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Old 07-21-06, 11:49 AM   #26
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I imagine the email went something like this:


I would imagine that the team management is in france right about now,
so an email almost makes sense. Doesn't make it any easier but it's
a thought.
It will be interesting to see exactly what the evidence is that pushed them
to the final decision, but given jan was probably going to retire this isn't
exactly shocking.

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lol omg!
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Maybe Jan should call up the Liion King and see about starting a joint venture with him. Being the two most publicized cyclists in Europe for the past 10 years, you'd think it wouldn't be hard for them to turn their names to gold.
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Old 07-21-06, 12:03 PM   #28
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Excuse me but umm.....I dunno how it is in europe but shouldn't there still be due process in progress? I mean hes been implicated but not convicted of anything yet right? Yet they go and fire their star rider of 10 years.....by fax no less?
.......thats just not right!
I doubt that guilt or innocence has anything to do with it. Most people in the public eye have language in their contracts that allow the contracts to be voided if the person brings discredit to the employer or sponsors. He certainly did that. Whether he doped or not is another issue. I can't imagine what other reason he had for going to a Spanish doctor known for supplying these things when the team has competent medical support.

Since his contract was terminated based on a legal clause in the contract, having it communicated by a lawyer makes sense to me.

I give the UIC and the cycling teams credit for going after doping in a serious way. I wish Major League Baseball would do the same thing. Personally, I still think Roger Maris owns the "real" home run record. Who needs to have these sports sullied by cheaters. To me Ullrich is a cheater. His cycling accomplishements are meaningless to me for that reason. I won't miss him and I won't defend him. T Mobile did the right thing in the right way.
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Marty, you forgot to add the part where they're able to enjoy the Croissants because he's not around to eat them all before anyone else gets any. I still like the alternative text message version. "Jan, U r axed"
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I imagine the email went something like this:


I would imagine that the team management is in france right about now,
so an email almost makes sense. Doesn't make it any easier but it's
a thought.
It will be interesting to see exactly what the evidence is that pushed them
to the final decision, but given jan was probably going to retire this isn't
exactly shocking.

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Might not be anything massive yet. They don't want the team to be completely dismantled and sponsors running. Ask Vinnie.
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Old 07-21-06, 01:28 PM   #31
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i guess you can say ullrich got.........


DAS BOOT!



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Old 07-21-06, 01:33 PM   #32
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Maybe Jan should call up the Liion King and see about starting a joint venture with him. Being the two most publicized cyclists in Europe for the past 10 years, you'd think it wouldn't be hard for them to turn their names to gold.

now why would cipo align himself with a dope cheat when he's already a major celebrity?

and soon ullrich will be FFL (fat for life) .

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Old 07-21-06, 01:35 PM   #33
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i guess you can say ullrich got.........


DAS BOOT!



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Uh, that's German for "The Boat."

But he may have gotten one...

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Uh, that's German for "The Boat."

But he may have gotten one...

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oh really ?

i have always wondered why they would call a u-boat a boot .

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Getting fired by T Mobile is irrelevant. If Uhllirch can't beat the Operation Puerto allegation, his career is over. (particularly considering a 4 year ban from the Pro Tour) If he does beat it, he can find many teams to give him a contract.
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T-Mobile Press release - Sevilla alos sacked

Press release from the T-Mobile Website

Sevilla also sacked!

21.07.2006/ The Olaf Ludwig Cycling GmbH (OLC) has terminated, in exceptional circumstances and with immediate effect, the contracts of professional cyclists Jan Ullrich (32/Germany) and Oscar Sevilla (29/Spain). T-Mobile International AG have also set in motion a process, which would make any letter of intent regarding Jan Ullrich’s post-racing career non-binding.

In late June Spanish investigators submitted a document that provided clear evidence that Jan Ullrich und Oscar Sevilla had tried to boost their performance through the use of banned substances. Directly after their subsequent suspension, Ullrich and Sevilla declared their intent to prove their innocence. However, right up until the time their contracts were terminated by T-Mobile and the OLC, neither had brought forward any information to exonerate themselves.

„As Jan Ullrich and Oscar Sevilla didn’t make any moves to prove their innocence, terminating their contracts was the logical and necessary follow-up to their suspension,“ says Olaf Ludwig, T-Mobile Team manager. „We are all disappointed that we had to take this course of action. However, based on the information available, no other decision was open to us“, says Christian Frommert, director of Sports communication for T-Mobile International.

In early 2004 T-Mobile International agreed to pursue a working relationship with Jan Ullrich for the period after the 1997 Tour winner’s retirement from active bike racing. However, through the exceptional and immediate termination of Ulrich’s contract, which was set to run until the end of 2006, T-Mobile International also now distances itself from this agreement.

„We respect Jan Ullrich’s view, in a constitutional state he, the same as everyone else, is presumed innocent until there exists proof to the contrary,“ says Frommert. „But sport, and cycling in particular, places certain ethical, moral and contractual obligations on the riders “ For this reason we believe it was necessary for Ullrich to actively cooperate with us to prove his innocence, adds Olaf Ludwig.


Spanish investigators uncovered in May a Madrid-based doping network, which led to the arrest of sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes among others. Evidence uncovered in house raids, intercepted telephone calls and SMS records have clearly pointed towards the involvement of Jan Ullrich, Oscar Sevilla and Rudy Pevenage in the doping scandal. Pevenage, the former T-Mobile Team sporting director and long time mentor to Jan Ullrich already had his contract terminated by OLC in early July.
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Das Boot,

too funny!
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oh really ?

i have always wondered why they would call a u-boat a boot .

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Man, he's not even proven guilty and the fat Jan jokes start flying. Sad.

I only wonder if Floyd will receive this treatment if he's found to be a doper. After all, he did recover a bit too quickly from that awful day, didn't he?
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Man, he's not even proven guilty and the fat Jan jokes start flying. Sad.

I only wonder if Floyd will receive this treatment if he's found to be a doper. After all, he did recover a bit too quickly from that awful day, didn't he?

yep. i think they all dope at that level. if they are stupid enough to get busted they won't be spared my wrath .

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not doping and being responsible to your sponsors and team are the honorable things to do.

ullrich got what he deserved. fuggem.
Ditto
I say he's lucky they sent him a fax and not a summons to court for fraud.
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Man, he's not even proven guilty and the fat Jan jokes start flying. Sad.

I only wonder if Floyd will receive this treatment if he's found to be a doper. After all, he did recover a bit too quickly from that awful day, didn't he?

The guy is a mennonite, theres no way he's doping. He's the honest abe of the peleton.
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The guy is a mennonite, theres no way he's doping. He's the honest abe of the peleton.

. . .or at least he understands the wages-of-sin.
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Pretty dumb to go on about getting a fax instead of what? a letter with a wax seal on a tear-stained envelope. The guy would want to hear it first before the rags went to press with the scoop. If he's got a contract, the notice requirements will be spelled out there very well. As if how you're notified is the issue anyway. It's not like Ulrich has a 9-5 job and ever expected to be called into HR on Monday.

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Pretty dumb to go on about getting a fax instead of what? a letter with a wax seal on a tear-stained envelope. The guy would want to hear it first before the rags went to press with the scoop.

If he's got a contract, the notice requirements will be spelled out there very well. As if how you're notified is the issue anyway.

It's not like Ulrich has a 9-5 job and expected to be called into HR on Monday. Ulrich's fans spit on Lance in '04 but Ulrich is a great sportsman. I hope he can somehow come back to the sport but it sure seems like this year was his best shot at the Tour.
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the fact that many of you see T-Mobile as an innocent victim of Jan's doping is completely laughable. they ****ing knew, now they cover their ass.
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