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Old 07-19-05, 12:15 PM   #1
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pronunciation of VINO?

Does anybody know how he pronounces his name?
Vee-know-CUR-ov ?
VEE-Knock-her-off ?
Vee-knock-CURE-ov?

Any Kazahkistanis on this forum?

And why is his kit different from everybody else on T-Mobile?
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Old 07-19-05, 12:20 PM   #2
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Old 07-19-05, 12:22 PM   #3
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VEE-Knock-her-off ?

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Old 07-19-05, 12:50 PM   #4
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His uniform is different because he is the Kazahkistan national champion (someone told me that ) and he has to wear it.
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Old 07-19-05, 01:03 PM   #5
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vin-ahk-OO-rahff (Vinakóúrav)

VIN like WIN, not VEEN like WEEN, but (Veeno) is his anglo/euro nickname.


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Old 07-19-05, 01:25 PM   #6
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A co-worker who spent time in Vino's homeland and speaks the language says it should be pronounced Vee-knock-CURE-ov
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Old 07-19-05, 01:40 PM   #7
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Then your friend speaks with American accent.

And Vino is a Kazakh, not a Kazakhstani

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Old 07-19-05, 02:20 PM   #8
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Thanks for all the clarifications, Red.
I'm not sure why, but your avatar makes me believe that you know what you're talking about.
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Old 07-19-05, 06:07 PM   #9
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vin-ahk-OO-rahff (Vinakóúrav)

VIN like WIN
Is that particular to Kazakhstan? Russian doesn't have that short vowel, I assumed his name was
"Veen..."
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Old 07-19-05, 06:36 PM   #10
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I'm not sure why, but your avatar makes me believe that you know what you're talking about.
and the username
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Old 07-19-05, 07:14 PM   #11
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Is that particular to Kazakhstan? Russian doesn't have that short vowel, I assumed his name was
"Veen..."
You are correct, comrade. I don't think any Slavic language have a distinction between long and short vowel. Pronunciation can vary from region to region, naturally. I would say that pronunciation is somewhere between VIN and VEEN, if that makes sense, but that is one man's opinion. I think Westerners pronounce the vowel sound with too much emphasis, they stretch it out. It should be soft and short vowel sound. We should ask Alexander himself to be really sure.

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Old 07-19-05, 09:15 PM   #12
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Who is our commie friend in red?
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Old 07-19-05, 11:42 PM   #13
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Then your friend speaks with American accent.

And Vino is a Kazakh, not a Kazakhstani

Is the Kazakh language Slavic, related to the Turkik/Mongol language group, or in some other language group?
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Old 07-20-05, 07:29 AM   #14
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Kazakh is a turkic language (like kyrgez and uzbek), tajik is a persian language. Russian is taught in schools from age 6 on. Many in kazakhstan are decendants of relocated Russians and tatars (Stalin)- I think Vino may be one the these ethnically Russian, but family has been in K-stan since the 1930s? Anyone know for sure? Ethnic appearance in Central Asia is crazy complicated, but he doesn't look very kazakh to me.
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Old 07-20-05, 10:28 AM   #15
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Vinokurov is a Russian name...

Re. pronounciation: It is vino- (like in "In Vino Veritas", -kur- (like in "cur-ve) and -ov (like in "off-side")... Although the 'r' in -kur- is a part of the last syllable '-rov' (vi-no-ku-rov)

Re. RED ARMY post above: Some Slavic languages have separate letters for short and long vowels (i.e. in Czech and Slovak, there is a little sign (similar to English language apostrophe) marked directly above a vowel: a' is "aa" (or long 'a' like in father), e' is 'ee', etc. (using apostrophe just for illustration purposes))... Even in Russian you have many cases where the same vowels are pronounced short or long (without being marked by apostrophe), depending on a word and a position of a vowel within the word...

PS: As to how do I know it since I don't have fancy username and avatar proclaiming my loyalties... (RED ARMY ), I can speak, read or write in four Slavic languages: Slovak (my mother tounge), Czech, Polish and Russian.... (German and English too, but I don't think it counts in this discussion... )
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Old 07-20-05, 10:44 AM   #16
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This is becoming interesting linguistic discussion. I thought the 'ou' combination in Vino's name was pronounced like the 'oo' in 'cool', especially since it is stressed syllable. I watched OLN coverage last night, and the 'history' commentator (missed his name) pronounced it like I described.
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Old 07-20-05, 10:54 AM   #17
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RED ARMY, you are right on the 'ou' part... It is pronounced slightly longer because it is a stressed syllable... Thanks for pointing it out (though the 'ou' is not as long as in cool, a bit shorter than that...)
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It's veena-koorov
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Old 07-20-05, 06:12 PM   #21
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Does anybody know how he pronounces his name?

VEE-Knock-her-off ?
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Old 07-20-05, 06:55 PM   #22
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From the forum at alexander-vinokourov.com:

"His name in russian: ????????? ?????????
You have to pronounce it that way: Aleksándr Vinakóúrav"
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Old 07-21-05, 06:23 AM   #23
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From the forum at alexander-vinokourov.com:

"His name in russian: ????????? ?????????
You have to pronounce it that way: Aleksándr Vinakóúrav"

Александр Винокуров. There, no way to mistake it now.
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