Who Will Win The Tour De France?
07-20-15, 06:28 PM
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[h=1]Simeoni bullied into line by boss[/h]
Armstrong action disappoints Simeoni
William Fotheringham in Lons-le-Saunier
Friday 23 July 2004 20.31 EDT
Lance Armstrong, showing all the diplomatic skills of a playground bully, stamped his authority on one of the rebels of the peloton, Filippo Simeoni, yesterday.
Armstrong frequently complains he is not universally popular with the public but the afternoon's cameo will have done little to counter the feeling that he regards the Tour as his personal fiefdom.
Pippo's only offence, after all, is that he has taken legal action against Armstrong in his native Italy after the American questioned his testimony against the Texan's trainer Michele Ferrari.
Simeoni rode away from the peloton early in the stage, in pursuit of the day's six-rider breakaway group, and what followed was bizarre. As if to make the point that he has a personal beef with the Italian, Armstrong did not ask his team to chase him but caught up himself and the pair rode across to the leaders.
The peloton slowed as if it, too, could not believe what was going on. It is unprecedented for the maillot jaune to behave in this way, letting a personal matter interfere with the racing. In the little group Armstrong, Simeoni and Vicente Garcia Acosta had an intense discussion before Simeoni dropped back and Armstrong with him.
At the finish the Italian was a bitterly disappointed man. "I made a super effort to get to the escape but Armstrong said the peloton would not let the group remain in front unless I let them go," he explained. "I slowed down out of respect for the other riders there. He shouldn't worry about little riders like me."
Armstrong said simply: "I was just protecting the interests of the peloton." If the common interest of the riders is that whistleblowers in drug trials are ostracised, perhaps he was but it is not a widely expressed sentiment among his fellows.
With Armstrong and Simeoni back in the peloton, normal service was resumed and the escape duly fought out the finish, where Garcia Acosta was narrowly beaten by his fellow Spaniard Juan-Miguel Mercado.
Today the final podium positions will be decided but yesterday showed one thing: Armstrong's urge to dominate the Tour de France again extends as far down as 114th place in the standings, to the smallest fish in the shoal.
Armstrong action disappoints Simeoni
William Fotheringham in Lons-le-Saunier
Friday 23 July 2004 20.31 EDT
Lance Armstrong, showing all the diplomatic skills of a playground bully, stamped his authority on one of the rebels of the peloton, Filippo Simeoni, yesterday.
Armstrong frequently complains he is not universally popular with the public but the afternoon's cameo will have done little to counter the feeling that he regards the Tour as his personal fiefdom.
Pippo's only offence, after all, is that he has taken legal action against Armstrong in his native Italy after the American questioned his testimony against the Texan's trainer Michele Ferrari.
Simeoni rode away from the peloton early in the stage, in pursuit of the day's six-rider breakaway group, and what followed was bizarre. As if to make the point that he has a personal beef with the Italian, Armstrong did not ask his team to chase him but caught up himself and the pair rode across to the leaders.
The peloton slowed as if it, too, could not believe what was going on. It is unprecedented for the maillot jaune to behave in this way, letting a personal matter interfere with the racing. In the little group Armstrong, Simeoni and Vicente Garcia Acosta had an intense discussion before Simeoni dropped back and Armstrong with him.
At the finish the Italian was a bitterly disappointed man. "I made a super effort to get to the escape but Armstrong said the peloton would not let the group remain in front unless I let them go," he explained. "I slowed down out of respect for the other riders there. He shouldn't worry about little riders like me."
Armstrong said simply: "I was just protecting the interests of the peloton." If the common interest of the riders is that whistleblowers in drug trials are ostracised, perhaps he was but it is not a widely expressed sentiment among his fellows.
With Armstrong and Simeoni back in the peloton, normal service was resumed and the escape duly fought out the finish, where Garcia Acosta was narrowly beaten by his fellow Spaniard Juan-Miguel Mercado.
Today the final podium positions will be decided but yesterday showed one thing: Armstrong's urge to dominate the Tour de France again extends as far down as 114th place in the standings, to the smallest fish in the shoal.
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Barguil cut across Bonnet's line and touched wheels. Bonnet went down, then everyone did.
Gallopin in tried to get into the break on the last Pyreneen stage. Sky wouldn't let it go. After they reeled it in (and let a different break go) Froome went to Gallopin and explained he wasn't far enough behind to be allowed into a break.
Sky have their list of guys who they can't allow leave the bunch, and short of a coordinated mass attack by several riders at once, while Sky aren't looking, those guys will not leave the bunch.
Gallopin in tried to get into the break on the last Pyreneen stage. Sky wouldn't let it go. After they reeled it in (and let a different break go) Froome went to Gallopin and explained he wasn't far enough behind to be allowed into a break.
Sky have their list of guys who they can't allow leave the bunch, and short of a coordinated mass attack by several riders at once, while Sky aren't looking, those guys will not leave the bunch.
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More observations -
- MTN Qubeka is having the tour of the century. Good stuff from this team!
- Sorry to say, TJ is just mailing it in now. He'll take 3rd. There is no attack in him, he's just marking moves now.
- Sorry to all the Quintana fans, he's just mailing it in to. No fight in him either.
- Life from Nibali! Didn't mean much in the big picture, but he showed some pride. TJ and Quintana should look at Nibs as the example of a champ.
- Thomas Gerrant is one tough dude. Took a big hit and got up and finished strong. TJ and Quintana should look at Gerrant and emulate his guts.
- Sagan, wow! Met every attack and descended like a billy goat, but in the end, he was on his own. No help, can't get the win. TJ and Quintana should look to Sagan for desire.
- Thought we might see Kristoff and Degenkolb going after it today. Great stage for Van Avermaet, but he quit to have a baby!
- The peloton really took the day off today. 20 minutes back? Wow, it was like watching 2 separate races!
- I love the fast descents. I hope they never get rid of them like Jens would like.
- MTN Qubeka is having the tour of the century. Good stuff from this team!
- Sorry to say, TJ is just mailing it in now. He'll take 3rd. There is no attack in him, he's just marking moves now.
- Sorry to all the Quintana fans, he's just mailing it in to. No fight in him either.
- Life from Nibali! Didn't mean much in the big picture, but he showed some pride. TJ and Quintana should look at Nibs as the example of a champ.
- Thomas Gerrant is one tough dude. Took a big hit and got up and finished strong. TJ and Quintana should look at Gerrant and emulate his guts.
- Sagan, wow! Met every attack and descended like a billy goat, but in the end, he was on his own. No help, can't get the win. TJ and Quintana should look to Sagan for desire.
- Thought we might see Kristoff and Degenkolb going after it today. Great stage for Van Avermaet, but he quit to have a baby!
- The peloton really took the day off today. 20 minutes back? Wow, it was like watching 2 separate races!
- I love the fast descents. I hope they never get rid of them like Jens would like.
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- Agreed on MTN, great Tour for them.
- Never really expected TJ to attack. He can hang on with the top guys, but he cannot beat them. Best he can do is always stay near the front and hope that the others lose time somewhere.
- No point in fighting in stages like this. The potential to make big time gains is not there.
- Good to see Nibali going for it. His Tour is over so he might as well show off doing what he is really good at.
- Good to see Thomas was uninjured.
- Sagan did well, but this is at least the third stage were I see him worrying about who will get on his wheel rather than going for it and it finished with him second again. I think that he could have gone harder on the climb and maybe he could've won, but perhaps he was at his limit.
- Kristoff and Degenkolb are probably not very happy about their performances so far. At least Katusha has Joaquim Rodriguez with two stage wins, but the Giant camp must not be a happy place.
- Definitely a day off. Guess that's why they are called transition stages.
- I love the descents too. Looking forward to Pra Loup, hope Bardet can repeat his Dauphine performance.
- Never really expected TJ to attack. He can hang on with the top guys, but he cannot beat them. Best he can do is always stay near the front and hope that the others lose time somewhere.
- No point in fighting in stages like this. The potential to make big time gains is not there.
- Good to see Nibali going for it. His Tour is over so he might as well show off doing what he is really good at.
- Good to see Thomas was uninjured.
- Sagan did well, but this is at least the third stage were I see him worrying about who will get on his wheel rather than going for it and it finished with him second again. I think that he could have gone harder on the climb and maybe he could've won, but perhaps he was at his limit.
- Kristoff and Degenkolb are probably not very happy about their performances so far. At least Katusha has Joaquim Rodriguez with two stage wins, but the Giant camp must not be a happy place.
- Definitely a day off. Guess that's why they are called transition stages.
- I love the descents too. Looking forward to Pra Loup, hope Bardet can repeat his Dauphine performance.
07-20-15, 08:56 PM
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Warren Barguil - should be thrown out of the race.......before he kills someone. This is his 3rd (at least) incident including the huge crash that took out Fabian Cancellara in yellow. Geraint Thomas is going to feel that - should get an MRI & CAT scan to be safe - in the morning..He's lucky he could ride out of there....He should punch that guy's lights out
Now he comes up with some crazy excuse that TVG bumped his hand off brake - what for 100'?. That descent is single file in most of the turns not Nascar bump & run.
If You are that damn fast (and crazy) pedal past before turns not try to go 3 wide into apex. Then NO Class to even check on Geraint before he rode off.
Now he comes up with some crazy excuse that TVG bumped his hand off brake - what for 100'?. That descent is single file in most of the turns not Nascar bump & run.
If You are that damn fast (and crazy) pedal past before turns not try to go 3 wide into apex. Then NO Class to even check on Geraint before he rode off.
Gotta love G Thomas, interviewed after the stage he's bummed because he lost his shades and they don't make them anymore. Bona fide Hard Man!
How did Sagan let the Lampre rider get that gap? He was riding the entire stage at the head of the race and he obviously really wanted the stage win. He started his attack too late to bring him back. Loved watching him ride that descent though.
07-20-15, 09:48 PM
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I think no question Q and V will attack in the Alps, and AC too. No way they let the tour end without making some all out efforts. I don't think AC cares about 2nd or 3rd or 4th. Q may care, but he's not going to lose 2nd to TvG, rather TvG is likely to lose 3rd to AC.
Q has been able to match Froome, not been able to make any attacks stick, he needs long climbs rather than short steep power climbs, and he needs Froome's lieutenants to be dropped. AC seems to be getting better, but a big question mark still.
For the last couple stages, Q has been conserving energy, he hasn't burned a match in two days.
Q has been able to match Froome, not been able to make any attacks stick, he needs long climbs rather than short steep power climbs, and he needs Froome's lieutenants to be dropped. AC seems to be getting better, but a big question mark still.
For the last couple stages, Q has been conserving energy, he hasn't burned a match in two days.
07-21-15, 12:39 AM
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No point in Quintana trying to attack Froome today. Valverde was tasked to do that in the transition stages, make Sky burn matches trying to cover attacks. Any attack in the last couple of days would have been worth seconds at most. On the Glandon or Alpe D'Huez you can make minutes.
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I'm just hoping Q and/or Contador do something heroic in the Alps. I'm actually OK with the idea of Froome winning, but I'm hoping for some drama.
Sagan has heart, if not luck and maybe not brains.
Sagan has heart, if not luck and maybe not brains.
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He owes him a big apology for sure, but honestly, the last person I want trying to help me climb up a slope is a guy who's a bit short in the upper body strength department who's further handicapped by wearing cycling shoes and cleats when more capable alternatives are right there.
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I recall a similar descent where Jens bought it hard. I was honestly worried that he might have died from it when I saw it happen. Can't say I blame him for his opinion, but I think it's fair to say that he seems to object to fast descents where the road surface tends to liquify on hot days, rather than fast descents, or technical descents in general.
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Sagan was definitely channeling Marc Marquez on that descent.
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Sagan was definitely channeling Marc Marquez on that descent.
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Warren Barguil - should be thrown out of the race.......before he kills someone. This is his 3rd (at least) incident including the huge crash that took out Fabian Cancellara in yellow. Geraint Thomas is going to feel that - should get an MRI & CAT scan to be safe - in the morning..He's lucky he could ride out of there....He should punch that guy's lights out
Now he comes up with some crazy excuse that TVG bumped his hand off brake - what for 100'?. That descent is single file in most of the turns not Nascar bump & run.
If You are that damn fast (and crazy) pedal past before turns not try to go 3 wide into apex. Then NO Class to even check on Geraint before he rode off.
Now he comes up with some crazy excuse that TVG bumped his hand off brake - what for 100'?. That descent is single file in most of the turns not Nascar bump & run.
If You are that damn fast (and crazy) pedal past before turns not try to go 3 wide into apex. Then NO Class to even check on Geraint before he rode off.
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I watched the reply over and over last night, he should absolutely be kicked out, what the hell was he thinking? He was on the wrong side of the road going into the turn, no way he was making it. It looks like Thomas hit the pole with his shoulder and not his head, thankfully. That could have been really bad.
Not saying Barguil wasn't responsible...just providing his excuse.
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I recall a similar descent where Jens bought it hard. I was honestly worried that he might have died from it when I saw it happen. Can't say I blame him for his opinion, but I think it's fair to say that he seems to object to fast descents where the road surface tends to liquify on hot days, rather than fast descents, or technical descents in general.
I watched that crash a few times too but I don't see Barguil making contact with anyone first. And if you look at Thomas' helmet in the interview, you can see he hit his head on the side.
I also don't get why Sagan let the guy get away with a minute ahead before he really reacted. Did he think he could descend so much faster he'd catch him? He's miscalculated every bloody stage this tour!
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I remember that. He was on his face when the camera showed him on the ground. It was scary to see.
I watched that crash a few times too but I don't see Barguil making contact with anyone first. And if you look at Thomas' helmet in the interview, you can see he hit his head on the side.
I also don't get why Sagan let the guy get away with a minute ahead before he really reacted. Did he think he could descend so much faster he'd catch him? He's miscalculated every bloody stage this tour!
I watched that crash a few times too but I don't see Barguil making contact with anyone first. And if you look at Thomas' helmet in the interview, you can see he hit his head on the side.
I also don't get why Sagan let the guy get away with a minute ahead before he really reacted. Did he think he could descend so much faster he'd catch him? He's miscalculated every bloody stage this tour!
Sagan didn't want to let Plaza get that far ahead, but consider the week that Peter has had, and the fact that Plaza is a better climber. If Peter could have kept it any closer going up, he would have.
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I remember that. He was on his face when the camera showed him on the ground. It was scary to see.
I watched that crash a few times too but I don't see Barguil making contact with anyone first. And if you look at Thomas' helmet in the interview, you can see he hit his head on the side.
I also don't get why Sagan let the guy get away with a minute ahead before he really reacted. Did he think he could descend so much faster he'd catch him? He's miscalculated every bloody stage this tour!
I watched that crash a few times too but I don't see Barguil making contact with anyone first. And if you look at Thomas' helmet in the interview, you can see he hit his head on the side.
I also don't get why Sagan let the guy get away with a minute ahead before he really reacted. Did he think he could descend so much faster he'd catch him? He's miscalculated every bloody stage this tour!
07-21-15, 08:39 AM
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Froome might take the yellow jersey, but the highlight of the tour has been Peter Sagan and the MTN team, at least for me.
07-21-15, 08:47 AM
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Sagan looks like he is camera hunting after the stages are over. It doesn't matter who is getting interviewed, Sagan is popping up behind them and getting face time. He seems to be pimping himself out to get on a different team next season.
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Of course Tinkoff is all buddy buddy with him right now though, which is kind of annoying knowing what he was saying about him a couple of months ago.
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Rest day, so while I wait for tomorrow's action I've been reading Matt Seidel's account of how addiction to contemporary literary fiction is wreaking havoc in the Tour:
All the Bikes We Cannot See - The Morning News
Bitter rivals Vincenzo Nibali and Alberto Contador staged an epic battle up the Col du Tourmalet to determine who would pick the next selection for their book club. (Contador, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, over Nibali, Grey.)
“I kept losing my place in my book riding over those stupid bumps.” Nairo Quintana, after being disqualified for taking a detour around the cobblestone sections of Stage 4 to focus on The Girl on the Train.
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It just looks a little rehearsed. That's all.
On the flip side, Sagan's got a long way to go before he reaches Hushovd's status in the TDF.
By the way, I think the GC race is plain boring. I am always rooting for the breaks and the riders that are trying to make something happen.
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The left side of Thomas' head clouted the wooden pole. In the post race interview, that side of his helmet is dented up, both the front part (over his temple) and the back part (behind his ear). Not a bad advertisement for Kask helmets.
Anyone know what model Sky uses?
Edit: it is the Proton. I'm curious to see if that helmet starts selling better now.
Anyone know what model Sky uses?
Edit: it is the Proton. I'm curious to see if that helmet starts selling better now.