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    Tech CEO on bike arrested in Marin road rage beating

    What do you think of this story? Tech CEO riding a bicycle is hit by a truck in Mill Valley (Marin County). He then pulls the driver out out of the truck and beats him unconscious. The incident apparently happened last week and since then the driver has been released from the hospital and the bicyclist has been released from jail. News report in today's Chronicle: Tech CEO on bike arrested in Marin road rage beating - SFGate

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    Was it a act of aggression of the driver towards the cyclist? it's unclear. If so, then, well, perhaps not "road rage" by the cyclist but deserved punishment for the driver by assault with a deadly weapon (car/truck)

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    The attack occurred at about 5 p.m. at the busy intersection of East Blithedale Avenue and Camino Alto, police said, adding that Smock and the motorist were at odds over whether the truck's mirror had struck Smock's bike as both men traveled along East Blithedale.

    An altercation ensued, and Smock "inflicted such severe injuries on the driver of the vehicle that the driver ended up being transported to the hospital,"
    Investigators have not yet forwarded their case to the Marin County district attorney's office, which will decide whether to charge Smock, Dunkel said. He did not identify the weapon police believe was used in the alleged beating.
    Assuming this is an accurate account of things, it seemed like Jeffrey Smock (the cyclist) beat someone senseless with...maybe a bike pump?...over an argument about whether some guy bumped him with his rear view mirror. Before reading the article, I imagined a cyclist getting run over, and in an adrenaline-fueled reaction, beat the guy who did it. Now this sounds to me more like a plain old everyday bar fight played out on the road. Basically two people who couldn't let it go when they probably should have.
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    I'd love to hear how this played out. I suspect that someone came too close, digits were exchanged, then words, then some dumb ass decided to get out of his truck and it was game on. It could easily have been me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
    Assuming this is an accurate account of things, it seemed like Jeffrey Smock (the cyclist) beat someone senseless with...maybe a bike pump?...over an argument about whether some guy bumped him with his rear view mirror. Before reading the article, I imagined a cyclist getting run over, and in an adrenaline-fueled reaction, beat the guy who did it. Now this sounds to me more like a plain old everyday bar fight played out on the road. Basically two people who couldn't let it go when they probably should have.
    There's really no such thing as a minor "bump" by any part of a motor vehicle. While it doesn't always meet the legal definition, it's going to be perceived as assault with intent to maim/kill by the person who is struck. Any motorist who responds to an aggrieved cyclist whom he has just walloped by claiming it never happened is just asking for equal treatment.

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    What ever the actual situation that precipitated the event, it is apparent that Mr. Smock went overboard and didn't know when to stop his anger laced beating of the motorist. The courts might see it as mutual combat. However, in civilized society, you've got to know when to pull back. We cannot act like mad dogs, even when we feel the rage to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubic View Post
    What ever the actual situation that precipitated the event, it is apparent that Mr. Smock went overboard and didn't know when to stop his anger laced beating of the motorist. The courts might see it as mutual combat. However, in civilized society, you've got to know when to pull back. We cannot act like mad dogs, even when we feel the rage to do so.
    perhaps the characterization of Mr Smock as a "mad dog" is premature. IMHO, when someone feels so little regard for you as a fellow human being that they're willing to kill you with an automobile...all bets are off. Its been years, but one afternoon on the way back to my office from my lunchtime ride in mtn. view, some arsehole in a red M3 tried to run me up onto the sidewalk. Things happened that he didn't anticipate. Now I doubt that I improved his attitude towards cyclists, but I pretty much guarantee that to this day he's a bit wary about confronting a cyclist.

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    I'll wait for more info. To me whoever initiated the violence after the traffic incident is what matters. If it was the cyclist then he deserves punishment. If it was the driver guess he got his punishment.
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    Show me just one law that says that a person has a right to exercise their judgement or common sense, just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick94804 View Post
    perhaps the characterization of Mr Smock as a "mad dog" is premature. IMHO, when someone feels so little regard for you as a fellow human being that they're willing to kill you with an automobile...all bets are off. Its been years, but one afternoon on the way back to my office from my lunchtime ride in mtn. view, some arsehole in a red M3 tried to run me up onto the sidewalk. Things happened that he didn't anticipate. Now I doubt that I improved his attitude towards cyclists, but I pretty much guarantee that to this day he's a bit wary about confronting a cyclist.
    I appreciate your well thought out comments. Over the years, I have, as most of us cyclists, been threatened by motorists. Thoughts have gone through my mind that would make for a good movie scene, horrible and violent. However, I have never acted on those thoughts. And neither should have Mr. Smock. Committing violence on somebody to show that violence is wrong is just so...wrong. Is the 'turn the other cheek' statement obsolete?

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    Some crazy comments here.

    Mr Smock has been charged with felony assault. He was released on bail, ...and now he needs a good attorney. Maybe he should consider selling his bike.

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    Is there more to this story? Witness reports say the truck driver was drunk when he hit the bicyclist with his truck. The driver and his drunk passenger then get out of the truck and started a fist fight, which they lost. The truck driver failed a DUI blood test in the hospital. Cyclelicious Bike vs car: The rest of the story

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    This, ^^^^

    Plus, beat up a guy while wearing road shoes? Wow. I know I'm a duck on ice in mine. How drunk were those guys?
    I hope we can get decent followups, better than the Chronicle's crappy reporting job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    ...The driver and his drunk passenger then get out of the truck and started a fist fight, which they lost. The truck driver failed a DUI blood test in the hospital. Cyclelicious Bike vs car: The rest of the story
    And THAT'S the rest of the story. Nice one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenRidin View Post
    And THAT'S the rest of the story. Nice one.
    No kidding. Details still lacking.

    Unless the cyclist pulled the guy out of his car I tend towards siding with him. He went a bit overboard. But he was also hit, then approached by two drunk dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cccorlew View Post
    This, ^^^^

    Plus, beat up a guy while wearing road shoes? Wow. I know I'm a duck on ice in mine. How drunk were those guys?
    I hope we can get decent followups, better than the Chronicle's crappy reporting job.
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    You could take a cue from the Taiwanese legislature...
    Quote Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
    If I ever got in a fight on pavement wearing my Speedplay cleats I'd be close to helpless.
    Last edited by ricebowl; 04-28-14 at 06:09 PM.
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    Show me just one law that says that a person has a right to exercise their judgement or common sense, just one.

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    The Chronicle and other press stories immediately following the incident were all apparently written using the Mill Valley P.D. narrative as source material. The narrative conveniently neglected to mention that the pickup driver and his passenger were drunk and assaulted Jeffrey Smock.

    Defending oneself when being assaulted by two belligerent drunks is hardly 'road rage'...
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    From another forum:

    I know Jeff Smock - we rode together in Atlanta for a number of years. He's an intense, high-achieving guy, but I saw no indications that he was capable of this type of behavior.

    A friend of mine spoke with him and here's his brief report slightly edited for clarity:

    The guy hit Smock with his rearview mirror. He didn't stop. Smock chased him down. The guy got out of the car and attacked Smock. There are supposedly witnesses that saw this. Once the guy came out Smock wrestled him to the ground and the guy hit his head. Smock then got a few shots in. Not exactly great reporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    From another forum:

    I know Jeff Smock - we rode together in Atlanta for a number of years. He's an intense, high-achieving guy, but I saw no indications that he was capable of this type of behavior.

    A friend of mine spoke with him and here's his brief report slightly edited for clarity:

    The guy hit Smock with his rearview mirror. He didn't stop. Smock chased him down. The guy got out of the car and attacked Smock. There are supposedly witnesses that saw this. Once the guy came out Smock wrestled him to the ground and the guy hit his head. Smock then got a few shots in. Not exactly great reporting.
    That sequence there could be problematic.

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