Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > > >

Northern California Northern California

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-25-14, 07:11 PM   #1
johnny99
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Northern California
Bikes:
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Tech CEO on bike arrested in Marin road rage beating

What do you think of this story? Tech CEO riding a bicycle is hit by a truck in Mill Valley (Marin County). He then pulls the driver out out of the truck and beats him unconscious. The incident apparently happened last week and since then the driver has been released from the hospital and the bicyclist has been released from jail. News report in today's Chronicle: Tech CEO on bike arrested in Marin road rage beating - SFGate
johnny99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-14, 09:41 PM   #2
knotty
Lost in Nostalgia
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Fog City
Bikes:
Posts: 651
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Was it a act of aggression of the driver towards the cyclist? it's unclear. If so, then, well, perhaps not "road rage" by the cyclist but deserved punishment for the driver by assault with a deadly weapon (car/truck)
knotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-14, 10:09 PM   #3
Cyclosaurus
Senior Member
 
Cyclosaurus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago Western 'burbs
Bikes: 1993 NOS Mt Shasta Tempest, Motobecane Fantom Cross CX, Dahon Speed D7, Dahon Vector P8, Bullitt Superfly
Posts: 1,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
The attack occurred at about 5 p.m. at the busy intersection of East Blithedale Avenue and Camino Alto, police said, adding that Smock and the motorist were at odds over whether the truck's mirror had struck Smock's bike as both men traveled along East Blithedale.

An altercation ensued, and Smock "inflicted such severe injuries on the driver of the vehicle that the driver ended up being transported to the hospital,"
Quote:
Investigators have not yet forwarded their case to the Marin County district attorney's office, which will decide whether to charge Smock, Dunkel said. He did not identify the weapon police believe was used in the alleged beating.
Assuming this is an accurate account of things, it seemed like Jeffrey Smock (the cyclist) beat someone senseless with...maybe a bike pump?...over an argument about whether some guy bumped him with his rear view mirror. Before reading the article, I imagined a cyclist getting run over, and in an adrenaline-fueled reaction, beat the guy who did it. Now this sounds to me more like a plain old everyday bar fight played out on the road. Basically two people who couldn't let it go when they probably should have.
Cyclosaurus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-14, 12:09 AM   #4
Nick94804
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: A quiet place devoid of nazis telling me how I may express myself
Bikes: An ultra heavily moderated custom Merlin.
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'd love to hear how this played out. I suspect that someone came too close, digits were exchanged, then words, then some dumb ass decided to get out of his truck and it was game on. It could easily have been me.
Nick94804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-14, 12:38 AM   #5
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Bikes:
Posts: 6,302
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 86 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
Assuming this is an accurate account of things, it seemed like Jeffrey Smock (the cyclist) beat someone senseless with...maybe a bike pump?...over an argument about whether some guy bumped him with his rear view mirror. Before reading the article, I imagined a cyclist getting run over, and in an adrenaline-fueled reaction, beat the guy who did it. Now this sounds to me more like a plain old everyday bar fight played out on the road. Basically two people who couldn't let it go when they probably should have.
There's really no such thing as a minor "bump" by any part of a motor vehicle. While it doesn't always meet the legal definition, it's going to be perceived as assault with intent to maim/kill by the person who is struck. Any motorist who responds to an aggrieved cyclist whom he has just walloped by claiming it never happened is just asking for equal treatment.
B. Carfree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-14, 03:00 PM   #6
rubic
Slogging along
 
rubic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Fernando Valley, SoCal
Bikes: Cannondale Synapse '06, Mongoose titanium road bike '00--my commuter. Yes, Mongoose once made a decent ti road bike.
Posts: 1,148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What ever the actual situation that precipitated the event, it is apparent that Mr. Smock went overboard and didn't know when to stop his anger laced beating of the motorist. The courts might see it as mutual combat. However, in civilized society, you've got to know when to pull back. We cannot act like mad dogs, even when we feel the rage to do so.

Last edited by rubic; 04-26-14 at 03:07 PM.
rubic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-14, 12:23 AM   #7
Nick94804
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: A quiet place devoid of nazis telling me how I may express myself
Bikes: An ultra heavily moderated custom Merlin.
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubic View Post
What ever the actual situation that precipitated the event, it is apparent that Mr. Smock went overboard and didn't know when to stop his anger laced beating of the motorist. The courts might see it as mutual combat. However, in civilized society, you've got to know when to pull back. We cannot act like mad dogs, even when we feel the rage to do so.
perhaps the characterization of Mr Smock as a "mad dog" is premature. IMHO, when someone feels so little regard for you as a fellow human being that they're willing to kill you with an automobile...all bets are off. Its been years, but one afternoon on the way back to my office from my lunchtime ride in mtn. view, some arsehole in a red M3 tried to run me up onto the sidewalk. Things happened that he didn't anticipate. Now I doubt that I improved his attitude towards cyclists, but I pretty much guarantee that to this day he's a bit wary about confronting a cyclist.
Nick94804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-14, 08:58 AM   #8
ricebowl
Bourbon junkie
 
ricebowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NorCal
Bikes:
Posts: 713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'll wait for more info. To me whoever initiated the violence after the traffic incident is what matters. If it was the cyclist then he deserves punishment. If it was the driver guess he got his punishment.

Last edited by ricebowl; 04-28-14 at 03:53 PM.
ricebowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-14, 03:48 PM   #9
rubic
Slogging along
 
rubic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Fernando Valley, SoCal
Bikes: Cannondale Synapse '06, Mongoose titanium road bike '00--my commuter. Yes, Mongoose once made a decent ti road bike.
Posts: 1,148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick94804 View Post
perhaps the characterization of Mr Smock as a "mad dog" is premature. IMHO, when someone feels so little regard for you as a fellow human being that they're willing to kill you with an automobile...all bets are off. Its been years, but one afternoon on the way back to my office from my lunchtime ride in mtn. view, some arsehole in a red M3 tried to run me up onto the sidewalk. Things happened that he didn't anticipate. Now I doubt that I improved his attitude towards cyclists, but I pretty much guarantee that to this day he's a bit wary about confronting a cyclist.
I appreciate your well thought out comments. Over the years, I have, as most of us cyclists, been threatened by motorists. Thoughts have gone through my mind that would make for a good movie scene, horrible and violent. However, I have never acted on those thoughts. And neither should have Mr. Smock. Committing violence on somebody to show that violence is wrong is just so...wrong. Is the 'turn the other cheek' statement obsolete?
rubic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-14, 04:53 PM   #10
FrenchFit 
The Left Coast, USA
 
FrenchFit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 3,053
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Some crazy comments here.

Mr Smock has been charged with felony assault. He was released on bail, ...and now he needs a good attorney. Maybe he should consider selling his bike.
FrenchFit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 11:12 AM   #11
johnny99
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Northern California
Bikes:
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Is there more to this story? Witness reports say the truck driver was drunk when he hit the bicyclist with his truck. The driver and his drunk passenger then get out of the truck and started a fist fight, which they lost. The truck driver failed a DUI blood test in the hospital. Cyclelicious Bike vs car: The rest of the story
johnny99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 11:59 AM   #12
cccorlew
Erect member since 1953
 
cccorlew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Antioch, CA (SF Bay Area)
Bikes: Roubaix Expert, Motobecane Ti Century Elite turned commuter, Cannondale F500 Mtn bike, Some old French thing gone fixie
Posts: 6,779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
This, ^^^^

Plus, beat up a guy while wearing road shoes? Wow. I know I'm a duck on ice in mine. How drunk were those guys?
I hope we can get decent followups, better than the Chronicle's crappy reporting job.
cccorlew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 04:52 PM   #13
BenRidin
Come on, it'll be fun
 
BenRidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Doing Hard Time in Stocktontucky
Bikes: I have a few
Posts: 706
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
...The driver and his drunk passenger then get out of the truck and started a fist fight, which they lost. The truck driver failed a DUI blood test in the hospital. Cyclelicious Bike vs car: The rest of the story
And THAT'S the rest of the story. Nice one.
BenRidin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 05:38 PM   #14
jmeb 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Denver, CO
Bikes: 1966 Carlton, 197X MKM, 1983 Trek 620, 1995 DBR Axis Ti, 1999 Waterford
Posts: 523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenRidin View Post
And THAT'S the rest of the story. Nice one.
No kidding. Details still lacking.

Unless the cyclist pulled the guy out of his car I tend towards siding with him. He went a bit overboard. But he was also hit, then approached by two drunk dudes.
jmeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 05:41 PM   #15
koolerb
Senior Member
 
koolerb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Giant Defy 1, and some others
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cccorlew View Post
This, ^^^^

Plus, beat up a guy while wearing road shoes? Wow. I know I'm a duck on ice in mine. How drunk were those guys?
I hope we can get decent followups, better than the Chronicle's crappy reporting job.
That's why I'm super agreeable when on my bike. If I ever got in a fight on pavement wearing my Speedplay cleats I'd be close to helpless.
koolerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 05:49 PM   #16
ricebowl
Bourbon junkie
 
ricebowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NorCal
Bikes:
Posts: 713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You could take a cue from the Taiwanese legislature...
Quote:
Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
If I ever got in a fight on pavement wearing my Speedplay cleats I'd be close to helpless.

Last edited by ricebowl; 04-28-14 at 06:09 PM.
ricebowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-14, 09:15 PM   #17
Scooper
Decrepit Member
 
Scooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Francisco California
Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22
Posts: 10,215
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 99 Post(s)
The Chronicle and other press stories immediately following the incident were all apparently written using the Mill Valley P.D. narrative as source material. The narrative conveniently neglected to mention that the pickup driver and his passenger were drunk and assaulted Jeffrey Smock.

Defending oneself when being assaulted by two belligerent drunks is hardly 'road rage'...
__________________
- Stan
I'm with her.
Scooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-14, 12:59 PM   #18
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Bikes:
Posts: 6,849
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
From another forum:

Quote:
I know Jeff Smock - we rode together in Atlanta for a number of years. He's an intense, high-achieving guy, but I saw no indications that he was capable of this type of behavior.

A friend of mine spoke with him and here's his brief report slightly edited for clarity:

The guy hit Smock with his rearview mirror. He didn't stop. Smock chased him down. The guy got out of the car and attacked Smock. There are supposedly witnesses that saw this. Once the guy came out Smock wrestled him to the ground and the guy hit his head. Smock then got a few shots in. Not exactly great reporting.
DiabloScott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-14, 04:25 PM   #19
hack
Senior Member
 
hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Folsom, CA
Bikes:
Posts: 3,191
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
From another forum:

Quote:
I know Jeff Smock - we rode together in Atlanta for a number of years. He's an intense, high-achieving guy, but I saw no indications that he was capable of this type of behavior.

A friend of mine spoke with him and here's his brief report slightly edited for clarity:

The guy hit Smock with his rearview mirror. He didn't stop. Smock chased him down. The guy got out of the car and attacked Smock. There are supposedly witnesses that saw this. Once the guy came out Smock wrestled him to the ground and the guy hit his head. Smock then got a few shots in. Not exactly great reporting.
That sequence there could be problematic.
hack is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:15 PM.