Markleeville - Ebbet's and Monitor ride reports
We spent the weekend camping:eek: in Grover Hot Springs, right near Markleeville, so we could pre-ride the Death Ride passes and get familiar with riding at altitude. The weather was superb, topping out at about 75 each day, and not too windy. Ok, it was cold overnight. Here's my car loaded up with bikes and stuff:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0572.jpg The first day we rode Ebbets, front and back sides. Some pics: http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0583.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0584.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0588.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0595.jpg Yup, that's snow still on the top of some of the mountains. I don't think it will be there much longer. The ride is as scenic as ever. The climbing is tough - but the way Mt. Diablo is tough. There's not much that's really all that steep, but the climbs are very long. I did fine, other than my back acting up a bit (some vitamin I took care of that). On the 2nd day we did Monitor, and rode over to Woodfords (the base of the climb to Pickets, really part of the Carson pass climb) so we could experience the rollers on the way and get some experience in the wind (which really wasn't bad at all). Monitor is another of those 9 mile climbs - nothing too steep, but it is long. Some more pics: http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0610.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/IMG_0614.jpg The 2nd photo is down towards Nevada from the Mono County line sign. Absolutely beautiful - but very different than Ebbet's - not much in the way of trees or tree cover. The descent it a blast - I wasn't trying very hard and hit 54mph no problem. Didn't even need the brakes - the turns are wide and sweeping, the road is good and hardly any traffic. Cycling heaven! Great weekend - we sure are lucky to live in California! JB |
Thanks for the report. I will be at the Death Ride for the first time next month. I appreciate when you compare Ebbets to Mt. Diablo in diffculty. Ebbets is supposed to be the steepest climb of the ride, I didn't know what to expect.
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Nice photos! Looks like beautiful riding.
You mentioned the passes were similar to Mt. Diablo, which I haven't been on. Does your cycle computer give you the percent grade? I'm guessing the passes are mostly 6%, but it would be nice to confirm. |
I will be there in a month as well. Nice to see some photos and hear what you thought. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Owner
(Post 6851823)
Nice photos! Looks like beautiful riding.
You mentioned the passes were similar to Mt. Diablo, which I haven't been on. Does your cycle computer give you the percent grade? I'm guessing the passes are mostly 6%, but it would be nice to confirm. http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...m/elemaplg.jpg JB |
By the way, a couple of things I did note - when you get to the lake on the front side of Ebbets, it's maybe a mile to the top. Ebbets descent isn't bad - on a day when there's not a lot of traffic or other cyclists. It's only 1 lane wide, so on event day that could cause problems if people are cutting corners on the descent while others are still climbing. I've heard that more people crash on Ebbets than the whole rest of the ride put together. There are also a couple of cattle guards - one at the summit and one on the front side. The 2nd one is pretty well marked. Overall, the roads are in really good shape.
The backside of Ebbets doesn't look bad on the profile, but it felt steeper than the frontside (maybe because it's more consistently steep). It's about 5.5 miles long - the shortest pass of the day. The other thing is not to underestimate the climb back to Turtle Rock from Ebbets - it was about 700 feet of climbing, with a headwind. If you are close to the time cut-offs, this could take longer than expected. JB |
That is some seriously scenic stuff out there JB. Nice to get an opinion other then "OMG it was pure torture" I still want to do this ride, but don't have the legs for that distance yet.
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Originally Posted by jonathanb715
(Post 6852030)
By the way, a couple of things I did note - when you get to the lake on the front side of Ebbets, it's maybe a mile to the top. Ebbets descent isn't bad - on a day when there's not a lot of traffic or other cyclists. It's only 1 lane wide, so on event day that could cause problems.
Originally Posted by jonathanb715
(Post 6852030)
I've heard that more people crash on Ebbets than the whole rest of the ride put together. There are also a couple of cattle guards - one at the summit and one on the front side. The 2nd one is pretty well marked. Overall, the roads are in really good shape.
Originally Posted by jonathanb715
(Post 6852030)
The other thing is not to underestimate the climb back to Turtle Rock from Ebbets - it was about 700 feet of climbing, with a headwind. If you are close to the time cut-offs, this could take longer than expected. JB
BR |
One thing you didn't mention that interests me as a first time death rider this year. What does the elevation FEEL like? I remember trying to run a mile on a treadmill in Stateline, I thought I was going to die. But then, running is VERY cardio-limited for me and I'm just not a runner. I think it took me 2 minutes (almost 30% longer) than usual.
On the bike I tend not to feel out of breath too much, I just start feeling overexerted where my HR peaks out and my legs tire. So will my capacity be that much lower on the deathride? My thinking is that it'll require deeper breathing to keep the same amount of oxygen in my muscles, so my riding will be more cardio-limited than before. Or am I overthinking it? |
Originally Posted by reidconti
(Post 6852272)
One thing you didn't mention that interests me as a first time death rider this year. What does the elevation FEEL like? I remember trying to run a mile on a treadmill in Stateline, I thought I was going to die. But then, running is VERY cardio-limited for me and I'm just not a runner. I think it took me 2 minutes (almost 30% longer) than usual.
On the bike I tend not to feel out of breath too much, I just start feeling overexerted where my HR peaks out and my legs tire. So will my capacity be that much lower on the deathride? My thinking is that it'll require deeper breathing to keep the same amount of oxygen in my muscles, so my riding will be more cardio-limited than before. Or am I overthinking it? The standard advice for first time riders on this ride is to start slow and taper - at least until you're sure you've got the whole altitude thing figured out. The other thing I noticed is that it is very dry up there - I was drinking more fluids than I usually do, even though it wasn't hot. JB |
Originally Posted by BenRidin
(Post 6852184)
Just get in a pace line and cruise. Don't over do it. Remember, you still have about 1/3 of the ride left. Woodfords to Picketts Junction is a bear of a climb. Talk about headwinds, this is where the headwind is.
BR JB |
Originally Posted by reidconti
(Post 6852272)
One thing you didn't mention that interests me as a first time death rider this year. What does the elevation FEEL like? I remember trying to run a mile on a treadmill in Stateline, I thought I was going to die. But then, running is VERY cardio-limited for me and I'm just not a runner. I think it took me 2 minutes (almost 30% longer) than usual.
On the bike I tend not to feel out of breath too much, I just start feeling overexerted where my HR peaks out and my legs tire. So will my capacity be that much lower on the deathride? My thinking is that it'll require deeper breathing to keep the same amount of oxygen in my muscles, so my riding will be more cardio-limited than before. Or am I overthinking it? |
The ascending riders on Ebbets 1 (first time up Ebbets, east side) usually keep to their half of the road.... except for the idiots who decide to stop for a rest and go for a shady spot on the wrong side of the road. And then don't look up the road for descending riders when they start up again. One of those almost took me out last year.
There's also been at least one vehicle on Ebbets 1 each time I have gone down it in the DR the last three years. The road's closed but people come up the night before to camp, ignoring the signs saying that the road's going to be closed, and then try to drive out through the ride. The east side of Ebbets is my favorite descent but due to the above I can't go all out on it during the death ride. The hard part of Ebbets 1 is overall a little harder than Diablo, but it's only 1800 feet. There's a long gradual runup to it which is also a climb but isn't very steep. The difference between it and the steep upper half is more noticeable on the bike than it is on the published elevation profile. When you hit the part marked 10% on the profile you're starting the real climb. The steepest climbing on the whole ride is near the top of Ebbets 1. Here's my blog post from last years Death Ride: http://ericm.lne.com/blog/?p=78 |
Originally Posted by reidconti
(Post 6852272)
One thing you didn't mention that interests me as a first time death rider this year. What does the elevation FEEL like? I remember trying to run a mile on a treadmill in Stateline, I thought I was going to die. But then, running is VERY cardio-limited for me and I'm just not a runner. I think it took me 2 minutes (almost 30% longer) than usual.
On the bike I tend not to feel out of breath too much, I just start feeling overexerted where my HR peaks out and my legs tire. So will my capacity be that much lower on the deathride? My thinking is that it'll require deeper breathing to keep the same amount of oxygen in my muscles, so my riding will be more cardio-limited than before. Or am I overthinking it? |
jonathan - what vitamins did/do you take for your back? I've been two weeks off the bike and am getting lower back pains again when I ride...
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I've been riding with a big camelback and (on long rides) 2 water bottles. I was considering trying to drop the weight off my back for comfort's sake, but we'll see.. if it's hot, I'm not sure 2 bottles is gonna do it, even if I can refill at the top of each pass.. I like to stay well-hydrated.
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Originally Posted by humboldt'sroads
(Post 6854881)
jonathan - what vitamins did/do you take for your back? I've been two weeks off the bike and am getting lower back pains again when I ride...
I have back problems, but stretching and core workouts usually keep it under control. I think it flared up as a result of camping - I used a thermarest, but I think I'm going to spring for an air mattress next time I go camping. JB |
Originally Posted by reidconti
(Post 6854900)
I've been riding with a big camelback and (on long rides) 2 water bottles. I was considering trying to drop the weight off my back for comfort's sake, but we'll see.. if it's hot, I'm not sure 2 bottles is gonna do it, even if I can refill at the top of each pass.. I like to stay well-hydrated.
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Originally Posted by reidconti
(Post 6854900)
I've been riding with a big camelback and (on long rides) 2 water bottles. I was considering trying to drop the weight off my back for comfort's sake, but we'll see.. if it's hot, I'm not sure 2 bottles is gonna do it, even if I can refill at the top of each pass.. I like to stay well-hydrated.
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Very nice photos - you should upload them to Gooooogle Earth - hardly any there... you'd be doing the bike world a big favor. Actually there aren't many of Diablo either, I need to get busy.
So how much humiliation would a guy have to endure if he bailed out after four passes? (not speaking about Team in Training riders who have a moral obligation to do the full Monte). |
Originally Posted by DiabloScott
(Post 6856654)
So how much humiliation would a guy have to endure if he bailed out after four passes?
Step 2: Turn around as if you're looking for a lost friend Step 3: Arrive at your car from the Carson direction Avoid humiliation! |
Originally Posted by DiabloScott
(Post 6856654)
So how much humiliation would a guy have to endure if he bailed out after four passes?
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
(Post 6856654)
Very nice photos - you should upload them to Gooooogle Earth - hardly any there... you'd be doing the bike world a big favor. Actually there aren't many of Diablo either, I need to get busy.
So how much humiliation would a guy have to endure if he bailed out after four passes? (not speaking about Team in Training riders who have a moral obligation to do the full Monte). If I had to guess, I'd say at least a third of the riders don't do all 5 passes for a variety of reasons. Some of us simply won't make the time cutoffs (yes, I'm still slow enough that that will be a very real risk). Lots of people just go up, stash some supplies in the bushes by the side of the road at a few spots and do the ride on a different day. Thanks for the comments on the pics - I used the time tested method of just snapping lots of times, hoping a few would come out. I took 50 - the pics above are the only decent ones. JB |
Originally Posted by jonathanb715
(Post 6858220)
Some of us simply won't make the time cutoffs (yes, I'm still slow enough that that will be a very real risk).
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
(Post 6856654)
So how much humiliation would a guy have to endure if he bailed out after four passes? (not speaking about Team in Training riders who have a moral obligation to do the full Monte).
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