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As far as Astana goes, I still don't think they have a clue what to do with Aru/Landa. They made a huge mess of the day, and still aren't letting their in-house Froomedawg off the leash. Something tells me Aru is going to slip off the podium anyway, and meanwhile Landa is losing time when he clearly is much stronger.
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Sky are hilarious. They are like US Postal without any of the racing sense. They just put out these freaks who are watt-robots, but they have no race sense or riding skills.
As far as Astana goes, I still don't think they have a clue what to do with Aru/Landa. They made a huge mess of the day, and still aren't letting their in-house Froomedawg off the leash. Something tells me Aru is going to slip off the podium anyway, and meanwhile Landa is losing time when he clearly is much stronger.
As far as Astana goes, I still don't think they have a clue what to do with Aru/Landa. They made a huge mess of the day, and still aren't letting their in-house Froomedawg off the leash. Something tells me Aru is going to slip off the podium anyway, and meanwhile Landa is losing time when he clearly is much stronger.
Contador smashed the ITT (he really could have actually won it)...then a few days later wastes the combined teams of Astana and Katusha trying to drop him after a mechanical delay and completely flips the tables dropping them...then today attacks and drops the rest of the peloton (incl. Astana yet again), and then soft pedals in behind Ryder. And he still has more gas in the tank, and will probably do something similar tomorrow. Last time I saw a spanking this bad was Jan Ullrich vs. Lance.
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Sky seemed to come into this race with a "let's wait & see what happens" attitude. Right off the bat, Astana & Tinkoff were leading things. It's no surprise they are out of the race.
I think Astana are trying to salvage 2&3 on the podium, now.
With that said, conti has been showing he is not just going to win this race. He is going to dominate it. Sending a message to all those who are out prepping for the tour. It's fun to watch!
I think Astana are trying to salvage 2&3 on the podium, now.
With that said, conti has been showing he is not just going to win this race. He is going to dominate it. Sending a message to all those who are out prepping for the tour. It's fun to watch!
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A great stage all around.
1. I agree with Marcus_Ti -- admit to a bit of a chuckle over Team Sky (Is Falling) today. Don't particularly dislike it/them, but don't care much for it/them either.
2. Gilbert: deserved winner. Class cyclist without question; class person from what I've been able to tell from the media over the years.
3. Contador: solidifies his hold on the maglia rosa, and dishes out a little well-deserved payback (for Tuesday) to Astana in the process.
4. Hesjedal: what can I say? I'm Canadian; happy to see him ride well yet again this Giro, and creep up another spot (to 9th) on GC. Worked very well with AC.
1. I agree with Marcus_Ti -- admit to a bit of a chuckle over Team Sky (Is Falling) today. Don't particularly dislike it/them, but don't care much for it/them either.
2. Gilbert: deserved winner. Class cyclist without question; class person from what I've been able to tell from the media over the years.
3. Contador: solidifies his hold on the maglia rosa, and dishes out a little well-deserved payback (for Tuesday) to Astana in the process.
4. Hesjedal: what can I say? I'm Canadian; happy to see him ride well yet again this Giro, and creep up another spot (to 9th) on GC. Worked very well with AC.
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A great stage all around.
1. I agree with Marcus_Ti -- admit to a bit of a chuckle over Team Sky (Is Falling) today. Don't particularly dislike it/them, but don't care much for it/them either.
2. Gilbert: deserved winner. Class cyclist without question; class person from what I've been able to tell from the media over the years.
3. Contador: solidifies his hold on the maglia rosa, and dishes out a little well-deserved payback (for Tuesday) to Astana in the process.
4. Hesjedal: what can I say? I'm Canadian; happy to see him ride well yet again this Giro, and creep up another spot (to 9th) on GC. Worked very well with AC.
1. I agree with Marcus_Ti -- admit to a bit of a chuckle over Team Sky (Is Falling) today. Don't particularly dislike it/them, but don't care much for it/them either.
2. Gilbert: deserved winner. Class cyclist without question; class person from what I've been able to tell from the media over the years.
3. Contador: solidifies his hold on the maglia rosa, and dishes out a little well-deserved payback (for Tuesday) to Astana in the process.
4. Hesjedal: what can I say? I'm Canadian; happy to see him ride well yet again this Giro, and creep up another spot (to 9th) on GC. Worked very well with AC.
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Today's attack was marvelous. Contrador exposes the best team and forces them to answer who is your GC captain. Astana waffles and is clearly still behind Aru for whatever reason. Tomorrow will be a brutal stage and we will see if the Sardinian can be exposed again and if the second best Spaniard on the Giro is let loose to compete. Ryder is showing the world how a champion rides. Beaten down but not caving and simply riding at his best level day after day Inching up the standings even with no hope of winning or a podium. Porte should take notes on his performance. What is going on with Uran? I expected a big burst from him on a climb for the sake of honor but it just seems like this is not his ride this year.
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Really impressed with Ryder. What a fighter. Does Canada proud.
Contador is not only the most successful GC rider of our time, but the classiest too - bold, attacking, full of style. Can you imagine Froome fighting off the massed Astana riders and taking off alone at 42 km? As documented, his performances aren't "alien" like in the "big doping" days, they are impressive in the "less doping" racing world of today.
Astana didn't put all the wood behind Landa because they've given up on P1. They are trying to protect P3.
Contador is not only the most successful GC rider of our time, but the classiest too - bold, attacking, full of style. Can you imagine Froome fighting off the massed Astana riders and taking off alone at 42 km? As documented, his performances aren't "alien" like in the "big doping" days, they are impressive in the "less doping" racing world of today.
Astana didn't put all the wood behind Landa because they've given up on P1. They are trying to protect P3.
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Really impressed with Ryder. What a fighter. Does Canada proud.
Agreed. Keeping pace with Contadore all the way to the finish. Apparently the UCI took note as well. They saw fit to check his bike for a motor.
Hesjedal bike tested for motor: "It?s the most ridiculous thing I?ve ever heard of" - VeloNews.com
Agreed. Keeping pace with Contadore all the way to the finish. Apparently the UCI took note as well. They saw fit to check his bike for a motor.
Hesjedal bike tested for motor: "It?s the most ridiculous thing I?ve ever heard of" - VeloNews.com
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I found this amusing video about Contador's climbing style.
How to climb like Alberto Contador | CyclingTips
How to climb like Alberto Contador | CyclingTips
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Aru attacks and takes the stage and #2 GC place, Ryder second and climbs to #7 GC, Contador rode conservatively to finish with Landa 1:18 down.
GC gaps are 4:37 to Aru #2 , 5:15 to Landa #3 . Amador #4 was dropped but still has a big gap to protect. Ryder has about 1 min to #6 Trofimov, about 1:20 to #5 Konig, I'm rooting for him to winch himself to a top five GC spot. Props to Aru, considering his illness, his youth, and his opponents, he's shown a lot of fight and this has been a very successful Giro for him. Landa will get a nice contract from someone next year.
GC gaps are 4:37 to Aru #2 , 5:15 to Landa #3 . Amador #4 was dropped but still has a big gap to protect. Ryder has about 1 min to #6 Trofimov, about 1:20 to #5 Konig, I'm rooting for him to winch himself to a top five GC spot. Props to Aru, considering his illness, his youth, and his opponents, he's shown a lot of fight and this has been a very successful Giro for him. Landa will get a nice contract from someone next year.
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Again, not meaning to be a hoser homer, but it just kills me how well Ryder has been riding in the latter half of the race. He'd probably be on the podium if he hadn't lost so much time in stage 4. Realistically, nobody is going to beat Contador, of course, but it would have been really cool to see the 2012 winner on the podium. Oh well.
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I bet Hesjedal is wishing the race could be a week longer. He's been outstanding since the TT. Between him and Kruiswijck for Man Of The Match in the 2nd and 3rd week.
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I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but a bit seriously...I think it is interesting to look at the trajectory of Sky in grand tours since they booted the former Rabobank doping doctor off the team staff. They still win lots of smaller early season races and short tours, but since Froome won the tour, they have been a disaster in grand tours. Granted, a lot of their misfortune has come from poor bike handling and lousy team tactics. But they just have not been the overwhelmingly dominant team they were just a couple of years ago.
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I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but a bit seriously...I think it is interesting to look at the trajectory of Sky in grand tours since they booted the former Rabobank doping doctor off the team staff. They still win lots of smaller early season races and short tours, but since Froome won the tour, they have been a disaster in grand tours. Granted, a lot of their misfortune has come from poor bike handling and lousy team tactics. But they just have not been the overwhelmingly dominant team they were just a couple of years ago.
Their performance levels haven't dipped. If Froome was at this Giro, Contador wouldn't have made up a minute on him on the Mortirolo (might've caught him on the descent though).
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I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but a bit seriously...I think it is interesting to look at the trajectory of Sky in grand tours since they booted the former Rabobank doping doctor off the team staff. They still win lots of smaller early season races and short tours, but since Froome won the tour, they have been a disaster in grand tours. Granted, a lot of their misfortune has come from poor bike handling and lousy team tactics. But they just have not been the overwhelmingly dominant team they were just a couple of years ago.
Maybe they were thinking of making this a glorified training cruise? I remember back a few years *everyone* in interviews at the Giro was saying, "I'm training for the TdF" and no one with any kind of palmares was interested in winning it....resulting in lots of little-known folks duking it out that made for some fun racing.
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Yea their heads and hearts just don't seem in it. They have a large enough squad to have an A and B team at different races at once....and the folks at the Giro have been doing a B-grade showing for the most part. I'm not even focusing on the GC (which is often the most boring thing drawn out forever), but all around...they've barely been even noticed at the Giro aside from their screwups.
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Chapeau to Aru. I was starting to think of him along the same line as Andy Schleck. Nope, Aru is gonna be "major good" in another two/three years or so. Hope he puts in some work on his TT skills.
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It must be embarrassing for Contador to run the last half of every stage by himself surrounded by seven Astana riders. For all Tinkoff's jabbering and money spent it looks like his team consists of three riders. How can a world tour team show up with such a group of crap talent?
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IIRC, Oleg said in his "I'm gonna cut Sagan's wages" interview something along the lines that the current Saxo squad wouldn't necessarily all have been his choice. It'd be interesting to know who of the ones he wanted in/out are the ones who are/aren't performing.
They do have riders on the books who can get up and down big mountains, but it seems they only brought Rogers, Kreuziger and Basso to the Giro. And then wore them out defending the maglia rosa even in the first week when they didn't even have it yet.
They do have riders on the books who can get up and down big mountains, but it seems they only brought Rogers, Kreuziger and Basso to the Giro. And then wore them out defending the maglia rosa even in the first week when they didn't even have it yet.
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Tinkov probably brought the B support team to the Giro. As did Sky, Movistar, etc.
The scary thing (unless you're Nibali) is that Astana probably did too.
The scary thing (unless you're Nibali) is that Astana probably did too.
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Dunno about this being an Astana B-team, but they'll definitely bring Fuglsang, Taramae, Westra and Boom to the Tour. Westra and Boom wouldn't have been much use to them at this Giro.
Sky will add Thomas, Roche, and maybe Deignan or Henao, or possibly Stannard depending on how important they think the cobbles stages will be.
Tinkoff will add Majka and maybe Breschel, but Sagan has looked lonely in his races too, so it's not as if they're hiding some uber-domestique at some other event. Going by the Tour of California, Sagan could probably survive some mountain stages longer than Basso or Kreuziger.
Movistar brought nothing to the Giro, and they're probably as surprised as anyone that Amador's going so well. They are all out, 100%, for Quintana to win the Tour, with Valverde et al supporting.
Sky will add Thomas, Roche, and maybe Deignan or Henao, or possibly Stannard depending on how important they think the cobbles stages will be.
Tinkoff will add Majka and maybe Breschel, but Sagan has looked lonely in his races too, so it's not as if they're hiding some uber-domestique at some other event. Going by the Tour of California, Sagan could probably survive some mountain stages longer than Basso or Kreuziger.
Movistar brought nothing to the Giro, and they're probably as surprised as anyone that Amador's going so well. They are all out, 100%, for Quintana to win the Tour, with Valverde et al supporting.
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It must be embarrassing for Contador to run the last half of every stage by himself surrounded by seven Astana riders. For all Tinkoff's jabbering and money spent it looks like his team consists of three riders. How can a world tour team show up with such a group of crap talent?
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Dunno about this being an Astana B-team, but they'll definitely bring Fuglsang, Taramae, Westra and Boom to the Tour. Westra and Boom wouldn't have been much use to them at this Giro.
Sky will add Thomas, Roche, and maybe Deignan or Henao, or possibly Stannard depending on how important they think the cobbles stages will be.
Tinkoff will add Majka and maybe Breschel, but Sagan has looked lonely in his races too, so it's not as if they're hiding some uber-domestique at some other event. Going by the Tour of California, Sagan could probably survive some mountain stages longer than Basso or Kreuziger.
Movistar brought nothing to the Giro, and they're probably as surprised as anyone that Amador's going so well. They are all out, 100%, for Quintana to win the Tour, with Valverde et al supporting.
Sky will add Thomas, Roche, and maybe Deignan or Henao, or possibly Stannard depending on how important they think the cobbles stages will be.
Tinkoff will add Majka and maybe Breschel, but Sagan has looked lonely in his races too, so it's not as if they're hiding some uber-domestique at some other event. Going by the Tour of California, Sagan could probably survive some mountain stages longer than Basso or Kreuziger.
Movistar brought nothing to the Giro, and they're probably as surprised as anyone that Amador's going so well. They are all out, 100%, for Quintana to win the Tour, with Valverde et al supporting.