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Old 07-23-06, 04:52 PM   #1
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Lance says Team Discovery wants to sign Landis

Amazing what winning a few races will do for a person

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Lame, of course he wants him now. Sounds like Floyd is happy with the team he is with.
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I still stay loyal to Hincapie. Just a bad couple weeks after a very bad spring.
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Landis should stay at Phonak and give Discovery the finger...
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I thought they wanted him last year.

I think I'd lose a little respect for Landis if he signed with discovery anyway....
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Landis should stay at Phonak and give Discovery the finger...
I know I sound like a homer, as a Disco fan but Landis should consider this, his team stunk and if a TTT is in next year's tour I would rather be on Disco, if Phonak(iShare) take back Hamilton as his first lieutenant to Phloyd, he might consider staying. iShares needs a better team, because next year Phloyd will be considered the biggest threat and will be attacked.
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Trek has input on these matters as well. Trek wants a representative for their market brand. They want 1) An American 2) A GC contender. Floyd Landis meets both requirements.

FL is building bridges that Armstrong never built. The French have warmed up to FL. Eddy Merckx loves the guy.
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I don't know much about why Floyd left the USPS/Discovery team, as I am new to following cycling. My understanding is that Floyd wanted a chance to develop on his own, out of Lance's shadow. He did that, and then went on to win the TdF. Lance saw some potential in Floyd, and would have liked to have him on the team already. Now with Lance retired and part owner of the team, he definately wants Floyd. It's like any pro sport, an organization with a history of winning wants to continue to do so right away, not groom talent for a few years before returning to glory.

I think it is funny that they want to sign Floyd, but aren't sure about his hip yet. Wouldn't they want to know more about his health before announcing that they would like to sign him? Want does that say to Hincapie and the rest of the Disco team? How will they react to this? The whole thing is just silly to me, but I guess that such silliness is partly why I am a fan of pro sports.

Does this mean that Team Discovery is becoming the team fans love to root against? Is Steinbrenner preparing to buy a portion of them?

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I don't know much about why Floyd left the USPS/Discovery team, as I am new to following cycling. My understanding is that Floyd wanted a chance to develop on his own, out of Lance's shadow.
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This is true, and Tyler Hamilton left for the same reason: to see what heights he could scale on his own and never wonder, "What if..."

Landis said a year ago that he felt less pressure at a team leader at Phonak than he did at Postal; to paraphrase, anything short of a Tour de France win would be a failure for the Postal team, whereas at Phonak, he was just expected to lead the team as best he could.
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Thanks, Novara Buzz! That makes alot of sense to me, and seems to fit in with my basic understanding of TdF cycling and team dynamics. I love sports! They are like soap operas, reality tv, and religion all rolled into one!

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FL is building bridges that Armstrong never built.... Eddy Merckx loves the guy.
I was under the impression that Eddy and Lance are best friends. There's a picture in "It's Not About The Bike" of Eddy visiting Lance in his hospital room.
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I thought it was LeMond who didn't like LA, not Merckx. I seem to recall that Lance has called Eddy the best rider ever to under the sun for all time, or some such.
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Amazing what winning a few races will do for a person
As noted, he was pursued by Disco before this season.

I wouldn't fault him for going to Disco or staying with Phonak. As a hometown guy, I guess I'd prefer to see him on Disco, heavens knows he'd have a better team around him. But I understand the loyalty and freedom he experienced with Phonak (I-shares), so whatever makes him happy.
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he's going to have a lot of offers from the all the big budget teams. more power to him. i don't have a preference where he rides. he's got a lot of advisors on this end and i'm sure he'll make a fine choice. it's a business decision.

on the hip thing, there will be a part of the contract that's contigent on his health so it really doesn't come into play unless he's not up to form because of the operation.
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Amazing what winning a few races will do for a person

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf200...ory?id=2527718

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Phonak riders extend contracts...including Landis:

http://www.phonak-cycling.ch/index.php?id=5&L=1&uid=307

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Maybe he wanted to ride more than one race a year too.




j/k, but he said in an interview he wasn't happy with the role he was playing and Discovery's lack of effort to sweeten his contract. A friend of mine is a friend of Ventura's, and one day, I went over and talked to Ventura when I was hanging with my friend. Robbie told us that Landis just wanted a team where he would be able to lead, and he felt that he had more potential and would be happier with Phonak.

If you ride with Discovery, your focus is probably only on the Tour anyway- and if you want to ride several races, I get the feeling that would be frowned upon. I'm sure they want to train one guy "Lance style", but not everyone wants to live and die by that agenda.

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Landis should stay at Phonak and give Discovery the finger...
Landis left the first time by his own decision, he wasn't sacked. Publicly it sounds like he and Armstrong are trying to mend fences.
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ditto

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Just like any professional athlete, could you blame Flandis if Disco held out more $ and he jumped ship. Remember, this very well may be his last contract at his age and the questionable hip in his future, well I say take the money and run. Personally I would like it as I think he would have a better chance of repeating again.
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I guess Floyd has opted for Phonak. Good for him. This is the team that brought him success; and, flaws or not, he should be praised for his loyalty. I'm sure Phonak/iShares has payed him a princely sum. He deserves it.

I do hope that they are thinking of actively pursuing at least one reliable billy-goat/lieutenant for him though. Merckx was heroic in his efforts, and will be valuable next season; but I do feel that Landis requires someone really reliable to pace him to the foot of the final climb.

They will need to add at least one more solid TT rider as well. Cancellara must be miffed at being left out of the Tour roster for CSC. I feel he may jump ship, especially after being snubbed following an incredibly impressive Roubaix. His omission proved a bad move by Riis, as he could have used at least one stage win in the TT's this year. Zabriskie also fell short there, although he was game. Zabriskie would also be an excellent fit for iShares, given Dave's friendship with Floyd. I am wondering about Riis' grasp on his riders given the Puerto affair.

It's a very interesting year, with Discovery, CSC, and T-Mobile (the three powerhouses) basically left looking for a winning GC rider. Sastre and Kloden do not fit the bill. I think it's a sure bet that Evans will land on one of these teams, given his obvious displeasure with the composition of DL's Tour squad. What of Astana? It is possible also that Vino could end up on one of these teams. Puerto really has to sort that out yet.

Should be an interesting off season, as far as signings go.
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Knowing Disco's luck, Floyd would get his new hip and be slow for the couple of years. Then he'd leave for another team and win his 2nd tour.
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Should be an interesting off season, as far as signings go.
Ahh, the silly season, one more reason I love to follow pro sports!

I don't think it matters to me who Landis, or Hincapie, or Ullrich rides for next year, if at all. I trully enjoyed following this years tour, and I hop next year comes close to the excitment this one provided. With that said, I am begining to draw parralells between cycling and other sports, and begining to learn how it works, at least on this level. Not much, but a begining. I am glad to hear that Landis resinged with Phonak/i-shares, just because of the loyalty factor. I would say I can't wait for next years tour, but I have alot to learn about pro cycling between now and then, so I am grateful for the time.

All in all, it was a very exciting few weeks, as I began to pay attention to cyling for the first time, and it will only get more engrossing from herer for me.

But I still think the Yankees and Team Discovery have something in common.

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A busy server wiped out my previous attempt so let me try again.

Floyd is signed for another year.

Basso and or Ullrich if they escape unscathed will be huge free agents but that's a HUGE if.

The most interesting gossip I heard is that Cunego is not real happy with Lampre.

Now THAT would be a signing.

Trek would get over it or some other maker will be happy to step in.

Cunego with a huge future in front of him riding for Disco is definitely interesting though it does draw parallels to the Yankees buying everything as boog has pointed out.

Of course this is all conjecture....

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Publicly it sounds like he and Armstrong are trying to mend fences.
Funny now that Landis is the next big thing, Armstrong is trying to buddy up to him and claim the feud was overstated by the media.
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People leave teams before their contracts are up all the time don't they? They just have to buy them out. Not that I'm saying that Floyd will do that having just signed a 1 year deal, I'm just saying we really won't know who's going to go where until the smoke settles and next season is under way.

I too applaud Floyd for extending with Phonak (iShares) but they need to do something to protect him a little better. I understand what Floyd was talking about regarding what we don't see from the teams doing the work in the peloton. But I also know what we don't see Phonak doing for Floyd in the mountain stages. Of course, this was a weird Tour and you didn't see a whole lot of teams supporting their riders well in the mountains. Rabobank did a bang up job early, but Menchov just didn't have it to finish it off. T-Mobile seemed to be well positioned to help in the Mountains, but they kind of flubbed it as usual.
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