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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHen View Post
    If we had a proper justice system, this young man would be on trial for murder, with his parents facing accessory charges. The world's a slightly worse and needlessly dangerous place every day the killer spends outside of jail.
    A proper justice system is not rushed. He hasn't yet been charged. Besides, if this is what it looks like, it's pretty much the definition of vehicular manslaughter, like the initial arrest charge.

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    Breathtakingly tragic and sick!

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    One of the shocking reports I heard about this was from KGO's news anchor at around 2pm today spinning this as one more example that "bikes and cars on the streets don't mix"... Can anyone rationalize such a stupid statement? "News" has become just more toxic talk radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
    One of the shocking reports I heard about this was from KGO's news anchor at around 2pm today spinning this as one more example that "bikes and cars on the streets don't mix"... Can anyone rationalize such a stupid statement? "News" has become just more toxic talk radio.
    Wow. The cyclists weren't even on the street. If they were on foot they still would have been hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCool View Post
    Wow. The cyclists weren't even on the street. If they were on foot they still would have been hit.
    Yeah, apparently cars and fire hydrants don't mix well either, or cars and office buildings; but did they comment on that?
    Or cars and other cars for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danec99 View Post
    That is exactly what I want my teenager to drive in, and he did. You want your child in a "tank". The issue would be their actions once behind that wheel. Looking at the damage on that car it is clear the driver did something extremely foolish - something he will live with the rest of his life. The issue is reckless driving and possibly distracted driven, combined with excessive speed. Really horrible, Senseless and Sad.
    Giving a teenager a mini tank to drive provides them with a false sense of security and safety. And it also grants them an inflated sense of entitlement, and results in them growing up as entitled adults who feel like they own the road.

    This is the LAST thing I want my daughter to drive when she's a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idoru2005 View Post
    Giving a teenager a mini tank to drive provides them with a false sense of security and safety. And it also grants them an inflated sense of entitlement, and results in them growing up as entitled adults who feel like they own the road.

    This is the LAST thing I want my daughter to drive when she's a teenager.
    I think that's a little harsh and inaccurate. My 17 yr olds drove a big Dodge Ram and a VW bus, neither was unsafe or "entltled". Frankly, what I didn't want them driving was a little pocket rocket, seems to me that's asking for trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    Local newsblogger reports the kid was definitely speeding, and recently flunked some kind of drug test. Check out the damage to the building he hit. I hope his parents have a big house and a lot of money to forfeit for their bad decision of letting their son drive that tank.

    Agreed.

    What a little ****.

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    Everyone should be required to drive a 30 year old POS vehicle until the age of 30. Builds character.
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    The 17-year-old suspect who police say was responsible for the double-fatal collision on April 7th in Concord, was apparently cited for narcotics & weapons violations by the Walnut Creek Police just one week before the tragic crash.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    The 17-year-old suspect who police say was responsible for the double-fatal collision on April 7th in Concord, was apparently cited for narcotics & weapons violations by the Walnut Creek Police just one week before the tragic crash.


    That explains the comments of family and friends on Facebook. Gang banger.
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    I've resisted the FB approach and am now glad of it.

    Hope they lock him up for years, and years, and years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    That explains the comments of family and friends on Facebook. Gang banger.
    or a wannabe gang banger. I am thinking latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    I've resisted the FB approach and am now glad of it.

    Hope they lock him up for years, and years, and years.
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    Yeah kids like this from families that can afford to give him an Escalade typically get less than a slap on the wrist for murder. Heck, I was at UCSB when that TV-show producer's son killed 4 kids by running them over and smearing them into a parked car. And he kepted on going and dragging a couple of them under the car for a couple blocks. He got no jail time and was sentenced to drug-rehab.

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    Vehicular manslaughter charges recommended: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_208064...arges-teen-who

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCool View Post
    Vehicular manslaughter charges recommended: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_208064...arges-teen-who
    From the article, "Vehicular manslaughter can carry a sentence of up to 10 years in prison." Are the life of a father, a young girl, and a shattered family really only worth this little? What has our society come to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by volosong View Post
    From the article, "Vehicular manslaughter can carry a sentence of up to 10 years in prison." Are the life of a father, a young girl, and a shattered family really only worth this little? What has our society come to?
    As awful as this was... ten years in state pen doesn't sound like a light sentence. Hopefully he gets the max.

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    Wonder how the narcotics and weapons charges file against this waste of skin bt WC will handled. Obviously, if this cretin is convicted on all counts, I'd hope the sentences would have to be served consecutively, as opposed to concurrently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volosong View Post
    From the article, "Vehicular manslaughter can carry a sentence of up to 10 years in prison." Are the life of a father, a young girl, and a shattered family really only worth this little? What has our society come to?
    Is that 10 years per life he extinguished, or does he get a 2-fer-1? Sorry to sound rude, but crap like this pisses me off. 10 years to kill a child and ruin a family's life does NOT sound like enough IMO. It's NOT an accident when you make the decisions he did leading up to that crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
    One of the shocking reports I heard about this was from KGO's news anchor at around 2pm today spinning this as one more example that "bikes and cars on the streets don't mix"... Can anyone rationalize such a stupid statement? "News" has become just more toxic talk radio.
    The news doesn't care about facts, only sensationalism, so they can sell more advertising space!

    If this was truly just a horrible accident, then the sentence will correspond to that, but that's only the criminal side. It's the civil side where he will really get fanged once he is sued. If he was intoxicated, then it will be felony vehicular manslaughter, so he will also have a felony on his record for life, and it's one count per injured person, so two counts of felony DUI here. The problem with DUI related accidents is that just about everybody drinks alcohol, and these same people also drive, sometimes after having had a drink or two, so they don't want to set a precedence where they could possibly be sent to prison for a long time, so 10 years is where they figured they've screwed up with your life long enough. Judges and lawyers have done more harm to this country than any other group of people!
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    Relatives have created an on-line petition to the DA to fully prosecute the driver.

    PETITION


    Probably has the same legal effect as writing a letter to the DA... none. Just a way of letting him know this case will stay in the public eye and the DA will be evaluated on how he handles it come election day.
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    I sure hope the family goes after him (and his parents) in a civil suit.

    One would hope previous arrests/convictions are taken into account when he gets sentenced and he gets the full hammer.
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    worst I've heard of since becoming a BF member and I've read all the fatal reports posted. I'm always looking to keep myself and my family safe. this is the most hrific and most senseless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    Relatives have created an on-line petition to the DA to fully prosecute the driver.

    PETITION
    What the heck? When did this happen:
    Atop of only receiving minor charges and maybe only a year in county jail,

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCool View Post
    What the heck? When did this happen:

    I didn't read this for sure, but I think they charged him with something there was little doubt of, so they could keep him in jail, while they take their time deciding on what bigger charges they can press.
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