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Old 07-15-16, 05:12 PM
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Here's TJ dropping in the standings on his home stretch today, on nbc sports
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Originally Posted by work4bike
Froome is just an animal. He kicked ass in today's TT -- don't forget that he had a tougher wind by the time he started.
This is turning into a dominant performance for Froome. Sure, he could still lose by just having one bad day but this has been great to watch when I can. Good aggressive racing.
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Is it just me or is the official Le tour website an exercise in frustration for anyone else?
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Originally Posted by MrK.
Is it just me or is the official Le tour website an exercise in frustration for anyone else?
I never bother. steephill has everything I need.
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Old 07-16-16, 02:32 PM
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Going in to this year's race, I thought Cavendish was in eclipse and that Kittel's ascendance would be nearly complete, but to my surprise, Cavendish has 4 wins and Kittel just one. But Cavendish's move today was unfair, I think.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
...Cavendish's move today was unfair, I think.
ditto.

Cav had no reason to veer to the right toward Kittel...there was nothing but wide open road straight ahead and to the left.

well, no reason other than to block an opponent...
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I thought it looked like he blocked him too. The commentators played it off. Maybe they didn't want yet another controversy. But he had no reason to sway into his line. The road was open.
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I don't think it mattered where Cav went... Kittel got dropped off too early into the wind and Cav would have beat him if they were side by side... Kittel was already going backwards. I think Kittel made a bit of a show of the swerve
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Originally Posted by DLBroox
I thought it looked like he blocked him too. The commentators played it off. Maybe they didn't want yet another controversy. But he had no reason to sway into his line. The road was open.
Kittel had plenty of room between Cav and the wall for Kittel, he was in no way blocked. He was just upset because he couldn't capitalize on a perfect leadout by his team. He appears considerably slower than a couple of years ago.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Kittel had plenty of room between Cav and the wall for Kittel, he was in no way blocked. He was just upset because he couldn't capitalize on a perfect leadout by his team. He appears considerably slower than a couple of years ago.
If you get to watch it again and slower I believe Kittel had stopped pedeling before Cav moved over in front of him.
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Originally Posted by MrK.
Is it just me or is the official Le tour website an exercise in frustration for anyone else?
Yes, I was looking for individual stage profiles. Couldn't find an obvious link.
Found it on another site.
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Originally Posted by Jakedatc
I don't think it mattered where Cav went... Kittel got dropped off too early into the wind and Cav would have beat him if they were side by side... Kittel was already going backwards. I think Kittel made a bit of a show of the swerve
Yup. Non-issue
Kittel was out of contention at that point anyway.
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Old 07-16-16, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony N.
If you get to watch it again and slower I believe Kittel had stopped pedeling before Cav moved over in front of him.
No, I disagree. He stopped pedaling when Cavendish moved in front of him. Why would he stop pedaling? Even if he was not going to win, there was still a chance of second or 3rd.

It is true, however, that it looks like he had already lost at that point. Cavendish had passed him, and was moving faster than him, and they were very close to the line.

Still, even if it wouldn't have affected the outcome, Cavendish's move was unfair. He should have held his line.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
Still, even if it wouldn't have affected the outcome, Cavendish's move was unfair. He should have held his line.
Cav's line looked OK. Not so sure where Kittel was going. If he'd have stayed paralled to the barriers he wouldn't have run into Cav.

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Cav got it, he's just super strong this year; I hope he doesn't burn himself out for the Olympics. What about Sagan, that dude is always in the mix; he's unbeatable in green.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Cav's line looked OK. Not so sure where Kittel was going. If he'd have stayed paralled to the barriers he wouldn't have run into Cav.

That photo frame doesn't show Cav's sharp move to the right. Watch what he does in the few seconds after that frame

Last Km of Stage 14 (2016/tour-de-france)
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
That photo frame doesn't show Cav's sharp move to the right. Watch what he does in the few seconds after that frame

Last Km of Stage 14 (2016/tour-de-france)
It shows Kittel's unnecessary sharp move to the left.

The point is in the final sprint there's movement by all riders. It's not always a deliberate attempt to block but a consequence of going all out after riding for 5 hrs. Kittel was done so it wouldn't have mattered.

edit: The other point is Kittel had been hugging the barriers. It was only in the last 50 meters or so after Cavendish went by him he tried to move over. I suspect he realized he had lost and was trying to catch a draft from Cav. Cav was well ahead at the point he moved over and likely assumed Kittel was closer to the wall. He certainly wasn't moving over to block Kittel as there was no way Kittel had a second kick.

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Compare this frame



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note that the camera angle doesn't change and you can line up Kittel's position with the two riders behind him.

Cavendish moved suddenly to his right.
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Stage 15 Pantano (IAM) pips Majka

Bad day for Tejay, lost 01.27 on GC group and drops back two places. Other than that no change in top ten.
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Originally Posted by Jakedatc
I don't think it mattered where Cav went... Kittel got dropped off too early into the wind and Cav would have beat him if they were side by side... Kittel was already going backwards. I think Kittel made a bit of a show of the swerve
That looked like a soccer/NBA dive to me, that swerve.
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Quintana...doesn't have the legs huh?
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
note that the camera angle doesn't change and you can line up Kittel's position with the two riders behind him.

Cavendish moved suddenly to his right.
Cav moved right and Kittel moved left. That's racing.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
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note that the camera angle doesn't change and you can line up Kittel's position with the two riders behind him.

Cavendish moved suddenly to his right.
if anyone was boxed it was Sagan and look what he does with no lead out. Kittel had plenty of room and if he were in contention Cav would not be a full bike length ahead and able to make that swerve.
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I'm getting tired of watching Quintana's expressionless face sitting on Froome's wheel. I thought he might start attacking today. He's running out of time

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I'm getting of watching Quintana's expressionless face sitting on Froome's wheel. I thought he might start attacking today. He's running out of time
Valverde tried an attack and for a while I thought it might be a ploy to send him up the road and have Quintana attack and join up with him but it came to nothing and he dropped back into the GC group shortly after.
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