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Old 06-13-13, 02:40 PM   #26
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I see WAY more cyclists with headphones than drivers. My wife is a chronic abuser of this law. I keep trying to tell her that hearing the cars coming up behind you is a good thing, but apparently it's not as good as listening to "Roll to Me" for the thousandth time.
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Old 06-13-13, 03:24 PM   #27
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LOL was waiting for someone to post this . Just saw it a few weeks ago...wonder why the random "headphones" warning? Is that a problem up there? It's already illegal to drive with headphones, why this random warning had to be on this sign is odd.
1. Yes, I've seen rangers stop folks and lecture them about earbuds.
2. I also suspect the sign is intended to indicate that safety is a two-way street. One warning for the cars, one warning for the bikes... maybe they thought it'd make the message go over better.
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Old 06-13-13, 03:33 PM   #28
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Headphones:
I'm an audiobook listener, and I bike commute almost an hour and a half a day. Mostly I'm away from cars, but stil...
My sweet wife didn't want me wearing headphones, so she got me a "Onegood".
http://farendgear.com/xdu/

It's stereo in one earpiece. I leave my traffic side ear open so I"M LEGAL on Diablo.

If you want earphones, I'd recommend going this route.


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Old 06-13-13, 03:46 PM   #29
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Thanks for the idea, cccorlew. Going to look into it for my wife.

Proof that you don't have to JUST worry about them hitting you : http://www.facebook.com/willowglenre...75422802480780
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Terrible accident. But I worry about a freak accident like that less than I worry about carbon assploding.

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Old 06-13-13, 04:11 PM   #31
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...carbon assploding...
I'm assuming this involves a carbon seat post and poorly tightened bolts on the seat...
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In the wrong place, wrong time category.
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Old 06-13-13, 06:30 PM   #33
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The collision occurred one block west of another fatal collision involving a bicyclist. A man was hit by a light-rail train Saturday after he reportedly bypassed a lowered crossing arm near Sunol Street.

OK, I'm having trouble sympathizing with this one.
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Old 06-13-13, 07:30 PM   #34
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i ride suburban roads after school starts to avoid the traffic. best if posted speed limit is less than 30. no two lane roads with no bike lane and posted speeds of greater than 35. ride alone or one other person max. mt diablo during the week only.

IOW, low speed, low traffic, follow traffic laws. and keep YOUR speed low too. get a heavier bike if you have to.

i don't always follow this advice, but i know i should and respect those who do.

safest routes are like the carquinez scenic drive POS road. safe as can be, just watch out for the pot holes.
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Old 06-13-13, 07:37 PM   #35
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Finally I would like to point out that we hear of people getting killed in car accidents all the time and we don't even think about not driving.
This. Approximately 100 people are killed on American roads every single day. That would be about five people per day in NorCal. Anyone seeing these deaths? Add in the fact that in spite of the padding built into today's cages, over 6000 Americans are injured enough to require treatment per day by those same motorists, which would be something like 250 per day in NorCal. We, and our press, tend to gloss over these dog-bites-man stories in favor of the man-bites-dog rarities of cyclists being killed. This is especially true if the cyclist isn't a drunk salmon ninja (unlighted wrong-way rider at night). I suspect most of the 800 cyclist deaths per year fall into that category of rider.

After a ridiculous number of miles in the saddle over the decades, I get it that motorists present a hazard. However, they are more annoying than dangerous. Let's not let these folks drive us away from a beautiful activity. Self-interest disclosure: If there's safety in numbers, I need every cyclist I can get out there.
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I see WAY more cyclists with headphones than drivers.
Reminds me of the quote from Anatole France: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread." Of course there aren't many car drivers using headphones since they can more conveniently drown out traffic and other sounds simply by rolling up the windows and turning on the CD/MP3/radio speakers. Based on the number of cars I see with drivers that are oblivious to the emergency vehicle behind them with sirens blaring, this is every bit as effective at blocking exterior sounds as headphones worn by joggers and cyclists with the volume turned up.
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LOL was waiting for someone to post this . Just saw it a few weeks ago...wonder why the random "headphones" warning? Is that a problem up there? It's already illegal to drive with headphones, why this random warning had to be on this sign is odd.
I guess the headphones notice is for cyclists
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Old 06-14-13, 09:04 AM   #38
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Cyclist that wear ear buds are idiots.
Period.
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Old 06-14-13, 09:24 AM   #39
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1. Yes, I've seen rangers stop folks and lecture them about earbuds.
2. I also suspect the sign is intended to indicate that safety is a two-way street. One warning for the cars, one warning for the bikes... maybe they thought it'd make the message go over better.
Didn't mean "why is the sign there?" Was wondering mostly about the headphones aspect of the sign, but I guess I can see that, especially if a cyclist has earbuds in. But safety is definitely a two way street, I was coming down SG last night and a spread-out group was coming up. More than one time there were riders coming up in MY lane. It was as scary as when I see a car coming over the centerline in blind curve. The guys who ride up the SG side seem to be more aggressive for some reason. Maybe they are informally racing or something but I run into more rider problems on that side, and more car problems on NG.
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Old 06-14-13, 10:53 AM   #40
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The collision occurred one block west of another fatal collision involving a bicyclist. A man was hit by a light-rail train Saturday after he reportedly bypassed a lowered crossing arm near Sunol Street.

OK, I'm having trouble sympathizing with this one.
Want another fatal collision involving a bicyclist this month that I think you'll have trouble sympathizing with? How about this Berkeley bicycle fatality? http://www.berkeleyside.com/2013/06/...0-in-berkeley/

Yeah, my mom always told me never to play on the freeway (except when she was really pissed and said, "Hey, why don't you go play on the freeway?"), but she never said anything about not trying to cross the freeway on my bike. In the dark? With a nice, lovely pedestrian overcrossing almost right overhead? Ok, ok, it is suicidal even in the daylight and whether or not there is a pedestrian overcrossing in plain view. This one is so bad, there had to be SOME mental issues involved, perhaps we should sympathize.

For some reason, it struck me as wrong when I turn on the morning news to check the weather, and I see the graphic headline, "Bicyclist Killed." I'm turning on my "Is this one that could have happened to me?" radar, and then they actually tell the story. He was trying to cross I-80 in Berkeley in the dark on a bicycle? Am I a snob because I have trouble thinking of this person as a bicyclist? A "Mentally Disturbed Person Killed" graphic followed by the story would get me sympathizing, whereas "Bicyclist killed" gets me thinking, "That's no bicyclist, that's a moron, a Darwin Award candidate." I shouldn't let the TV news choice of graphic (or the Berkeleyside choice of headline) affect whether I am sympathetic.
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Old 06-15-13, 12:03 AM   #41
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Old 06-15-13, 01:21 AM   #42
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If I don't bike and I'm convinced my heart will get flabby (and I know my bad cholesterol will go up). If it was true if I just swam at the Y for exercise I'd live to 175, I might decide the risks of biking are too much. Obviously that isn't the case. My mom developed dementia in her early 70s and that has to a degree obsessed me (Why did it happen? Is it my destiny also?). I see articles like one in NYT stating that new theory is that regularly aerating one's brain might be key to staving off memory loss and I'm off the sofa and riding up Montebello.

I do feel more anxiety now before rides than when I was young, but if I genuflect on bad stuff that can happen too much I will get morbid, which isn't really a very useful response. At any rate, the pre-ride anxiety usually melts away as soon as I start riding.

I accept the risks for myself because I feel the benefits outweigh them still. However I'm now trying to avoid situations now where I would be very vulnerable in an emergency situation (like riding 40 mph by the Savannah Chanel Winery entrance where a left turning truck almost took me out four years ago).

I'm not very fast anymore and have limited endurance now days and can't come close to matching what some of the people in this forum do. However it's important for me mentally and physically to get out and ride. If I had to quit for some reason, I'd miss it terribly--many of my favorite memories involve bike rides.
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Old 06-15-13, 07:08 AM   #43
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If I quit cycling I'd go back to motorcycle racing or rock climbing.
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@ the OP, I feel your pain.....when I lived for four or five years up in rural Amador county, I stopped
riding roads altogether, but there were still quite a few trails and tracks and fire roads suitable for MTB's.

It was not until we moved back to Sacratomato that i started back on streets and roads, because of
the availability of slower local streets and our swell American Rive Bike Trail.

If I had to move back to a rural area in California, I think I'd probably quit again........just too many yahoos.
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Old 06-16-13, 02:09 AM   #46
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People die in cars but we still drive cars. What can you do. Trust in God or whatever belief you have and keep riding. Be as reasonably safe as you can...if that means avoiding certain roads so be it. I think that is all you can do.
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My nephew died on his bike near Riverbank this spring, he was 18 years old.
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My nephew died on his bike near Riverbank this spring, he was 18 years old.
What a tragic situation - so sorry for your loss.
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My nephew died on his bike near Riverbank this spring, he was 18 years old.
Tragic, but what is the point of your post? I think most of us know someone who died on a bike.
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