Man it was so beautiful today the wife and I did a short run to Orting and back (13) miles and some change. Ran into Kpug and a companion with his little kid in a trailer. Kelly remember how you said my homemade panniers looked pretty robust? Well I lost the left on just before we go to Mcdonalds. The rivit,actually the leather split. Now I have another idea to use eyelets on the top like I did for the bungee attatchment and use bungee to hook to the top of the rack. Back to the design bench. Oh well they can be salvaged. What did you think about the tandem rack Brian had? What is it anyway? Looks like a lot of work. But hey thats what you do huh. Anyway good seeing you again and thanks for the nice comments about the wifes mixte. I'm riding the Bianchi to work tomorrow I gotta get some seat time on that thing to see if I want to keep it. I'm running some Specialized Armadillos on it and I know some folks don't like them so I might try a set of Panaracer Pasela TG on it and see if that helps.