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Old 07-21-05, 02:05 AM   #1
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Is there any distance that Ullirch could beat Armstrong at at the moment?

Is there any distance or situation that Ullrich would have an edge?

What about a short climb?

How about a track event like the 4km pursuit or kilo?

In other words, is there any way that Ullrich could beat him?
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Old 07-21-05, 04:22 AM   #2
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Jan would crush LA in the donut line. ;-)
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He can probably out drift him in a Porsche 911 too. Just move the bike racks out of the way first.
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My money is on Jan in a drinking contest every time.
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Lance could show up to the start line 3 hours late.

Seriously, Lance would have to have some sort of catastrophic problem for that to happen.
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If falling off a mountain, I believe Jan might hit bottom first.
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If falling off a mountain, I believe Jan might hit bottom first.
They would both fall at the same rate and hit at precisely the same time. Ullie's aerodynamic disadvantage would be offset by Armstrong's enormous head.

He could take him in the donut line, though.
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This year's 1k Giro d'Italia prologue. I think Jan could put down a little more short-range speed than Lance at that distance. I would ****ing love to see that duel too. Talk about crossing swords.
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Tonight's TT.

Der Jan is gonna cream it.
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They would both fall at the same rate and hit at precisely the same time. Ullie's aerodynamic disadvantage would be offset by Armstrong's enormous head.

He could take him in the donut line, though.

This is very funny!!!
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This year's 1k Giro d'Italia prologue. I think Jan could put down a little more short-range speed than Lance at that distance. I would ****ing love to see that duel too. Talk about crossing swords.
Armstrong has consistantly been better in the short ITTs.
Lost 15 seconds in 6km's last year.
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Maybe in a race through the back window of a team car?

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Maybe in a race through the back window of a team car?


Davis Phinney currently holds the world record for this event......
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Davis Phinney currently holds the world record for this event......
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I Like Jan a lot. Probably has more talent than Armstrong, bit of fun in the off season, do a bit of coke, have a laugh, go for a spin in the old Porsche, and STILL finish top 3 in the Tour.

Just like me..........................except minus the Porsche.........coke..........tour....

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Old 07-23-05, 11:25 AM   #16
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I don't mind the gags at all

but I guess this means there's no serious answer to this question?


in other words, the answer is "no"?

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Maybe in a flat 55 k time trial?
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effort.

well jan just lost
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in other words, the answer is "no"?
Don't discount the fact that this is fully 3 weeks into the Tour, and Armstrong appears to have recovery & physical advantages over most other riders. Put him up against a fully rested Ullie, Rogers, and others in a one-off TT at the Worlds in Sept./Oct., and I would rate Armstrong 'only' an equal favorite for the win.

And of course, if he's lacking in motivaton, then he certainly can be beat... but since we practically only see him at the Tour, motivation has never been an issue.

So my answer is 'yes'; if he raced more not only would he be beaten, he'd be beaten rather frequently- but I doubt by a very large margin, and I don't think any one person would consistently beat him in any discipline.
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Don't discount the fact that this is fully 3 weeks into the Tour, and Armstrong appears to have recovery & physical advantages over most other riders. Put him up against a fully rested Ullie, Rogers, and others in a one-off TT at the Worlds in Sept./Oct., and I would rate Armstrong 'only' an equal favorite for the win.
So Ullrich wasn't fully rested at the start of the Tour this year or last? He must not know how to prepare then.

Ullrich has always shown to recover as good or better than anyone in a grand tour. Notice how almost every year he loses major time early and gains major time late.
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Well, I imagine he'll be able to beat him to the start line next year!

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So Ullrich wasn't fully rested at the start of the Tour this year or last? He must not know how to prepare then.

Ullrich has always shown to recover as good or better than anyone in a grand tour. Notice how almost every year he loses major time early and gains major time late.
Easy there, pardner. You're reading too much into my post. Take it at face value.

And Ullrich does not normally pick up time on Armstrong late- on the contrary, Armstrong usually beats him in the final TT.
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Ullrich can probably beat Armstrong at a 80km TT. But there's no such event.
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Ullrich can probably beat Armstrong at a 80km TT. But there's no such event.

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yeah!! I remember Hinault used to have his Mechanic strip all the grease out of his wheel and crank bearings, and remount the bearings in motor oil for the GPN
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