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Old 08-03-05, 02:20 PM   #1
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So who will be the new Discovery leader?

Do you think that Discovery will try to buy a new leader, or appoint one from inside?

Is Hincapie strong enough to be a Tour contender on his own?
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Old 08-03-05, 02:26 PM   #2
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During the OLN interview with Lance, he stated that another famous and talented cyclist (whom he did not name) said that he thought George would WIN the Tour next year... doesn't mean that he'll be the team leader but interesting nonetheless.
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Old 08-03-05, 03:54 PM   #3
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Is Hincapie strong enough to be a Tour contender on his own?
No, no and no.
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Old 08-03-05, 04:03 PM   #4
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Is Hincapie strong enough to be a Tour contender on his own?
Not without a serious amount of help from his team.
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Old 08-03-05, 04:30 PM   #5
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What he said.
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Old 08-03-05, 06:42 PM   #6
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No, no and no.
ditto!

I thought they (discovery) were grooming Popovich as the next big thing.
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Old 08-03-05, 11:17 PM   #7
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ditto!

I thought they (discovery) were grooming Popovich as the next big thing.
This is correct.
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True but I doubt anyone believes that Popo will be ready to be the team leader next year. He is a couple of years out.
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I met Hincapie at our local MS150 ride a few weeks back. I told him I emailed Discovery channel to tell Johan the team better ride for him next year at the tour. He smiled the biggest smile I saw that day and told me, 'that would be nice'. It's grassroots support that will do it!!!!!! Come on peeps!
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Old 08-18-05, 05:46 PM   #10
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They need to throw everything behind Tom Danielson. It needs to be an American on an American team. George would be the sentimental favorite, but his age is a factor. I'm not saying I think Danielson can win it next year, but he needs to be groomed ASAP.
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They need to throw everything behind Tom Danielson. It needs to be an American on an American team. George would be the sentimental favorite, but his age is a factor. I'm not saying I think Danielson can win it next year, but he needs to be groomed ASAP.
Thats an interesting angle... There is more buzz about Popo than TD though.. Leads you to suspect that TD isnt in the big picture yet...I think they might support Savoldelli...
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Old 08-18-05, 10:27 PM   #12
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George for the one day spring classics. Popo and Savodelli for at least one grand tour each. Would be nice to see them run TD for another grand tour (not sure he's ready though).


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They need to throw everything behind Tom Danielson. It needs to be an American on an American team. George would be the sentimental favorite, but his age is a factor. I'm not saying I think Danielson can win it next year, but he needs to be groomed ASAP.

So Should the teams of Levi and Floyd not support these guys as they are not the "right" Nationality for the team. Leadership should be earned. An American on the podeum would be great but not requiered.
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I'd support Levi and Floyd or Bobby J or Zabriski on their teams before I'd support Popo leading Discovery. I'm sure most Germans support Ullrich and it makes is extra nice he's riding for a German team. The Italians support Basso.
It's a matter of personal preference. And me personally, I want to see an American leading and American team.
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Old 08-19-05, 04:47 AM   #14
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Merckx mentioned the winner of the Tour needs to be a "killer."

george n'est pas un tueur
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I never thought of Hincapie winning the Tour....but some things he did in the 2005 Tour sure did get my attention.

David Z can't win as long as he rides with Basso.

I hope an American wins for the next 5 years. Boy would the French hate that!
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Old 08-30-05, 07:26 PM   #16
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DAve Z is great, but he's no team leader.CSC has not resigned Basso yet, he could go to Discovery, although latest rumors are also that Discovery channel is trying to get out of sponsorship contracts, thye got surprised by Armstrong's retirement.
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Was always gonna happen.

In the US, bike racing IS (or rather, was) Lance Armstrong.

No Lance = no media = no return for sponsorship $$$ = bad business decision to keep the team going.

Americans love a winner, not little sports played out 1000's of km away by foreigners.
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dirty foreigners.

Frankly, I think Europeans could care less about US involvement or interest in cycling.
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Frankly, I think Europeans could care less about US involvement or interest in cycling.

Correct.

Akin to their interest in F1.
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DAve Z is great, but he's no team leader.CSC has not resigned Basso yet, he could go to Discovery, although latest rumors are also that Discovery channel is trying to get out of sponsorship contracts, thye got surprised by Armstrong's retirement.

wow. you must be some cycling fan. And your 'latest rumors' are REALLY REALLY Late. Riis resigned Basso a few days after CSC committed long term to the team.

If Disco-Lance wants Basso, he'll be waiting until 2007.

Big George wins ONE stage, ONE! Singular. Uno. Not two. and he is then a GC man in a grand tour

2006 Toor Day France:

Basso v. Ullrich

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2006 Toor Day France:

Basso v. Ullrich

news at eleven.
Or Basso v. Vino v. Ullrich
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Or Basso v. Vino v. Ullrich
don't think so. Vino might be TOO insane. I love the guy for it. the one rider willing to fling himself off the front just to see what happens. But its exactly that (burning too much energy) which will keep him from the Basso v. Ullrich main event.

He'll slug it out for top 5 IMO.
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If Hincapie led Discovery, he'd have to forgo the Spring Classics such as Flanders and Liege-Bastogne-Liege, according to Lance.

Since Popo needs a year or two to develop further (or so I've heard), giving Hincapie the chance to lead Discovery would be a well-deserved reward for his loyal service.
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I think Basso has the next tour, and I think Lance thought so as well since he was trying to sign him this year. I would loveto see big George come through but, I think he is better off as a supporter. Remeber stage 15, he was a 1000 meters away from winning and kept looking to see if Lance was coming. He doesn't have the killer instinct. He won the stage but it was really a joke since he never pulled on the break away.
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I agree. George is a talented, awesome rider, but winning a stage by sitting on a wheel (which I'm sure was tough enough as it was) does not make someone a grand tour GC contender. Last I heard, Discovery was looking at keeping George protected during the Tour so he could focus on stage wins, which is a great plan. He'd be remembered more for winning a couple of stages than for working his butt off and finishing in the lower part of the top 10 overall. I think that Popovich, Savoldelli, or Danielson would be much better contenders for the GC.
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