying in my saddlebag too.

    Crossing the bridge at the start, the sunrise was beautiful. I hadn't brought a camera because I didn't want to deal with it if was raining -- it would have been nice to get some shots of that sunrise though.

    Most of the roads were surprisingly dry. I thought there'd be a lot of debris on Sir Francis Drake in the section that goes through Samuel P. Taylor Park, but it wasn't bad. On the road to Inverness, some riders apparently got held up by a tow truck that was lifting a car that had gone off the road into a creek; we managed to get by that before they shut down traffic for a while.

    The last half-mile or so to the Lighthouse was pretty treacherous, especially on the return trip. At one point, I was blown from the far side of right lane to the middle of the left lane. Luckily the only approaching traffic at that time were cyclists. I talked to one rider who said he was blown off the road but managed to stay upright; I heard second-hand that some riders were actually knocked down off their bikes. It was the only time in the ride where I was grateful for the ten pounds I put on over the holidays! Getting blown around the way I was at a 190 lbs., I can only imagine what it was like for the lighter riders.

    The other adventure was the road into Point Reyes Station that was flooded. Taking the detour would have meant an extra six miles or so, and the water didn't seem that deep....so we decided to risk it. Turned out all right; my shoes got a little wet, but that's what I was wearing booties and three pairs of socks for. My brother, who had fallen behind us at that point, opted for doing the detour and was kicking himself when he'd heard that we just rode through it.

    About two miles from Marshall, a spoke in my rear wheel broke. Neither myself nor the PBP veteran I was riding with at that point had a spoke wrench -- a crucial randonneur error! Luckily, I was riding 36-spoke wheels, though. I undid the brake, bent the broken spoke around a couple of the non-broken ones, and while it made a bit of a racket, as things rattled and scraped, the wheel was still ridable. At the Marshall store, another rider who came in did have a spoke wrench, and we were able to get the broken spoke off completely. The wheel was still kind of wobbly, and I had to ride the last 50 miles with only one brake, but at least it wasn't making a huge amount of noise anymore.

    Riding with a compromised wheel and only one brake impacted me in two ways. First, I took all the remaining downhills very cautiously. And second, when we were riding through Ross, we were approaching a stop-sign where traditionally we come to more of a rolling stop than a full stop. Yesterday, however, a cop happened to be parked there. I put on the brakes at the last second, but one wasn't enough and I rolled through right in front of him. Luckily, he was engaged in what must have been an interesting conversation with a local resident, so he simply laughed at me and gave me a "What the hell are you thinking" gesture.

    So for me, at least, it wasn't just the weather gods working in my favor yesterday, but also the law enforcement gods. The rest of the ride went smoothly, but I was really tired and fairly dehydrated by the end. It wasn't so bad when I was riding, but it seemed like we hit every red light in Sausalito. And when I was stopped and just standing there waiting for the light to turn, the fatigue I was feeling would just sweep over me. It made me kind of wonder about the 300K -- I certainly didn't feel like I could do another 100K yesterday.

    But, there's a month to prepare. After we finished, we hung out a while at the Bridge to watch some of the other riders come in. When it started getting dark, I decided it was time to ride home; about a mile or so from my house, the rain eventually started to fall.But all in all, it was a good randonneuring day -- starting in the dark, ending in the dark, surviving a mechanical without too much inconvenience or time lost, and not getting too wet. Hopefully, the new RBA's in with the weather gods will continue for the 300K...

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    Wow, great report CR!

    Yep, you saw me there. My husband & I arrived a bit before 5, and I do remember soon after we arrived some guys talking about going thru the flooded part rather than riding around the detour.

    Apart from the few people I vaguely know, the rest of you were sort of a blur...

    I won't be ready for the 300K by next month, but I'll probably be working at a checkpoint. Hope to see you then.

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    I rode the 200k... unlike CR I was in the group that got stuck behind the tow truck winching the car out of the ditch. It was my 1st brevet, and first time to ride in Marin, so had some trouble finding my way through Fairfax and down to the bridge. Particularly due to some cue sheet errors. Left should have been right onto San Anselmo Ave.... and Clause Dr was 5 miles along SFD not 3.1. I think I am ready for the 300k, as I was quite rested after strolling into the finish.

    Nearly wrecked heading out to the lighthouse, as the wind would fluctuate from 0mph , to some much higher number and catch one off guard. Just made me work harder as I had to take it easy on the down hills, and then carefully climb the uphills.

    I rode through the flooded waters, and managed to coast it just right down the center of the road so my shoes didn't get wet. I didn't have a map, wasn't with anyone, so decided to give it a shot.

    Overall a great ride, and must have seen you at the finish.

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